Closing all rail crossings in suffolk
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30859201
It looks like Network Rail still going for 'the only safe crossing is a closed crossing' when everyone knows a closed crossing isn't a crossing at all.
Is it only like road junctions or bends? Some are safe and have no accidents, others have a history.
Whatever happens the newer risk of taking another route shouldn't be greater than the risk a crossing has previously demonstrated.
If it's low risk and saves a journey of x miles to go to your local shop just across the line, isn't it better to keep it? How do you value convenience?
It looks like Network Rail still going for 'the only safe crossing is a closed crossing' when everyone knows a closed crossing isn't a crossing at all.
Is it only like road junctions or bends? Some are safe and have no accidents, others have a history.
Whatever happens the newer risk of taking another route shouldn't be greater than the risk a crossing has previously demonstrated.
If it's low risk and saves a journey of x miles to go to your local shop just across the line, isn't it better to keep it? How do you value convenience?
Simpo Two said:
It's also a case of not having to slow down and therefore being able to claim faster journey times/more targets met. The best answer, having proper gates, is too expensive, so this is what happens when an industry is run for profit.
No, this is what happens in the compensation culture that we have imported form the USA where claims are being made by idiots who misuse level crossings and then blame the railway for it.That said, there have been one or two instances where Network Rails maintenance procedures have indeed fallen short and people have been killed on crossings for one reason or another. This is the way that they are currently trying to deal with the problem - close every bleedin' level crossing in sight.
Whether they will actually manage to close "every level crossing in Suffolk" is, however, another matter. Network Rail cannot simply decide that this crossing or that crossing will close next Monday - there are public rights of way over them and there is a procedure to go through to either extinguish a right of way and/or to provide an alternative route.
I confidently expect that my grand-children's grandchildren will still be using railway level crossings in some parts of the country.
I agree that Darwin should be allowed to have his say, and that if someone ventures onto a railway crossing without looking and gets splattered, too bad. But a spokesman for the railways distinctly said that closing level crossings would allow their trains to go faster because currently they have to slow down for them.
Whatever happens, I expect millions of pounds of taxpayer's money and millions of working hours will be spent bickering over it.
Whatever happens, I expect millions of pounds of taxpayer's money and millions of working hours will be spent bickering over it.
It's always NR's fault
The driver thought they'd nip over as they'd done it twenty times before. The pedestrian thought they knew the timetable and sauntered over. It's never their fault is it? Its a f
king train - you know EXACTLY where it's going to run.
NR can't "win" - I can't blame them. Close the crossing and they can't be held accountable.
The driver thought they'd nip over as they'd done it twenty times before. The pedestrian thought they knew the timetable and sauntered over. It's never their fault is it? Its a f
king train - you know EXACTLY where it's going to run. NR can't "win" - I can't blame them. Close the crossing and they can't be held accountable.
They might be right about speed.
I'm not sure but I think they've been putting train signal lights leading up to a local crossing that are red unless the barriers are down
It might be something to do with
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-22076...
I'm not sure but I think they've been putting train signal lights leading up to a local crossing that are red unless the barriers are down
It might be something to do with
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-22076...
beeb said:
Richard Schofield, Network Rail route managing director, said new technology used radar to detect whether any people or cars were on the crossing before the barriers were lowered.
Barriers may stop (nearly all) cars, but people will still duck under the barrier given a chance. I'm well up for Darwinism, if they are stupid enough to argue with a train, they should get splattered.
I had someone do exactly this to me the other night, it was a pretty wide crossing (6 tracks), and I was approaching slowly. I had a red signal after the crossing, so was only doing about 15 mph. I was being stopped to let a passenger train get in front, this had cleared the crossing and between them and me someone ran across!
I was slowing anyway, but if I wasn't it could have been worse. Freight trains don't stop quick, even from slow speed, not with several hundred tons behind you.
What made me most angry was the fact there is a foot bridge there. Obviously too lazy to walk up some steps, they'd rather risk it on the crossing, and also argue with a train and the barriers - they are a pretty snug fit.
And it would have ruined my day.
I had someone do exactly this to me the other night, it was a pretty wide crossing (6 tracks), and I was approaching slowly. I had a red signal after the crossing, so was only doing about 15 mph. I was being stopped to let a passenger train get in front, this had cleared the crossing and between them and me someone ran across!
I was slowing anyway, but if I wasn't it could have been worse. Freight trains don't stop quick, even from slow speed, not with several hundred tons behind you.
What made me most angry was the fact there is a foot bridge there. Obviously too lazy to walk up some steps, they'd rather risk it on the crossing, and also argue with a train and the barriers - they are a pretty snug fit.
And it would have ruined my day.
Edited by RB5Bird on Sunday 18th January 07:46
Nine people died nationally at level crossings in 2012 - 2013. It's not a high risk in the general scheme of things, so must be an undeclared but very obvious profit motives behind this proposal.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/...
See how dangerous UK crossings are relative to the rest of Europe!
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/...
See how dangerous UK crossings are relative to the rest of Europe!
I used a path recently when walking my dog that crossed a train line. It was on a public footpath and just a gate with a warning sign on it before you crossed the track.
I thought it was quite refreshing that it was up to me when I crossed the track.
Shows how nannying the country has become that people are surprised they can cross a train track without barriers and lights or elevated walkways.
I thought it was quite refreshing that it was up to me when I crossed the track.
Shows how nannying the country has become that people are surprised they can cross a train track without barriers and lights or elevated walkways.
el stovey said:
I used a path recently when walking my dog that crossed a train line. It was on a public footpath and just a gate with a warning sign on it before you crossed the track.
I thought it was quite refreshing that it was up to me when I crossed the track.
Shows how nannying the country has become that people are surprised they can cross a train track without barriers and lights or elevated walkways.
Those are the ones that are under threat. What would you do if it was closed?I thought it was quite refreshing that it was up to me when I crossed the track.
Shows how nannying the country has become that people are surprised they can cross a train track without barriers and lights or elevated walkways.
saaby93 said:
el stovey said:
I used a path recently when walking my dog that crossed a train line. It was on a public footpath and just a gate with a warning sign on it before you crossed the track.
I thought it was quite refreshing that it was up to me when I crossed the track.
Shows how nannying the country has become that people are surprised they can cross a train track without barriers and lights or elevated walkways.
Those are the ones that are under threat. What would you do if it was closed?I thought it was quite refreshing that it was up to me when I crossed the track.
Shows how nannying the country has become that people are surprised they can cross a train track without barriers and lights or elevated walkways.
V8 Fettler said:
Nine people died nationally at level crossings in 2012 - 2013. It's not a high risk in the general scheme of things, so must be an undeclared but very obvious profit motives behind this proposal.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/...
See how dangerous UK crossings are relative to the rest of Europe!
Typical! We are best in Europe (Luxembourg doesn't count) yet we still beat ourselves up over it and hours of local news is dedicated to bleating about it and various tards get dragged out for interview to bleat too. Why don't we congratulate ourselves instead and move onto something more important?http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/...
See how dangerous UK crossings are relative to the rest of Europe!
saaby93 said:
el stovey said:
I used a path recently when walking my dog that crossed a train line. It was on a public footpath and just a gate with a warning sign on it before you crossed the track.
I thought it was quite refreshing that it was up to me when I crossed the track.
Shows how nannying the country has become that people are surprised they can cross a train track without barriers and lights or elevated walkways.
Those are the ones that are under threat. What would you do if it was closed?I thought it was quite refreshing that it was up to me when I crossed the track.
Shows how nannying the country has become that people are surprised they can cross a train track without barriers and lights or elevated walkways.
like the umpteen track crossings on smaller stations that have been replaced with accessbiel footbridges as part of station upgrades you mean ?
like the re-provision of a footbridge at Lincoln High st crossing in advance of the pedestrianisation of that stretch of the
High st ...
saaby93 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30859201
It looks like Network Rail still going for 'the only safe crossing is a closed crossing' when everyone knows a closed crossing isn't a crossing at all.
Is it only like road junctions or bends? Some are safe and have no accidents, others have a history.
Whatever happens the newer risk of taking another route shouldn't be greater than the risk a crossing has previously demonstrated.
If it's low risk and saves a journey of x miles to go to your local shop just across the line, isn't it better to keep it? How do you value convenience?
Why the stupid Daily Mail style thread title?It looks like Network Rail still going for 'the only safe crossing is a closed crossing' when everyone knows a closed crossing isn't a crossing at all.
Is it only like road junctions or bends? Some are safe and have no accidents, others have a history.
Whatever happens the newer risk of taking another route shouldn't be greater than the risk a crossing has previously demonstrated.
If it's low risk and saves a journey of x miles to go to your local shop just across the line, isn't it better to keep it? How do you value convenience?
Where does it say that all crossing are going to be shut?
Read the article you linked to. There are 87 crossing in Suffolk, of which 20 are 'under threat'. The bloke from Network rail said on the news that those under threat would be assessed, and provisions may be made (bridge or underpass) if the demand warranted it.
Not quite the apocalypse you'd have us believe.
Simpo Two said:
Typical! We are best in Europe (Luxembourg doesn't count) yet we still beat ourselves up over it and hours of local news is dedicated to bleating about it and various tards get dragged out for interview to bleat too. Why don't we congratulate ourselves instead and move onto something more important?
Luxembourg indeed doesn't count - their network is just 274km so it's likely that their result isn't statistically significant. The problem is of course that one death is still very sad, especially when the answer to the question is available - building bridges and tunnels. It's expensive, but there you go.
eccles said:
Why the stupid Daily Mail style thread title?
Where does it say that all crossing are going to be shut?
Read the article you linked to. There are 87 crossing in Suffolk, of which 20 are 'under threat'. The bloke from Network rail said on the news that those under threat would be assessed, and provisions may be made (bridge or underpass) if the demand warranted it.
Not quite the apocalypse you'd have us believe.
yes it is bit daily wail - hadnt realised Where does it say that all crossing are going to be shut?
Read the article you linked to. There are 87 crossing in Suffolk, of which 20 are 'under threat'. The bloke from Network rail said on the news that those under threat would be assessed, and provisions may be made (bridge or underpass) if the demand warranted it.
Not quite the apocalypse you'd have us believe.
How did 'all' creep in there
Maybe theyre changing tack but there are big numbers involved
http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2014/01/21-network-...
article said:
company has pledged that it will close another 500 crossings im the next five year control period, which starts in April
These arent necessarily crossings that are unsafe, they're trying to close all of them because some might be unsafe.There's a report somewhere where the guy turning up to assess the safety of a crossing arrived on a motorbike so outweighing any safety concerns of using the crossing.
If the crossing is convenient ( why else would it be there) and risk is minimal why not keep it open?
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/level_crossing_c...
Edited by saaby93 on Sunday 18th January 12:34
saaby93 said:
eccles said:
Why the stupid Daily Mail style thread title?
Where does it say that all crossing are going to be shut?
Read the article you linked to. There are 87 crossing in Suffolk, of which 20 are 'under threat'. The bloke from Network rail said on the news that those under threat would be assessed, and provisions may be made (bridge or underpass) if the demand warranted it.
Not quite the apocalypse you'd have us believe.
yes it is bit daily wail - hadnt realised Where does it say that all crossing are going to be shut?
Read the article you linked to. There are 87 crossing in Suffolk, of which 20 are 'under threat'. The bloke from Network rail said on the news that those under threat would be assessed, and provisions may be made (bridge or underpass) if the demand warranted it.
Not quite the apocalypse you'd have us believe.
How did 'all' creep in there
Maybe theyre changing tack but there are big numbers involved
http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2014/01/21-network-...
article said:
company has pledged that it will close another 500 crossings im the next five year control period, which starts in April
These arent necessarily crossings that are unsafe, they're trying to close all of them because some might be unsafe.There's a report somewhere where the guy turning up to assess the safety of a crossing arrived on a motorbike so outweighing any safety concerns of using the crossing.
If the crossing is convenient ( why else would it be there) and risk is minimal why not keep it open?
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/level_crossing_c...
And the bloke from NR did say on the news last night that they'd look at providing other means of crossing if possible.
Simple'ish way to make road crossings safer, the motorist has nobody to blame but themselves then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPt7bASfsGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPt7bASfsGs
Have a pedestrian crossing near the parents and as a child was well trained to look both ways and listen, if you could hear the rail making a noise but couldn't see the train I wouldn't cross as my parents said you could trip.
I'm still here. We used to have once a year the rail company come and give lectures at school on rail safety. Does that still happen?
I'm still here. We used to have once a year the rail company come and give lectures at school on rail safety. Does that still happen?
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