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Simpo Two said:
The flames are impressive but would give your enemy an excellent point to aim at after dark. Wouldn't they use flashless charges in wartime?
When you're hurling a 1 ton projectile 20+ miles you need a big explosion. I'm not sure there is anything you can do to hide the flame. There is nothing stealthy about a battleship broadside 
98elise said:
Simpo Two said:
The flames are impressive but would give your enemy an excellent point to aim at after dark. Wouldn't they use flashless charges in wartime?
When you're hurling a 1 ton projectile 20+ miles you need a big explosion. I'm not sure there is anything you can do to hide the flame. There is nothing stealthy about a battleship broadside 
98elise said:
When you're hurling a 1 ton projectile 20+ miles you need a big explosion. I'm not sure there is anything you can do to hide the flame. There is nothing stealthy about a battleship broadside
Could you try to put into words the sound?I have a beautiful picture in one of my books of a battleship broadside from above, and you can see the shock waves from the shells propagating out across the water. Quite impressive.
BrettMRC said:
Somewhere there is a seperate audio recording track that goes with this video:
IWM, currently not available - https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/150...wolfracesonic said:
spitfire-ian said:
Going off topic slightly but still on the subject of battleships, I've been wasting an awful lot of time recently watching the extremely informative videos on the USS New Jersey YouTube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/@BattleshipNewJersey
Same here, latest facts that caught my attention was that they try to have the ship listing a couple of degrees to port or starboard so rainwater drains away, which wouldn’t normally be a problem when the vessel is naturally rolling at sea. The ‘barn door stop’ seemed interesting as wellhttps://www.youtube.com/@BattleshipNewJersey
That latest video of "I don't watch Star Trek, but here's everything wrong with that bit", dig a hole for yourself there mate
Jake899 said:
98elise said:
When you're hurling a 1 ton projectile 20+ miles you need a big explosion. I'm not sure there is anything you can do to hide the flame. There is nothing stealthy about a battleship broadside
Could you try to put into words the sound?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w3e7oslXFM
aeropilot said:
A pity everything below 1Khz is missing...!Simpo Two said:
aeropilot said:
A pity everything below 1Khz is missing...!This is a broadside and near to what it sounded like.
https://youtu.be/ITUlTUNdJOU
I was a Phalanx CIWS operator/maintainer and even that sounds very muted in video. It's a much louder and deeper sound in real life, and the deck shakes with the recoil.
Edited to add...
Of course on a video you also miss the physical aspects of being near 9 16 inch guns going off together!
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 5th April 13:26
Jake899 said:
98elise said:
When you're hurling a 1 ton projectile 20+ miles you need a big explosion. I'm not sure there is anything you can do to hide the flame. There is nothing stealthy about a battleship broadside
Could you try to put into words the sound?I have a beautiful picture in one of my books of a battleship broadside from above, and you can see the shock waves from the shells propagating out across the water. Quite impressive.
This was an official photo given to me one of their Phalanx crew after I helped them out with a problem (hence getting a tour of the ship)
Ironic that Phalanx is an American system
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 5th April 16:53
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 6th April 08:49
BrettMRC said:
Given it's possible to see the shells in flight anyway...
I recall reading Raymond Baxter (of Tomorrow's World) describing seeing large black objects passing him in June 1944 when he was spotting for the battleships offshore. He was in a Spitfire and the large black things were causing some turbulence. When he realised that they were 15" shells he decided he would be safer a few thousand feet higher.98elise said:
Probably this image, or one similar. It should be the same shoot from New Jersey, but on the web it's being attributed to USS Iowa from around 1984. It was issued as part of an official set of photos from the Outback 88 deployment (Australia 1988) which is where I witnessed the USS New Jersey shoot.
That's the one! spectacular isn't it!Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 5th April 16:53
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 6th April 08:49
Jake899 said:
98elise said:
Probably this image, or one similar. It should be the same shoot from New Jersey, but on the web it's being attributed to USS Iowa from around 1984. It was issued as part of an official set of photos from the Outback 88 deployment (Australia 1988) which is where I witnessed the USS New Jersey shoot.
That's the one! spectacular isn't it!Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 5th April 16:53
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 6th April 08:49
IJWS15 said:
BrettMRC said:
Given it's possible to see the shells in flight anyway...
I recall reading Raymond Baxter (of Tomorrow's World) describing seeing large black objects passing him in June 1944 when he was spotting for the battleships offshore. He was in a Spitfire and the large black things were causing some turbulence. When he realised that they were 15" shells he decided he would be safer a few thousand feet higher.
king express train'andyA700 said:
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