Red Arrows “Scandal”?
Discussion
S600BSB said:
Alex Z said:
GliderRider said:
MarkwG said:
Simpo Two said:
So now they just need nine ace aerobatic pilots who are also 100% politically correct. How many fighter pilots does the RAF have to choose from?
What's "politically correct" got to do with it? Not behaving in a manner unbecoming was good enough for the previous crews.aeropilot said:
Tony1963 said:
Geneve said:
And the BBC makes it even worse. 
Acrobatics? Really?
I disagree with “acrobatics” being acceptable.
From Wikipedia:
“Acrobatics (from Ancient Greek ἀκροβατέω (akrobatéō) 'walk on tiptoe, strut')[1] is the performance of human feats of balance, agility, and motor coordination. Acrobatic skills are used in performing arts, sporting events, and martial arts.”
If a pilot came up to me at work and told me he was off to do some acrobatics, I would never in a month of Sundays think that he was going anywhere except down the gym!
From Wikipedia:
“Acrobatics (from Ancient Greek ἀκροβατέω (akrobatéō) 'walk on tiptoe, strut')[1] is the performance of human feats of balance, agility, and motor coordination. Acrobatic skills are used in performing arts, sporting events, and martial arts.”
If a pilot came up to me at work and told me he was off to do some acrobatics, I would never in a month of Sundays think that he was going anywhere except down the gym!
Tony1963 said:
I disagree with “acrobatics” being acceptable.
From Wikipedia:
“Acrobatics (from Ancient Greek ????????? (akrobaté?) 'walk on tiptoe, strut')[1] is the performance of human feats of balance, agility, and motor coordination. Acrobatic skills are used in performing arts, sporting events, and martial arts.”
If a pilot came up to me at work and told me he was off to do some acrobatics, I would never in a month of Sundays think that he was going anywhere except down the gym!
I'll withdraw my earlier question. Unless prefixed with 'aerial', 'acrobatics' is misleading.From Wikipedia:
“Acrobatics (from Ancient Greek ????????? (akrobaté?) 'walk on tiptoe, strut')[1] is the performance of human feats of balance, agility, and motor coordination. Acrobatic skills are used in performing arts, sporting events, and martial arts.”
If a pilot came up to me at work and told me he was off to do some acrobatics, I would never in a month of Sundays think that he was going anywhere except down the gym!
(I mistakenly assumed the meaning was clear in the context of the article..)
SpudLink said:
I'll withdraw my earlier question. Unless prefixed with 'aerial', 'acrobatics' is misleading.
(I mistakenly assumed the meaning was clear in the context of the article..)
In the other hand, I’ve been in aviation since the late 70s, so I’m probably not the best person to ask! Too set in my/our ways (I mistakenly assumed the meaning was clear in the context of the article..)
SpudLink said:
I'll withdraw my earlier question. Unless prefixed with 'aerial', 'acrobatics' is misleading.
(I mistakenly assumed the meaning was clear in the context of the article..)
I wouldn't worry, it's a fair question: it's easy for specialists & industry experts to imagine something is self evident, when it is to them, but not to others. (I mistakenly assumed the meaning was clear in the context of the article..)
SpudLink said:
Tony1963 said:
I disagree with “acrobatics” being acceptable.
From Wikipedia:
“Acrobatics (from Ancient Greek ????????? (akrobaté?) 'walk on tiptoe, strut')[1] is the performance of human feats of balance, agility, and motor coordination. Acrobatic skills are used in performing arts, sporting events, and martial arts.”
If a pilot came up to me at work and told me he was off to do some acrobatics, I would never in a month of Sundays think that he was going anywhere except down the gym!
I'll withdraw my earlier question. Unless prefixed with 'aerial', 'acrobatics' is misleading.From Wikipedia:
“Acrobatics (from Ancient Greek ????????? (akrobaté?) 'walk on tiptoe, strut')[1] is the performance of human feats of balance, agility, and motor coordination. Acrobatic skills are used in performing arts, sporting events, and martial arts.”
If a pilot came up to me at work and told me he was off to do some acrobatics, I would never in a month of Sundays think that he was going anywhere except down the gym!
(I mistakenly assumed the meaning was clear in the context of the article..)
Eric Mc said:
SpudLink said:
Tony1963 said:
I disagree with “acrobatics” being acceptable.
From Wikipedia:
“Acrobatics (from Ancient Greek ????????? (akrobaté?) 'walk on tiptoe, strut')[1] is the performance of human feats of balance, agility, and motor coordination. Acrobatic skills are used in performing arts, sporting events, and martial arts.”
If a pilot came up to me at work and told me he was off to do some acrobatics, I would never in a month of Sundays think that he was going anywhere except down the gym!
I'll withdraw my earlier question. Unless prefixed with 'aerial', 'acrobatics' is misleading.From Wikipedia:
“Acrobatics (from Ancient Greek ????????? (akrobaté?) 'walk on tiptoe, strut')[1] is the performance of human feats of balance, agility, and motor coordination. Acrobatic skills are used in performing arts, sporting events, and martial arts.”
If a pilot came up to me at work and told me he was off to do some acrobatics, I would never in a month of Sundays think that he was going anywhere except down the gym!
(I mistakenly assumed the meaning was clear in the context of the article..)
To be honest they have a reputation among local people.
I guess you will always get this with elite groups, but my father had a few dealings with them and found them to be depressingly arrogant and out of touch with the world. But if that keeps them good at what they do I guess that i what forces life at the top level is.
Hence why I would have lasted about 5 minutes
I guess you will always get this with elite groups, but my father had a few dealings with them and found them to be depressingly arrogant and out of touch with the world. But if that keeps them good at what they do I guess that i what forces life at the top level is.
Hence why I would have lasted about 5 minutes
flatlandsman said:
To be honest they have a reputation among local people.
I guess you will always get this with elite groups, but my father had a few dealings with them and found them to be depressingly arrogant and out of touch with the world. But if that keeps them good at what they do I guess that i what forces life at the top level is.
Hence why I would have lasted about 5 minutes
Was just a fad.I guess you will always get this with elite groups, but my father had a few dealings with them and found them to be depressingly arrogant and out of touch with the world. But if that keeps them good at what they do I guess that i what forces life at the top level is.
Hence why I would have lasted about 5 minutes
flatlandsman said:
To be honest they have a reputation among local people.
I guess you will always get this with elite groups, but my father had a few dealings with them and found them to be depressingly arrogant and out of touch with the world. But if that keeps them good at what they do I guess that i what forces life at the top level is.
Hence why I would have lasted about 5 minutes
They’re not necessarily the best. They just aspired to be part of it. There’s a difference. I guess you will always get this with elite groups, but my father had a few dealings with them and found them to be depressingly arrogant and out of touch with the world. But if that keeps them good at what they do I guess that i what forces life at the top level is.
Hence why I would have lasted about 5 minutes
Link below is to the Military Aviation Authority (MAA) Regulatory Article (RA) on display flying, these regulations are derived along with the CAA and closely match the CAA regulation on display flying.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
See para 2 (Definitions) - Aerobatic Manoeuvres
I knew spending a good portion of my working life reading the MAA regulations would come in handy some day.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
See para 2 (Definitions) - Aerobatic Manoeuvres
I knew spending a good portion of my working life reading the MAA regulations would come in handy some day.
flatlandsman said:
To be honest they have a reputation among local people.
I guess you will always get this with elite groups, but my father had a few dealings with them and found them to be depressingly arrogant and out of touch with the world. But if that keeps them good at what they do I guess that i what forces life at the top level is.
Hence why I would have lasted about 5 minutes
My regular contact with them was in the 80's, and there didn't seem to be any airs or graces. I knew a lot of the ground crew from my time on Hawks and quite a few of the aircrew were ex instructors on Hawks.I guess you will always get this with elite groups, but my father had a few dealings with them and found them to be depressingly arrogant and out of touch with the world. But if that keeps them good at what they do I guess that i what forces life at the top level is.
Hence why I would have lasted about 5 minutes
To be fair, there were very few female ground crew, and even fewer, if any, aircrew in those days. During my few times socialising with them at air shows or on station, they behaved the same as everyone else, and in a manner consistent with the time.
eccles said:
My regular contact with them was in the 80's, and there didn't seem to be any airs or graces. I knew a lot of the ground crew from my time on Hawks and quite a few of the aircrew were ex instructors on Hawks.
To be fair, there were very few female ground crew, and even fewer, if any, aircrew in those days. During my few times socialising with them at air shows or on station, they behaved the same as everyone else, and in a manner consistent with the time.
Like a lot of small close-knit groups, it only takes one or two influencers to set the standards for behaviour, and the rest will follow. Hence why I think the major criticism was for the senior officers - they should know better and set the standards for everyone else.To be fair, there were very few female ground crew, and even fewer, if any, aircrew in those days. During my few times socialising with them at air shows or on station, they behaved the same as everyone else, and in a manner consistent with the time.
I am merely passing on what one or two people have told me who have met a few individuals over the years, my father was a copper in the area, and I have alsom from living there for 30 years picked up a few stories along they way. People will obviously only really recall bad stuff, but either way not great some of it. but you could say the same of any group, especially of people who are told they are brilliant for most of their time!
They do a fabulous job, but if it were me I would pay to watch the Blue Angels over them every time! Sorry
They do a fabulous job, but if it were me I would pay to watch the Blue Angels over them every time! Sorry
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