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That is not a boat. That is a floating mobile home.
This is the boat you want:
She is for sale here:
http://www.boatquest.com/Sail/HMS-Pickle/Category/...
And I want her badly. Now, who else want to be a pirate, arrgh?
This is the boat you want:
She is for sale here:
http://www.boatquest.com/Sail/HMS-Pickle/Category/...
And I want her badly. Now, who else want to be a pirate, arrgh?
XJSJohn said:
Tank Slapper, one thing to factor into your globe trotting daydreaming planning is that if you are planning on spending much time in the Indian Ocean, SE Asia, South China Sea, Northern Oz, Or Central Pacific is that those sort of boats are hell to live on. (think Equitorial Sun, Doldrums weather patterns and 85 - 95% humidity, but some of the best cruising grounds in the world ... )
Its a real Catch 22, but European designed boats (Especially Scandi ones) are designed to keep everything out because where they are traditionally used its 'effin cold, 'effin wet and 'effin windy.
As such they dont have much by way of ventilation and all that woodwork realy starts to sweat so that you end up with a sailing Sauna (also Scandinavian built)
hmmm this has gone off on a tangent ..... 
XJSJohn , absolutly correct could not have put it any better .Its a real Catch 22, but European designed boats (Especially Scandi ones) are designed to keep everything out because where they are traditionally used its 'effin cold, 'effin wet and 'effin windy.
As such they dont have much by way of ventilation and all that woodwork realy starts to sweat so that you end up with a sailing Sauna (also Scandinavian built)
hmmm this has gone off on a tangent ..... The best thing for warm climates is one of these http://www.toplineyachtcharters.com/catamarans.htm
Anyone who who thinks not need to go and live and work on one for X amount of years in warm climates , i have run mono hulls and big powerboats ,but nothing compares( cold as well) . Yes they cost more in marinas but if you are properly cruising the last place you want to go is marina a part for fuel and water . And because they don't roll on the pick and have shallow draft the options to anchor are some much more .
A mono hull is like a glorified camping holiday where as a Cat is a luxury hotel. Even good 45-47ft Cats have more good usable space than 95ft mono.
These boats are just the best for warm climates and you can have a good 47ft Cat 2004 with all the kit AC , Genny , big deep freezers etc for . £150,000 -£180,000. Oh and if you need to send them out to make money they will pull $12,000 U.S per week with a good crew. And most people you get on a crewed charter are not sailors so no stupid angles or spilling of drinks, big cabins and space is what people want.
And all the purist thing goes out the window when you have to live on a boat everyday and that's coming from a guy who spent many years racing very nice proper monohulls with all that mega purist attitude.
http://www.yachtworld.com/privatelabel/listing/pl_...
Edited by Rum Runner on Saturday 5th January 11:44
Daydreaming, perhaps at the moment, but I do intend to live aboard a boat at some time in the future, though I doubt it would be a Rassy 54.
I don't think I'd want a multihull, though I am sure they are very nice - it just isn't the same. I guess it depends on what your own expectations are as to what level of comfort you 'need'.
That schooner is nice, but it might be interesting trying to sail it single handed.
I don't think I'd want a multihull, though I am sure they are very nice - it just isn't the same. I guess it depends on what your own expectations are as to what level of comfort you 'need'.
That schooner is nice, but it might be interesting trying to sail it single handed.
tank slapper said:
Daydreaming, perhaps at the moment, but I do intend to live aboard a boat at some time in the future, though I doubt it would be a Rassy 54.
I don't think I'd want a multihull, though I am sure they are very nice - it just isn't the same. I guess it depends on what your own expectations are as to what level of comfort you 'need'.
That schooner is nice, but it might be interesting trying to sail it single handed.
Interesting when you say just not the same , funny until you try a good one that's everybody's option , I don't no of any of my friends who would ever go back to a mono. I am just helping a friend to buy one now who has been round the world twice ,once on British Steel 2 and once on his swan . He now fully understands the benefit , and that they do sail well you don't have to reef until big winds, easy managed by 2 , easy to manoeuvre, and work on, lots of storage space, and on the 45 i used to live on it would do over 10 knots uphill at a good angle in 20knots of breeze fully kitted out with charter gubbins .It would regularly do 14 Knots downhill . No point in spending loads of time in open water trying to get somewhere, and it means you can move if a small weather window .I did lots miles and my only crew was my wife and some good distances covered .I don't think I'd want a multihull, though I am sure they are very nice - it just isn't the same. I guess it depends on what your own expectations are as to what level of comfort you 'need'.
That schooner is nice, but it might be interesting trying to sail it single handed.
After years of being a purist i would also never go back.
I'm liking this..
http://www.boatshop24.co.uk/OTE5Nzk2Mn5jeWcwMQ%253...
Why do half the boats on the net look like people have used them for somewhere for their dog to sleep.
http://www.boatshop24.co.uk/OTE5Nzk2Mn5jeWcwMQ%253...
Why do half the boats on the net look like people have used them for somewhere for their dog to sleep.
http://www.yachtworld.com/privatelabel/listing/pl_...
These are much better than FP cats , i did some work over seeing a new FP 60 at the factory ( like this boat hear , i was going to run http://www.centralyachtagent.com/yachts.php?id=119... )which was ok though it did get osmosis after 2 years . But look at the year of the Leopard 47 compared to the FP , and some of these X moorings Cats are crewed boats which means its there home, they don't jump from boat to boat.
Plus you get 4 big doubles and 4 head/Shower . OK the moorings cat costs more but there are some which are not so different in £. Also if somebody wants to buy a cat for Charter you need 4 cabin / heads . So it widens your market when you come to sell.
These are much better than FP cats , i did some work over seeing a new FP 60 at the factory ( like this boat hear , i was going to run http://www.centralyachtagent.com/yachts.php?id=119... )which was ok though it did get osmosis after 2 years . But look at the year of the Leopard 47 compared to the FP , and some of these X moorings Cats are crewed boats which means its there home, they don't jump from boat to boat.
Plus you get 4 big doubles and 4 head/Shower . OK the moorings cat costs more but there are some which are not so different in £. Also if somebody wants to buy a cat for Charter you need 4 cabin / heads . So it widens your market when you come to sell.
Edited by Rum Runner on Sunday 6th January 09:37
Rum Runner said:
£150,000 -£180,000. Oh and if you need to send them out to make money they will pull $12,000 U.S per week with a good crew.
RR - that is a hell of a margin. I assume they are only rented for a fraction of the time over a short season? How many boats would you need to make a full time living out of something like that, do you think, to generate equivalent of say £100k salary?Mahatma Bag said:
Rum Runner said:
£150,000 -£180,000. Oh and if you need to send them out to make money they will pull $12,000 U.S per week with a good crew.
RR - that is a hell of a margin. I assume they are only rented for a fraction of the time over a short season? How many boats would you need to make a full time living out of something like that, do you think, to generate equivalent of say £100k salary?When provisioning for a crewed charter you would be looking to budget at $1500-$2000 mark per week so you can take that off your $12,000 charter rate .
You can go and spend $ 1 mil U.S on a 57 ft cat and go out for $15,000 - £20,000 but as the price goes up so does the working budget / maitenance ,so in the end you are generally worse off and get little downtime because of increased maintenance . In the end you are also there to enjoy yourself not just make money ,so time to do what you want ,diving etc is a real bonus.
Though the figure don't look so good if you put crew on as they will be looking at $40,000 U.S per annum. Though there tips can also double this ,and they will be off for 2 months in the summer / hurricane season.
( Great boats to run if crew as they are fairly wash and go )
Edited by Rum Runner on Sunday 6th January 12:18
A mate of mine is skipper on this little tri ("only" 90ft)
Charters out on a day rate or an evening rate (generally only corporate junkets, rarely for overnighters)
costs about 2k sterling for a day or 1.7k sterling for an evening (plus catering)
Its very rare that its NOT working.
some Rusky olgerich owns it and strangely she is registered out of Sierra Leone ...
nothing dodgy there at all ......
currently for sale if anyone is interested - 900,000 sterling!
Charters out on a day rate or an evening rate (generally only corporate junkets, rarely for overnighters)
costs about 2k sterling for a day or 1.7k sterling for an evening (plus catering)
Its very rare that its NOT working.
some Rusky olgerich owns it and strangely she is registered out of Sierra Leone ...
nothing dodgy there at all ...... currently for sale if anyone is interested - 900,000 sterling!
This was a great show. I suppose I know enough to know it was a proper bermuda sloop (enough to have half an idea), but not enough to be jealous.
It really was a beautiful yacht, eclipsed most of the marinas they went to IMO. Those tycoons in their plastic motorboats..... Like glorified dorys!
Anyhow, more of that sort of thing is welcome to keep up the cheer at this grey time of year.
Personally I'd be happy with something like this.....
If I ever got really rich it would be....
It really was a beautiful yacht, eclipsed most of the marinas they went to IMO. Those tycoons in their plastic motorboats..... Like glorified dorys!
Anyhow, more of that sort of thing is welcome to keep up the cheer at this grey time of year.
Personally I'd be happy with something like this.....
If I ever got really rich it would be....
Edited by dilbert on Monday 7th January 05:26
Philip Rhodes 45 ft Bermudan Sloop 1953 Used sail boat for sale | Boat ID:87255
£230,000 GBP
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Make/model Philip Rhodes 45 ft Bermudan Sloop 1953
Name of boat UNDINA
Year of manufacture 1953
Length overall 13.72 metres
Length waterline 10.36 metres
Beam 3.35 metres
Draft 1.52 metres
Displacement 17,882 kg
Hull Mahogany plank on teak Carvel
Keel Long Keel
Location United Kingdom
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Propulsion
Engine 1 x Vetus
Engine hours 366
Fuel Diesel
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Accommodation
Number of cabins 2
Number of berths 7
Description
Philip Rhodes 45 ft Bermudan Sloop 1953
BROKERS COMMENTS
Built in 1953 by Abeking & Rasmussen to a design by Philip L Rhodes - one of America's leading yacht designers of the period UNDINA is of special interest as a shoal draft yacht ? a superb example of his centre board hull with a 5 ft 6 in draft increasing to 8 ft 6 in with the centre board lowered. Seven sister ships were built but the combination of Rhodes design and A&R was considered the best at the time. All owners including UNDINA?s first, Roddy Williams are reported to have declared the yachts to be very fast, comfortable and seaworthy.
Her large cockpit is another notable feature, typical of many American fifties yachts, and a comfortable asset for a large crew. Her sheer is elegant, with a well-balanced coach roof and deckhouse. Her rig and sail plan is well proportioned and simple for both single handed cruising and efficient racing with a fair aspect ratio of 2.3. Compared with English yachts of this era, UNDINA has a broader beam at 11 ft 9 in - making for a hull of considerable initial stability and offsetting the effect of the comparatively shallow draft.
Fitted out to race to CIM specifications for the classic regatta circuit in the Med, she is authentic in every way and now with hank on sails she has a very competitive handicap.
HISTORY
Built for Roddy Williams long time Mayor of Hamilton Bermuda, She was the first ocean racing yacht to be built abroad for a Bermudian. To this day she bears her original sail number KB 1, passed on by former owner Warren Browne, he having also sailed as crew in the 1950s. In 1984 she came into the possession of Ross Gannon who with Nat Benjamin founded the Gannon and Benjamin (wooden) boat yard on Martha's Vineyard. In the nine years of his ownership Ross converted her rig from a 7/8 fractional to masthead sloop and transformed the dilapidated cosmetic state in which he found her, albeit her original structural design and make up was sound.
Living on board, in due course Ross advertised her for sale and her seductive shape caught the eye of Tim Blackman, who in a joint venture with Mart Coad, purchased her in 1993. Ross prepared her for the voyage and an amateur crew from the UK flew over to sail her back.
She crossed to Lymington in 28 days but with the recession biting hard in 1994, the decision was made to put her on the market. John Swansborough bought and kept her on the East coast maintaining her fine condition.
In 2001 up for sale once more, Griff Rhys-Jones' family were introduced to UNDINA. Having looked at every wooden yacht available up and down the East coast Griff found nothing to match her - so a deal was done. He commissioned the Staley yard at Faversham to give her a refit over that winter and she was to emerge in beautiful condition the following spring. Griff then sailed UNDINA across the North Sea and through the Kiel Canal to the Flensburg Classic Regatta, where she was the only British yacht participating, before cruising through the Baltic to St Petersburg and back to Helsinki. This trip is recorded in his book ?To the Baltic with Bob?. Since then she has been something of a star on screen thanks to Griff?s enthusiastic impressions of ?Three men in a boat? and thereafter ? some cold English summers later - he has cruised and raced this ?drop dead gorgeous boat? in the warmer waters of the Med. Indeed during this season she has took a series of firsts to win the Classic Division at the Marseilles Les Voiles du Vieux Port Regatta.
CONSTRUCTION
Carvel built of mahogany planking over teak frames with a shoal draft keel she was built to a high standard of finish. All her fastenings are bronze, as is the centre board and centre board truck. She has a conventional long keel displacement hull form with a lead ballast keel. The rudder is hung the full depth of the vessel.
DECK LAYOUT
UNDINA has a large cockpit with side seats the same level as the main decking and deep lockers beneath on both sides. Her wheel and chromed compass binnacle are special for a yacht of this size. Well positioned primary and secondary winches along with 2 mainsheet winches enable UNDINA to be sailed hard with her racing crew but moreover; easily cruised under full sail by two people.
Aft the main sheet traveller is large lazarette used for storage of sheets and warps and vented by a chromed dorade.
Moving forward, UNDINA?s side decks are clean and wide - the broad beam apparent on deck as well as below. Her trunk cabin and all deck joinery is of teak. The well balanced trunk cabin has two teak deckhead hatches, two dorades aft mounted on teak boxes and two deck light prisms.
The forward end of the trunk cabin is slightly toed in and mounts another elegant dorade and box venting the forward cabin ? as does a further access hatch in the foredeck Elegant teak boxes either side of the dorade contain gas bottles.
REFIT WORKS
2003 ? 2006: A major refit by Peter Heller Kastrup. Hull splined, teak deck completely lifted, recycled and relaid ? effectively leak free, coach roof taken apart and reassembled, new electrics, new engine, hydraulic steering fitted, new stanchions, new stainless anchor mounting
2007: Shotley: Cockpit seating refitted, new stainless binnacle mounting
2008-9: Classic Works. Planking, epoxy work, interior work
2010: Painted topsides as well as cove line and name in new gold leaf.
This Philip Rhodes 45 ft Bermudan Sloop 1953 has been viewed 3372 times
£230,000 GBP
Tax / VAT status: Paid / Included £230,000 GBP (for guidance only)
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General information
Make/model Philip Rhodes 45 ft Bermudan Sloop 1953
Name of boat UNDINA
Year of manufacture 1953
Length overall 13.72 metres
Length waterline 10.36 metres
Beam 3.35 metres
Draft 1.52 metres
Displacement 17,882 kg
Hull Mahogany plank on teak Carvel
Keel Long Keel
Location United Kingdom
Change units of measure
Propulsion
Engine 1 x Vetus
Engine hours 366
Fuel Diesel
Change units of measure
Accommodation
Number of cabins 2
Number of berths 7
Description
Philip Rhodes 45 ft Bermudan Sloop 1953
BROKERS COMMENTS
Built in 1953 by Abeking & Rasmussen to a design by Philip L Rhodes - one of America's leading yacht designers of the period UNDINA is of special interest as a shoal draft yacht ? a superb example of his centre board hull with a 5 ft 6 in draft increasing to 8 ft 6 in with the centre board lowered. Seven sister ships were built but the combination of Rhodes design and A&R was considered the best at the time. All owners including UNDINA?s first, Roddy Williams are reported to have declared the yachts to be very fast, comfortable and seaworthy.
Her large cockpit is another notable feature, typical of many American fifties yachts, and a comfortable asset for a large crew. Her sheer is elegant, with a well-balanced coach roof and deckhouse. Her rig and sail plan is well proportioned and simple for both single handed cruising and efficient racing with a fair aspect ratio of 2.3. Compared with English yachts of this era, UNDINA has a broader beam at 11 ft 9 in - making for a hull of considerable initial stability and offsetting the effect of the comparatively shallow draft.
Fitted out to race to CIM specifications for the classic regatta circuit in the Med, she is authentic in every way and now with hank on sails she has a very competitive handicap.
HISTORY
Built for Roddy Williams long time Mayor of Hamilton Bermuda, She was the first ocean racing yacht to be built abroad for a Bermudian. To this day she bears her original sail number KB 1, passed on by former owner Warren Browne, he having also sailed as crew in the 1950s. In 1984 she came into the possession of Ross Gannon who with Nat Benjamin founded the Gannon and Benjamin (wooden) boat yard on Martha's Vineyard. In the nine years of his ownership Ross converted her rig from a 7/8 fractional to masthead sloop and transformed the dilapidated cosmetic state in which he found her, albeit her original structural design and make up was sound.
Living on board, in due course Ross advertised her for sale and her seductive shape caught the eye of Tim Blackman, who in a joint venture with Mart Coad, purchased her in 1993. Ross prepared her for the voyage and an amateur crew from the UK flew over to sail her back.
She crossed to Lymington in 28 days but with the recession biting hard in 1994, the decision was made to put her on the market. John Swansborough bought and kept her on the East coast maintaining her fine condition.
In 2001 up for sale once more, Griff Rhys-Jones' family were introduced to UNDINA. Having looked at every wooden yacht available up and down the East coast Griff found nothing to match her - so a deal was done. He commissioned the Staley yard at Faversham to give her a refit over that winter and she was to emerge in beautiful condition the following spring. Griff then sailed UNDINA across the North Sea and through the Kiel Canal to the Flensburg Classic Regatta, where she was the only British yacht participating, before cruising through the Baltic to St Petersburg and back to Helsinki. This trip is recorded in his book ?To the Baltic with Bob?. Since then she has been something of a star on screen thanks to Griff?s enthusiastic impressions of ?Three men in a boat? and thereafter ? some cold English summers later - he has cruised and raced this ?drop dead gorgeous boat? in the warmer waters of the Med. Indeed during this season she has took a series of firsts to win the Classic Division at the Marseilles Les Voiles du Vieux Port Regatta.
CONSTRUCTION
Carvel built of mahogany planking over teak frames with a shoal draft keel she was built to a high standard of finish. All her fastenings are bronze, as is the centre board and centre board truck. She has a conventional long keel displacement hull form with a lead ballast keel. The rudder is hung the full depth of the vessel.
DECK LAYOUT
UNDINA has a large cockpit with side seats the same level as the main decking and deep lockers beneath on both sides. Her wheel and chromed compass binnacle are special for a yacht of this size. Well positioned primary and secondary winches along with 2 mainsheet winches enable UNDINA to be sailed hard with her racing crew but moreover; easily cruised under full sail by two people.
Aft the main sheet traveller is large lazarette used for storage of sheets and warps and vented by a chromed dorade.
Moving forward, UNDINA?s side decks are clean and wide - the broad beam apparent on deck as well as below. Her trunk cabin and all deck joinery is of teak. The well balanced trunk cabin has two teak deckhead hatches, two dorades aft mounted on teak boxes and two deck light prisms.
The forward end of the trunk cabin is slightly toed in and mounts another elegant dorade and box venting the forward cabin ? as does a further access hatch in the foredeck Elegant teak boxes either side of the dorade contain gas bottles.
REFIT WORKS
2003 ? 2006: A major refit by Peter Heller Kastrup. Hull splined, teak deck completely lifted, recycled and relaid ? effectively leak free, coach roof taken apart and reassembled, new electrics, new engine, hydraulic steering fitted, new stanchions, new stainless anchor mounting
2007: Shotley: Cockpit seating refitted, new stainless binnacle mounting
2008-9: Classic Works. Planking, epoxy work, interior work
2010: Painted topsides as well as cove line and name in new gold leaf.
This Philip Rhodes 45 ft Bermudan Sloop 1953 has been viewed 3372 times
It's a nice boat, and currently for sale: http://uk.yachtworld.com/boats/1953/Philip-Rhodes-...
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