Plane Landed short at Heathrow

[Fantic SuperT]

I haven't read this whole story, but in case no-one else has said it: Could the anti-terrorist devices (jamming remote control bombs etc.) in Gordon Browns' motorcade have affected the flights computer systems if it flew directly overhead at low altitude?

[tonyvid]

Now wouldn't that be funny!

[Zad]

Fantic SuperT said:

I haven't read this whole story, but in case no-one else has said it: Could the anti-terrorist devices (jamming remote control bombs etc.) in Gordon Browns' motorcade have affected the flights computer systems if it flew directly overhead at low altitude?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage 

I think Air Traffic control, ILS etc might possibly have had issues had the RF emitter been that strong too.

To save people rummaging, the update is very short, and the important part is:

AAIB said:

As previously reported, whilst the aircraft was stabilised on an ILS approach with the autopilot engaged, the autothrust system commanded an increase in thrust from both engines. The engines both initially responded but after about 3 seconds the thrust of the right engine reduced. Some eight seconds later the thrust reduced on the left engine to a similar level. The engines did not shut down and both engines continued to produce thrust at an engine speed above flight idle, but less than the commanded thrust.

Recorded data indicates that an adequate fuel quantity was on board the aircraft and that the autothrottle and engine control commands were performing as expected prior to, and after, the reduction in thrust.

All possible scenarios that could explain the thrust reduction and continued lack of response of the engines to throttle lever inputs are being examined, in close cooperation with Boeing, Rolls Royce and British Airways. This work includes a detailed analysis and examination of the complete fuel flow path from the aircraft tanks to the engine fuel nozzles.

[kiwisr]

Here's the real reason it crashed.

[mogul]

kiwisr said:

Here's the real reason it crashed.

What crashed

[Fantic SuperT]

Zad said:

I think Air Traffic control, ILS etc might possibly have had issues had the RF emitter been that strong too.

When do you think they would have become aware of any jamming signals created by Gordon Brown's cavalcade? I was wondering if they were using something new, perhaps secret, and didn't warn ATC beforehand, intentionally or unintentionally. Maybe even now the security services aren't keen on detailing what they were using, if anything.

[HSVGTSCoupe]

kiwisr said:

Here's the real reason it crashed.

The only problem I see in this pic is maybe she is dropping her right shoulder a bit and her stance is a bit open..

[Fantic SuperT]

Very '80's hair.
Anyway, how does anyone ever get hurt sliding down those escape chutes?

[srebbe64]

Interesting article on the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7208126....

[Eric Mc]

Best article I've read on the matter so far.

[RDE]

mogul said:

kiwisr said:

Here's the real reason it crashed.

What crashed

If you concentrate really hard for a few minutes, you can make out that she's holding a golf club. Still doesn't answer your question though.

[mogul]

RDE said:

mogul said:

kiwisr said:

Here's the real reason it crashed.

What crashed

If you concentrate really hard for a few minutes, you can make out that she's holding a golf club. Still doesn't answer your question though.

Reminds me of when I was a golf pro. I was teaching a young girl to play and told her to hold the club like she held her man. Bugger me she hit the ball 250 yards which was pretty impressive.

I did suggest however she took the club out of her mouth and use her hands as it may go even further........

[Laird]

Six more Boeing 777s 'shut-offs'


Six previous shutdown failures have been recorded on Boeing 777s like the one that crash-landed at Heathrow, US safety experts revealed yesterday.

But investigators insisted both engines of the British Airways jet were still running when it came down.

They are now probing the fuel system to find out what caused the power loss.

A source said seven engine failures was "not a large figure" given the aircraft's long flight history.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/01/25...

[Mave]

Laird said:

Six more Boeing 777s 'shut-offs'

Six previous shutdown failures have been recorded on Boeing 777s like the one that crash-landed at Heathrow, US safety experts revealed yesterday.

But investigators insisted both engines of the British Airways jet were still running when it came down.

They are now probing the fuel system to find out what caused the power loss.

A source said seven engine failures was "not a large figure" given the aircraft's long flight history.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/01/25...

...and those previous "shutdown failures" were with different engine types.

[speedchick]

Sorry to drag this thread back up, but saw this today and had to share it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVMDkV5kJYk

[Hooli]

blueyes said:

stovey said:

Why are people still posting these nonsense theories when the Initial AAIB report was released some three or four days ago and quoted in full on this thread.

Edited by stovey on Wednesday 23 January 08:25

Exactly!

We all know the problem was that the runway was 400m too short.

no no no it was just 400m too far west

[trackdemon]

speedchick said:

Sorry to drag this thread back up, but saw this today and had to share it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVMDkV5kJYk

[Schmeeky]

speedchick said:

Sorry to drag this thread back up, but saw this today and had to share it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVMDkV5kJYk

Very droll...

[chris_tivver]

Hooli said:

blueyes said:

stovey said:

Why are people still posting these nonsense theories when the Initial AAIB report was released some three or four days ago and quoted in full on this thread.

Edited by stovey on Wednesday 23 January 08:25

Exactly!

We all know the problem was that the runway was 400m too short.

no no no it was just 400m too far west

...caused by continental drift which Jonthan Porrit says is Jeremy Clarksons fault

[vetteheadracer]

Seems they still don't know why the plane crashed!

http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/publications/special_bu..._boeing_777_236_erg_ymmm.cfm