Three Men in Another Boat
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Not a bad guess, although I guess everything depends on condition.
Here is her sister ship for sale:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1645188/0
I would have gone for that Beneteau instead!
Here is her sister ship for sale:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1645188/0
I would have gone for that Beneteau instead!
I would also think depending on design and builder somewhere £140-£200,000 , thing we these is if somebody falls in love with it ,it can go for good money .
Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends in anything but very light airs
Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends in anything but very light airs
Edited by Rum Runner on Thursday 3rd January 16:48
Rum Runner said:
I would also think depending on design and builder somewhere £140-£200,000 , thing we these is if somebody falls in love with it ,it can go for good money .
Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends
You can fly with 4 crew easily. I do a lot of double handed inshore racing & we are almost as quick around the corners as a fully crewed boat. The only leg we lose time on is the beat, as we don't have the weight on the rail, so lose 5 - 7 degrees on similar boats...Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends
Edited by Rum Runner on Wednesday 2nd January 17:38
littlegreenfairy said:
Thought this programme was a very poor show and didn't reflect well on the sport at all. They were incompetant at the best, and at the worst down right dangerous.
Stunning shots of the sea though
I am with you there LGF. I had to turn over, as GRJ was pissing me off something chronic with his glib approachStunning shots of the sea though
I enjoyed it. They were supposed to be incompetent - that was the whole point.
It was all just for telly; according to the forums at YBW, the BBC was not as incompetent as the crew - eg a professional delivery crew sailed the boat from London to Cowes, not the 'three men'.
It was all just for telly; according to the forums at YBW, the BBC was not as incompetent as the crew - eg a professional delivery crew sailed the boat from London to Cowes, not the 'three men'.
Edited by Mahatma Bag on Thursday 3rd January 09:24
Not being a sailor, I enjoyed it very much. I can see how it could have annoyed the sailing fraternity, but I thought it represeneted the sport well to wannbies. And I suppose its generally healthy to attract people to any sport.
Unless youre over-protective about it.
Thought he weas wrong throwing the paper into the water last night though!
Unless youre over-protective about it.
Thought he weas wrong throwing the paper into the water last night though!
Schmalex said:
Rum Runner said:
I would also think depending on design and builder somewhere £140-£200,000 , thing we these is if somebody falls in love with it ,it can go for good money .
Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends
You can fly with 4 crew easily. I do a lot of double handed inshore racing & we are almost as quick around the corners as a fully crewed boat. The only leg we lose time on is the beat, as we don't have the weight on the rail, so lose 5 - 7 degrees on similar boats...Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends
Edited by Rum Runner on Wednesday 2nd January 17:38
As it turns out it was a cruising shoot so easy , there is now way you can put in a top performance on a 50ft masthead (spinnaker) classic boat with 4 crew. It would be a shambles especially if anything other than very light airs. Just remember a kite of this size would need lazy sheets and guys and dip pole gybe and by my reckoning that's nowhere near enough people .
Rum Runner said:
Schmalex said:
Rum Runner said:
I would also think depending on design and builder somewhere £140-£200,000 , thing we these is if somebody falls in love with it ,it can go for good money .
Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends
You can fly with 4 crew easily. I do a lot of double handed inshore racing & we are almost as quick around the corners as a fully crewed boat. The only leg we lose time on is the beat, as we don't have the weight on the rail, so lose 5 - 7 degrees on similar boats...Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends
Edited by Rum Runner on Wednesday 2nd January 17:38
As it turns out it was a cruising shoot so easy , there is now way you can put in a top performance on a 50ft masthead (spinnaker) classic boat with 4 crew. It would be a shambles especially if anything other than very light airs. Just remember a kite of this size would need lazy sheets and guys and dip pole gybe and by my reckoning that's nowhere near enough people .
To gybe you need:
1. mastman to trip inside end of pole.
2. bowman to take pole around and clip in new guy.
3. Pit to lower / raise pole with uphaul/downhaul
4. helm to steer through gybe and keep hold of sheets until (2) can get back and take over
Easy peasy.
Mahatma Bag said:
Rum Runner said:
Schmalex said:
Rum Runner said:
I would also think depending on design and builder somewhere £140-£200,000 , thing we these is if somebody falls in love with it ,it can go for good money .
Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends
You can fly with 4 crew easily. I do a lot of double handed inshore racing & we are almost as quick around the corners as a fully crewed boat. The only leg we lose time on is the beat, as we don't have the weight on the rail, so lose 5 - 7 degrees on similar boats...Although not for me ,nice to see in such condition.
Mmmmmm racing a with 4 crew , good luck and flying the kite !!.Barely possible if they where all legends
Edited by Rum Runner on Wednesday 2nd January 17:38
As it turns out it was a cruising shoot so easy , there is now way you can put in a top performance on a 50ft masthead (spinnaker) classic boat with 4 crew. It would be a shambles especially if anything other than very light airs. Just remember a kite of this size would need lazy sheets and guys and dip pole gybe and by my reckoning that's nowhere near enough people .
To gybe you need:
1. mastman to trip inside end of pole.
2. bowman to take pole around and clip in new guy.
3. Pit to lower / raise pole with uphaul/downhaul
4. helm to steer through gybe and keep hold of sheets until (2) can get back and take over
Easy peasy.
Helm: Steers the boat & trims the kite on the sheets
Crew: Gybes the spinnaker pole onto the new lazy guy (no need to worry about topping the uphaul etc)
Both: Then gybe the main & kite
The reason why you can sail 2 handed almost as quick as fully crewed is all about communication. When there are 2 of you on the boat, both are generally pretty competent (I have raced with my 2 handed colleague for over 15 years doing short handed, fully crewed, inshore, offshore, so we know exactly how each of us sail). Look at the average, say 38ft, race boat on the Solent on an average day & out of the 8/9 people crewing it, generally there are only 3 or 4 people who really understand what is going on. Therefore, by carrying so much baggage mistakes tend to happen quickly & the boat goes slowly.
Mahatma - you trim main. How many times on breezy days do you stop worrying about making the boat go fast & start worrying that the muppets in the middle are going to stick their head up at the wrong moment & lose it?
That is why 2 handed with 2 good racing sailors is often very nearly as quick as fully crewed
No Sorry , I have raced all over inshore offshore with one of the best teams we raced with 7-8 was min for good performance and generally 10-12 on 40ft . All raced together for 8 years and every weekend just about, and won plenty .You have a slight mistake with 4 and you have a cock up wont be able to recover , good luck on the kite drops .
All in all it depends on the position of winches extra , steer and fly the kite again this in a lumpy sea and a decent wind , if you did its slow , and add a crowed mark rounding , on a slow turning long keeler..with probably many turns of wheel needed as probably low geared .
If you need so little people to make a boat sail so well then why do Americas cup boats have so many crew . Everybody has one jobs and do it properly .
Old boats also tend to be undergear when it comes to deck equipment and crew power is needed . I have raced 120ft classics and i can tell you that you need plenty for just about every single job.
I agree about to many people not knowing what they are doing , but a crew with plenty that do is a well oiled machine .
I like to know if your kite is mast head and your boats 50ft with a good stick height, because if it was your view would be very different if you are working with basic deck layout and set up.
All in all it depends on the position of winches extra , steer and fly the kite again this in a lumpy sea and a decent wind , if you did its slow , and add a crowed mark rounding , on a slow turning long keeler..with probably many turns of wheel needed as probably low geared .
If you need so little people to make a boat sail so well then why do Americas cup boats have so many crew . Everybody has one jobs and do it properly .
Old boats also tend to be undergear when it comes to deck equipment and crew power is needed . I have raced 120ft classics and i can tell you that you need plenty for just about every single job.
I agree about to many people not knowing what they are doing , but a crew with plenty that do is a well oiled machine .
I like to know if your kite is mast head and your boats 50ft with a good stick height, because if it was your view would be very different if you are working with basic deck layout and set up.
Rum Runner said:
No Sorry , I have raced all over inshore offshore with one of the best teams we raced with 7-8 was min for good performance and generally 10-12 on 40ft . All raced together for 8 years and every weekend just about, and won plenty .You have a slight mistake with 4 and you have a cock up wont be able to recover , good luck on the kite drops .
All in all it depends on the position of winches extra , steer and fly the kite again this in a lumpy sea and a decent wind , if you did its slow , and add a crowed mark rounding , on a slow turning long keeler..with probably many turns of wheel needed as probably low geared .
If you need so little people to make a boat sail so well then why do Americas cup boats have so many crew . Everybody has one jobs and do it properly .
Old boats also tend to be undergear when it comes to deck equipment and crew power is needed . I have raced 120ft classics and i can tell you that you need plenty for just about every single job.
I agree about to many people not knowing what they are doing , but a crew with plenty that do is a well oiled machine .
I like to know if your kite is mast head and your boats 50ft with a good stick height, because if it was your view would be very different if you are working with basic deck layout and set up.
So, we violently agree!! With a fully experienced crew, who have sailed together for long period of time, the race boat runs like clockwork, really is damned fast & is a true joy to compete in. Hence why the AC boats train together for what, 2 / 3 years before the event to ensure that everything runs perfectly (+ they are individually truly world class racing sailors!). I was merely making a comparison between a boat run by 2 good sailors & a boat run by 7/8 people with whom only 2 or 3 really know what is going on (& more importantly what will happen next!)All in all it depends on the position of winches extra , steer and fly the kite again this in a lumpy sea and a decent wind , if you did its slow , and add a crowed mark rounding , on a slow turning long keeler..with probably many turns of wheel needed as probably low geared .
If you need so little people to make a boat sail so well then why do Americas cup boats have so many crew . Everybody has one jobs and do it properly .
Old boats also tend to be undergear when it comes to deck equipment and crew power is needed . I have raced 120ft classics and i can tell you that you need plenty for just about every single job.
I agree about to many people not knowing what they are doing , but a crew with plenty that do is a well oiled machine .
I like to know if your kite is mast head and your boats 50ft with a good stick height, because if it was your view would be very different if you are working with basic deck layout and set up.
Obiwonkeyblokey said:
Not being a sailor, I enjoyed it very much. I can see how it could have annoyed the sailing fraternity, but I thought it represeneted the sport well to wannbies. And I suppose its generally healthy to attract people to any sport.
Unless youre over-protective about it.
Thought he weas wrong throwing the paper into the water last night though!
It will upset many yotties because they generally take themselves and their sport far too seriously anyway, as a quick wander round the RYS, CCYC or the RLYC in my home town will attest! I particularly like the Sunday sailors parading up Cowes High Street in mid-summer in their perfectly matching oilies despite the hot sun, in order to prove how arduous the 3 mile sail (mostly under power!) was across the light chop from Hamble! Unless youre over-protective about it.
Thought he weas wrong throwing the paper into the water last night though!
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