Suez blocked by stuck ship!
Discussion
808 Estate said:
How much loss was there if all the ships eventually got through. I bet they still had to pay full price, even if they were held up for a few days.
I will concede some ships took the long route, so there is loss there, as well as damage to the canal structure.
Exactly my thoughts.I will concede some ships took the long route, so there is loss there, as well as damage to the canal structure.
Perhaps some other Owners/Operators have made claims against SCA for delayed transit but im sure that in the SCA clauses there is something that will cover the Egyptians backsides.
Meanwhile Ever Given remains at The Bitter lakes..... It will be who blinks first.
Abbott said:
Doesn't the whole claims thing start with this:
"Under Salvage Law a person who recovers another person's boat or cargo from danger at sea is entitled to a reward based on the value of the property saved."
Does that mean the salvage company claims the ship?
And possibly the cargo too? "Under Salvage Law a person who recovers another person's boat or cargo from danger at sea is entitled to a reward based on the value of the property saved."
Does that mean the salvage company claims the ship?
Ordered some shutters 16 weeks ago, due for delivery this month.
Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
nealeh1875 said:
Ordered some shutters 16 weeks ago, due for delivery this month.
Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
Bet there is a few people using that excuse...Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
surveyor said:
nealeh1875 said:
Ordered some shutters 16 weeks ago, due for delivery this month.
Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
Bet there is a few people using that excuse...Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
surveyor said:
nealeh1875 said:
Ordered some shutters 16 weeks ago, due for delivery this month.
Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
Bet there is a few people using that excuse...Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
IJWS15 said:
Doesn't salvage law apply if the ship is abandoned?
There will be a deal between the owners and the company who got it refloated setting out what they were to be paid - probably cost plus and a bonus based on time taken (quicker = higher bonus).
The ship does not have to be abandoned for a salvage claim. There will be a deal between the owners and the company who got it refloated setting out what they were to be paid - probably cost plus and a bonus based on time taken (quicker = higher bonus).
Salvage is the act of salving the ship crew or cargo. Generally a salvage contract is preferred with a salvor arranged by the owners or charterer. In this case the SCA may have appointed the Salvors. Notably General Average has been declared. This is very unusual in these circumstances as it usually applies in the case of jettisoning cargo to save the marine enterprise. Basically in means all parties involved in the enterprise will share the cost of salvage.... Including the shippers of the cargo onboard.
Expect shipping costs to rise.
Mykap said:
IJWS15 said:
Doesn't salvage law apply if the ship is abandoned?
There will be a deal between the owners and the company who got it refloated setting out what they were to be paid - probably cost plus and a bonus based on time taken (quicker = higher bonus).
The ship does not have to be abandoned for a salvage claim. There will be a deal between the owners and the company who got it refloated setting out what they were to be paid - probably cost plus and a bonus based on time taken (quicker = higher bonus).
Salvage is the act of salving the ship crew or cargo. Generally a salvage contract is preferred with a salvor arranged by the owners or charterer. In this case the SCA may have appointed the Salvors. Notably General Average has been declared. This is very unusual in these circumstances as it usually applies in the case of jettisoning cargo to save the marine enterprise. Basically in means all parties involved in the enterprise will share the cost of salvage.... Including the shippers of the cargo onboard.
Expect shipping costs to rise.
Underwriters will be looking for their pound of flesh come next years renewals.
zorba_the_greek said:
surveyor said:
nealeh1875 said:
Ordered some shutters 16 weeks ago, due for delivery this month.
Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
Bet there is a few people using that excuse...Apparently they was stuck behind the evergreen ship and have been delayed !
I am sure you are aware of the vessel Ever Given that was blocking the Suez canal for 6 days
We have been made aware by our supplier that your shutters are on a vessel that was in the queue of ships that had been held up
Latest potential cause:-
It was pointed out that with wind gusting to 45 kts, the windage forces on the high freeboard and container
stacks on Ever Given could have amounted to up to 270 tonnes, equal to the forces applied by five
harbour tugs.
This, combined with a following current, would have incentivised the master and pilot to increase the
ship’s speed to ensure steerage. “Increasing speed was the correct decision to reduce the effect of wind and current,” he said.
“But higher speed would have led to the ship squatting, thereby reducing the draft and reducing
steerage.”
Any loss of steering control was likely to have put the vessel away from the deeper centre of the canal
channel and led to the introduction of bank effect, which would have pushed the bow across the canal,
he added.
Goes onto say
Mr Behairy also praised the actions of the master and pilot, who had reduced and minimised the
potential damage “In this type of incident you would normally expect huge damage but the only damage we can see so far
was just the time during which the canal was closed,” he said.
The ship itself appeared to have suffered minimal damage for its size and the speed it was going.
“Everybody has done a great job in my opinion,” he said. He added that the size of Ever Given had never been
an issue. “Even bigger ships have transited with no trouble.”
Nevertheless, Julian Oggel, managing director of Novatug, which has been involved in efforts to
remove similar sized ships from grounding before, warned that the Ever Given incident fitted a trend
since the emergence of ultra-large containerships.
“This size of ship is unprecedented,” he said. “These ships need speed for control. A ship that is dead in
the water doesn’t steer but speed is vital for these large ships when facing wind, as the faster the ship
is moving the less grip the wind has on the ship and the better it steers.”
He said that although Ever Given had a beam of 59 m, when affected by a drift angle of just 5°, the
measurement between the bow and stern across the beam could be as much as 100 m.
It was pointed out that with wind gusting to 45 kts, the windage forces on the high freeboard and container
stacks on Ever Given could have amounted to up to 270 tonnes, equal to the forces applied by five
harbour tugs.
This, combined with a following current, would have incentivised the master and pilot to increase the
ship’s speed to ensure steerage. “Increasing speed was the correct decision to reduce the effect of wind and current,” he said.
“But higher speed would have led to the ship squatting, thereby reducing the draft and reducing
steerage.”
Any loss of steering control was likely to have put the vessel away from the deeper centre of the canal
channel and led to the introduction of bank effect, which would have pushed the bow across the canal,
he added.
Goes onto say
Mr Behairy also praised the actions of the master and pilot, who had reduced and minimised the
potential damage “In this type of incident you would normally expect huge damage but the only damage we can see so far
was just the time during which the canal was closed,” he said.
The ship itself appeared to have suffered minimal damage for its size and the speed it was going.
“Everybody has done a great job in my opinion,” he said. He added that the size of Ever Given had never been
an issue. “Even bigger ships have transited with no trouble.”
Nevertheless, Julian Oggel, managing director of Novatug, which has been involved in efforts to
remove similar sized ships from grounding before, warned that the Ever Given incident fitted a trend
since the emergence of ultra-large containerships.
“This size of ship is unprecedented,” he said. “These ships need speed for control. A ship that is dead in
the water doesn’t steer but speed is vital for these large ships when facing wind, as the faster the ship
is moving the less grip the wind has on the ship and the better it steers.”
He said that although Ever Given had a beam of 59 m, when affected by a drift angle of just 5°, the
measurement between the bow and stern across the beam could be as much as 100 m.
Mr Behairy obviously went to a different marine academy to me!
Increased speed increases squat and bank effect. He said this. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but reducing speed and using her thrusters would have given more control. If she still grounded it would be along the length of the hull at minimal speed making getting her off the bank easier when conditions eased and possibly allowing other vessels to pass.
This however would have delayed all the ships in the convoy.
But anyway top marks and praise for hitting the bank at 13kts.
Increased speed increases squat and bank effect. He said this. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but reducing speed and using her thrusters would have given more control. If she still grounded it would be along the length of the hull at minimal speed making getting her off the bank easier when conditions eased and possibly allowing other vessels to pass.
This however would have delayed all the ships in the convoy.
But anyway top marks and praise for hitting the bank at 13kts.
Edited by Mykap on Tuesday 13th April 11:48
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