V Bomber Program on More4 at 10:00pm tonight

V Bomber Program on More4 at 10:00pm tonight

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DiscoColin

3,328 posts

216 months

Thursday 13th August 2009
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perdu said:
B Oeuf said:
Eric Mc said:
Ward is correct - from a miltary point of view.

The Vulcan missions were more about a demonstration of power, capability and commitment.
yes in time honoured RAF, 1000 bomber raid, Dambuster tradition
If they had bombed from the Carrier Force the likeliest "doers" would have been the RAF Harriers anyway, ground attack was far and away more their mission than the Shars, so Sharkey is right and wrong.

But as Eric says the intention was to warn Argentina that if the UK could "find" a tiny set of islands with big loud bombers they could certainly find Argentina more easily.

"This is my big stick, how's your sore head?"

Seems to have done the trick

And indeed, how must they have all felt in Argentina when they opened their morning paper to read about the Vulcan (obviously being designed to reign nuclear armageddon on post war Russia) parked next door at Rio airport... I know it was down to a broken refueling probe, but I always thought that it must have ultimately turned out to be a bit of an inadvertent propaganda coup... Their world must surely have felt a bit smaller that day?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

286 months

Thursday 13th August 2009
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Dunk76 said:
Well, by all accounts it put the wind up the Argentinians - it's one thing to have a Carrier based strike aircraft dropping runway denial pods. It's entirely another to have a thumping great Nuclear-capable Bomber dropping conventional payloads having taken off from an island completely out of reach of the Argentine airforce.
I have a cartoon somewhere of the defenders running for cover wondering how big the carriers are.....

Mr_B

10,480 posts

245 months

Thursday 13th August 2009
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Is it correct that in the second Black Buck raid, none of the bombs exploded ?

spitfire-ian

3,848 posts

230 months

Friday 14th August 2009
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Mr_B said:
Is it correct that in the second Black Buck raid, none of the bombs exploded ?
No.

Wikipedia said:
Black Buck Two
During the night of 3 May-4 May, XM607 (flown by Sqn Ldr John Reeve and his crew of No 50 Squadron) flew a near identical mission to the first. This raid targeted the area at the western end of the runway. This was intended to prevent Argentinian engineers from extending the runway sufficiently to make it capable of accommodating high performance combat aircraft.

XM598 acted as flying reserve aircraft. Two Argentine soldiers were wounded according to Argentine sources, which also confirm impacts near the western end of the airstrip.

spitfire-ian

3,848 posts

230 months

Friday 14th August 2009
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jmorgan said:
Dunk76 said:
Well, by all accounts it put the wind up the Argentinians - it's one thing to have a Carrier based strike aircraft dropping runway denial pods. It's entirely another to have a thumping great Nuclear-capable Bomber dropping conventional payloads having taken off from an island completely out of reach of the Argentine airforce.
I have a cartoon somewhere of the defenders running for cover wondering how big the carriers are.....
This one??


jmorgan

36,010 posts

286 months

Friday 14th August 2009
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spitfire-ian said:
jmorgan said:
Dunk76 said:
Well, by all accounts it put the wind up the Argentinians - it's one thing to have a Carrier based strike aircraft dropping runway denial pods. It's entirely another to have a thumping great Nuclear-capable Bomber dropping conventional payloads having taken off from an island completely out of reach of the Argentine airforce.
I have a cartoon somewhere of the defenders running for cover wondering how big the carriers are.....
This one??

Think so, have to dig the book out. Drawn by the army I think.

Edit. Exact same one.

Book is "up the falklands" by the Royal Marines.

Edited by jmorgan on Friday 14th August 11:57

Mr_B

10,480 posts

245 months

Friday 14th August 2009
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spitfire-ian said:
Mr_B said:
Is it correct that in the second Black Buck raid, none of the bombs exploded ?
No.

Wikipedia said:
Black Buck Two
During the night of 3 May-4 May, XM607 (flown by Sqn Ldr John Reeve and his crew of No 50 Squadron) flew a near identical mission to the first. This raid targeted the area at the western end of the runway. This was intended to prevent Argentinian engineers from extending the runway sufficiently to make it capable of accommodating high performance combat aircraft.

XM598 acted as flying reserve aircraft. Two Argentine soldiers were wounded according to Argentine sources, which also confirm impacts near the western end of the airstrip.
Huh. Pretty sure I read in Sharky Ward's book that's what happened one one of the Black Buck raids.Maybe another raid ?

Mr_B

10,480 posts

245 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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Bump. All 3 shows on More4 tonight from 9pm

williamp

19,293 posts

275 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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Thants for the heads-up. Worth seeing again. Especially as I;ve just finished reading Vulcan 607. Great book.

FM

5,816 posts

222 months

Sunday 2nd May 2010
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Mr_B said:
Bump. All 3 shows on More4 tonight from 9pm
Watched them all last night too... cheers for the reminder as I missed the other 2 parts the 1st time round.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

245 months

Sunday 2nd May 2010
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They are also online to view here if anyone missed them.

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educati...

dome

687 posts

259 months

Wednesday 5th January 2011
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Bump for this, repeated at 11.05 tonight on More4...

theboss

6,947 posts

221 months

Wednesday 5th January 2011
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dome said:
Bump for this, repeated at 11.05 tonight on More4...
Damn it, if I'd jumped to your post instead of reading the whole thread (and posted links, etc.) I wouldn't have missed most of it biggrin


Edited by theboss on Wednesday 5th January 23:43