Suez blocked by stuck ship!

[Simpo Two]

MOTORVATOR said:

Simpo Two said:

GliderRider said:

There is a bit of difference between filling the Dead Sea up to its previous, recent history, level, and filling it to the level of the Red Sea. It is 1,412 ft below sea level...

Pah, aqueduct!

Or some inclined planes... big ones...

You can do better Simpo.

No need to fill it up, Think Archimedes, an 800m diameter wheel and a few camels to power it. Job done innit?

I did actually have you in mind for the aqueduct project... but re the wheel, Archimedes had the screw - the wheel belonged to Falkirk...

[hidetheelephants]

Simpo Two said:

MOTORVATOR said:

Simpo Two said:

GliderRider said:

There is a bit of difference between filling the Dead Sea up to its previous, recent history, level, and filling it to the level of the Red Sea. It is 1,412 ft below sea level...

Pah, aqueduct!

Or some inclined planes... big ones...

You can do better Simpo.

No need to fill it up, Think Archimedes, an 800m diameter wheel and a few camels to power it. Job done innit?

I did actually have you in mind for the aqueduct project... but re the wheel, Archimedes had the screw - the wheel belonged to Falkirk...

A Falkirk Wheel that can take 20,000TEU boxboats; I'd pay to see that.

[MOTORVATOR]

Simpo Two said:

MOTORVATOR said:

Simpo Two said:

GliderRider said:

There is a bit of difference between filling the Dead Sea up to its previous, recent history, level, and filling it to the level of the Red Sea. It is 1,412 ft below sea level...

Pah, aqueduct!

Or some inclined planes... big ones...

You can do better Simpo.

No need to fill it up, Think Archimedes, an 800m diameter wheel and a few camels to power it. Job done innit?

I did actually have you in mind for the aqueduct project... but re the wheel, Archimedes had the screw - the wheel belonged to Falkirk...

If it wasn't for Archimedes no amount of camels is going turn that wheel.

[Easternlight]

I see the Ever given is still sitting in the lake in the middle of the canal!
That's a lot of stuff going nowhere.

[john2443]

There's a garden gnome shortage caused by this !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestersh...

[Hashtaggggg]

Easternlight said:

I see the Ever given is still sitting in the lake in the middle of the canal!
That's a lot of stuff going nowhere.

Some one on this thread has a sofa on board

[nonsequitur]

Hashtaggggg said:

Easternlight said:

I see the Ever given is still sitting in the lake in the middle of the canal!
That's a lot of stuff going nowhere.

Some one on this thread has a sofa on board

And the former footballer Peter Couch.

[Seight_Returns]

nonsequitur said:

And the former footballer Peter Couch.

I'd always imagined Peter Crouch could afford to fly around the World First Class rather than in a shipping container, but maybe not !

[Digga]

Slight tangent, but Hapag Lloyd have just ordered an additional 150,000 twenty foot containers (TFAs).

Aside from Suez chaos, they say delays with unloading containers from ports (especially Western USA) and additional delays with transport and unloading goods from the containers inland mean they are turning round one or two weeks slower than normal, so they need more units.

Full info here:
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/hapag-lloyd-shel...

[The Mad Monk]

Digga said:

Slight tangent, but Hapag Lloyd have just ordered an additional 150,000 twenty foot containers (TFAs).

Aside from Suez chaos, they say delays with unloading containers from ports (especially Western USA) and additional delays with transport and unloading goods from the containers inland mean they are turning round one or two weeks slower than normal, so they need more units.

Full info here:
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/hapag-lloyd-shel...

$3,333.33 per container?

[Digga]

The Mad Monk said:

Digga said:

Slight tangent, but Hapag Lloyd have just ordered an additional 150,000 twenty foot containers (TFAs).

Aside from Suez chaos, they say delays with unloading containers from ports (especially Western USA) and additional delays with transport and unloading goods from the containers inland mean they are turning round one or two weeks slower than normal, so they need more units.

Full info here:
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/hapag-lloyd-shel...

$3,333.33 per container?

Under 3 grand on Ebay used. They bin done.

[Talksteer]

john2443 said:

Talksteer said:

Also major issue is where do you get the water to operate the locks?

hidetheelephants said:

There is no water, the valley north of Eilat is drier than a mouthful of crackers, as is the Negev

The Dead Sea is 400m below sea level so would either need loads of locks to get down there and back up and it would gradually flood as all the lockfulls of water were let through, or fill it in and build a massive embankment using all the spoil from the tunnels!

I would assume that you would build your canal at the 50-100m contour line on the west bank of the dead sea. You'd have to make the canal salt water and use similar techniques to the Panama canal lock gates to reduce water usage.

[hidetheelephants]

Talksteer said:

john2443 said:

Talksteer said:

Also major issue is where do you get the water to operate the locks?

hidetheelephants said:

There is no water, the valley north of Eilat is drier than a mouthful of crackers, as is the Negev

The Dead Sea is 400m below sea level so would either need loads of locks to get down there and back up and it would gradually flood as all the lockfulls of water were let through, or fill it in and build a massive embankment using all the spoil from the tunnels!

I would assume that you would build your canal at the 50-100m contour line on the west bank of the dead sea. You'd have to make the canal salt water and use similar techniques to the Panama canal lock gates to reduce water usage.

Nah, man; go big or go home, my fag packet has a sea-level canal scribbled on it in crayon.

[Abbott]

With Global Warming it will not be long before EverCold will be able to take the Northern Passage.

[saaby93]

hidetheelephants said:

Talksteer said:

john2443 said:

Talksteer said:

Also major issue is where do you get the water to operate the locks?

hidetheelephants said:

There is no water, the valley north of Eilat is drier than a mouthful of crackers, as is the Negev

The Dead Sea is 400m below sea level so would either need loads of locks to get down there and back up and it would gradually flood as all the lockfulls of water were let through, or fill it in and build a massive embankment using all the spoil from the tunnels!

I would assume that you would build your canal at the 50-100m contour line on the west bank of the dead sea. You'd have to make the canal salt water and use similar techniques to the Panama canal lock gates to reduce water usage.

Nah, man; go big or go home, my fag packet has a sea-level canal scribbled on it in crayon.

what about avoiding a water based canal and use some of that thunderbirds kit that moves whole buildings on dry land

[GliderRider]

saaby93 said:

what about avoiding a water based canal and use some of that thunderbirds kit that moves whole buildings on dry land

That means either unloading the ship; all 20,000 containers, as per the railway that has already been proposed by the Israelis, or taking the ship on this transporter. Digging a sea level canal through the mountains of the Negev desert would be relatively easy in comparison to the latter!
Even if the Israelis built the canal, they know the Egyptians only need to drop the price for using the Suez canal to stop them getting their investment back.

[GliderRider]

anonymous said:

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Can't see the Egyptians being too enthusiastic about the first bit; giving up a nice revenue earner for what?

[hidetheelephants]

GliderRider said:

saaby93 said:

what about avoiding a water based canal and use some of that thunderbirds kit that moves whole buildings on dry land

That means either unloading the ship; all 20,000 containers, as per the railway that has already been proposed by the Israelis, or taking the ship on this transporter. Digging a sea level canal through the mountains of the Negev desert would be relatively easy in comparison to the latter!
Even if the Israelis built the canal, they know the Egyptians only need to drop the price for using the Suez canal to stop them getting their investment back.

They're in the hole for whatever the recent canal redevelopment cost, $4bn at apparently 15%; there's a limit to how much movement they have.

[saaby93]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

or a string down the middle with blue buoys as per swimming pools

[Talksteer]

GliderRider said:

saaby93 said:

what about avoiding a water based canal and use some of that thunderbirds kit that moves whole buildings on dry land

That means either unloading the ship; all 20,000 containers, as per the railway that has already been proposed by the Israelis, or taking the ship on this transporter. Digging a sea level canal through the mountains of the Negev desert would be relatively easy in comparison to the latter!
Even if the Israelis built the canal, they know the Egyptians only need to drop the price for using the Suez canal to stop them getting their investment back.

The Israelis already have a pipeline which bypasses the canal, this does go across the Negev, it's transit fees are based on the Suez fee. Oil is the only commodity which it would make sense to do this with.