Tesco - new alcohol policy
Discussion
I knew two princes once. I lost contact with them years ago, Alphonse and Daniel, as I recall they had an argument about buying fresher foods, farm foods, and buying processed food. Alphonse said that all people who shop in the larger supermarkets buy only processed food. They didn't know how to cook and could only buy and reheat processed food. Daniel disagreed with him and asked Alphonse what he ate.
Alphonse said that he ran around and purchased goods from farms, as he had plenty of time to spare. This benefited the poorer classes of his community by purchasing their fresh produce. After his shopping he returned (on his prestige horse), to his 6 bedroom mock Tudor mansion! Where he said "I then cook my own recipes, with fresh ingredients!"
Daniel sat thoughtfully for a moment and then asked, "I am a prince too, I live in a city, the nearest farm to me is twenty miles away. Is it more convenient to ride my nice looking horse to the nearest supermarket 2 miles down the road. Or should I ride my horse on a 40 mile round trip to gather my provisions, horse feeds not cheap you know!"
Alphonse replied "Well you don't want to eat that rubbish do you, you may as well spend the extra on horse feed. It's no problem when you've got money to burn!"
"Ahh", said Daniel, "I can buy all I want, more or less, fresh from my local supermarket, but when did you last see a supermarket? Things have changed since the old days of the corner shop in the 1470's. They now stock things like exotic fruit, ginger, and spices. Things you would have never imagined; the mystical fruit ba-na-na, exquisite tastes of pine-apple, things from the far eastern worlds, like noodles, and the exquisite jaffa-cake"
Alphonse said "I must go and seek out the wonderful treasures that these mystical supermarkets hold. I will go at once." He climbed into his prestige steed and was about to set of on his mighty quest when suddenly Daniel ran up and rapped on his arm and said...
"OK, but be careful of all the Chav's and Hooodies"
Alphonse said that he ran around and purchased goods from farms, as he had plenty of time to spare. This benefited the poorer classes of his community by purchasing their fresh produce. After his shopping he returned (on his prestige horse), to his 6 bedroom mock Tudor mansion! Where he said "I then cook my own recipes, with fresh ingredients!"
Daniel sat thoughtfully for a moment and then asked, "I am a prince too, I live in a city, the nearest farm to me is twenty miles away. Is it more convenient to ride my nice looking horse to the nearest supermarket 2 miles down the road. Or should I ride my horse on a 40 mile round trip to gather my provisions, horse feeds not cheap you know!"
Alphonse replied "Well you don't want to eat that rubbish do you, you may as well spend the extra on horse feed. It's no problem when you've got money to burn!"
"Ahh", said Daniel, "I can buy all I want, more or less, fresh from my local supermarket, but when did you last see a supermarket? Things have changed since the old days of the corner shop in the 1470's. They now stock things like exotic fruit, ginger, and spices. Things you would have never imagined; the mystical fruit ba-na-na, exquisite tastes of pine-apple, things from the far eastern worlds, like noodles, and the exquisite jaffa-cake"
Alphonse said "I must go and seek out the wonderful treasures that these mystical supermarkets hold. I will go at once." He climbed into his prestige steed and was about to set of on his mighty quest when suddenly Daniel ran up and rapped on his arm and said...
"OK, but be careful of all the Chav's and Hooodies"
Edited by Rabbitinthelight on Thursday 18th June 04:53
Slothario said:
FoolOnTheHill said:
Do you also eat processed goo?
Also ? What, as in, as well as yourself ?No. If you read back a bit I told you that I use Lidl/Aldi for fruit and veg, rice and pasta etc.
I don't do goo.
Goo I don't do.
Just read this pi$$ boiler on another forum. Why can't people use discretion?
I would be interested to hear of peoples views on an incident in Tesco’s last night, which I believe to totally pathetic!
My son, daughter & sons girlfriend visited Tescos in Kidderminster at 11:30 last night. They bought goods which included an “18” certificate DVD. At the checkout the cashier asked my daughter (who was obviously the purchaser) for proof of ID, fair enough so she showed said proof (she’s 18), the cashier then asked my son for proof (he’s 19), he asked why & was told it’s company policy, so he showed his ID, so then she asked his girlfriend who had none with her, but ironically was the eldest there at 20, the cashier refused to sell the DVD as “one of your party, in my opinion, appears to look under 25!! WTF.
Being young & not wanting to make a scene, (personally, I would have left all of the shopping & left the store) they left the DVD, paid & returned home. They got home told me the story & upon checking the receipt realised that they had been charged for the DVD.
I returned with them to the store (it’s now past midnight & I am not amused, 24 mile round trip), got to see the duty manager who thoroughly backed up the cashier’s stance. I then said to save the hassle of refunds (paid by card), we will take the DVD, “no way, he says, as you have been refused once, we cannot allow the goods to be sold without proof of ID of the 20 year old”, “but I am now here, aged 55”, makes no difference, you may be buying for her”, bearing in mind that the DVD was a “teen movie” & not some porn film or a couple of cases of cheap lager.
I obviously started an argument (as you do) & asked if I returned later with my wife & a 10 year old, would they refuse to sell me “adult” goods as I would obviously be with a minor. Possibly was his reply!!!!!
There was no apology or suggestion that they had been somewhat OTT, I made the point that possibly an element of discretion should be made in these situations, he disagreed (pathetic little muppet). He kept spouting the law, I kept repeating that to sell "adult" goods to an adult IMO was not infringing any law whatsoever even if the adult is (possibly) accompanied by a minor, he again disagreed.
I did record some of the conversation for future reference & informed him I was doing so.So if shopping in Tescos & purchasing "adult" material, make sure a) you have ID if you (in their opinion) look under 25 & b) that you do not take minors with you.
So, what to do now?. I have little or no time for Tescos at the best of times & avoid the place like the plague, but I feel like doing something, other than my usual habit of using their car park (& not their store) for more than 2 hours, just to get a "ticket" from Euro Parking!
I would be interested to hear of peoples views on an incident in Tesco’s last night, which I believe to totally pathetic!
My son, daughter & sons girlfriend visited Tescos in Kidderminster at 11:30 last night. They bought goods which included an “18” certificate DVD. At the checkout the cashier asked my daughter (who was obviously the purchaser) for proof of ID, fair enough so she showed said proof (she’s 18), the cashier then asked my son for proof (he’s 19), he asked why & was told it’s company policy, so he showed his ID, so then she asked his girlfriend who had none with her, but ironically was the eldest there at 20, the cashier refused to sell the DVD as “one of your party, in my opinion, appears to look under 25!! WTF.
Being young & not wanting to make a scene, (personally, I would have left all of the shopping & left the store) they left the DVD, paid & returned home. They got home told me the story & upon checking the receipt realised that they had been charged for the DVD.
I returned with them to the store (it’s now past midnight & I am not amused, 24 mile round trip), got to see the duty manager who thoroughly backed up the cashier’s stance. I then said to save the hassle of refunds (paid by card), we will take the DVD, “no way, he says, as you have been refused once, we cannot allow the goods to be sold without proof of ID of the 20 year old”, “but I am now here, aged 55”, makes no difference, you may be buying for her”, bearing in mind that the DVD was a “teen movie” & not some porn film or a couple of cases of cheap lager.
I obviously started an argument (as you do) & asked if I returned later with my wife & a 10 year old, would they refuse to sell me “adult” goods as I would obviously be with a minor. Possibly was his reply!!!!!
There was no apology or suggestion that they had been somewhat OTT, I made the point that possibly an element of discretion should be made in these situations, he disagreed (pathetic little muppet). He kept spouting the law, I kept repeating that to sell "adult" goods to an adult IMO was not infringing any law whatsoever even if the adult is (possibly) accompanied by a minor, he again disagreed.
I did record some of the conversation for future reference & informed him I was doing so.So if shopping in Tescos & purchasing "adult" material, make sure a) you have ID if you (in their opinion) look under 25 & b) that you do not take minors with you.
So, what to do now?. I have little or no time for Tescos at the best of times & avoid the place like the plague, but I feel like doing something, other than my usual habit of using their car park (& not their store) for more than 2 hours, just to get a "ticket" from Euro Parking!
Every major retailer now has been backed into a corner by the Government and will now be operating a 'Challenge 25' policy.
We even have posters announcing it on the entrances to our car-parks.....
Blame the draconian personal penalties which can be levied against the individual cashier and also the potential withdrawal of premises licences if caught selling to under-age customers.
Local Trading Standards will deliberately send in 17 year olds, on the verge of their 18th birthday, but looking 5 or 6 years older, in order to be seen to be 'doing something'.... which is why shops are on high alert all the time.
Company policy is always that the manager backs up a decision made by the cashier, too - so there's no point in arguing the case with the manager, either.
Stores are also expected to keep a record of refusals - so they're going to challenge every marginal case in order to prove due diligence.
We even have posters announcing it on the entrances to our car-parks.....
Blame the draconian personal penalties which can be levied against the individual cashier and also the potential withdrawal of premises licences if caught selling to under-age customers.
Local Trading Standards will deliberately send in 17 year olds, on the verge of their 18th birthday, but looking 5 or 6 years older, in order to be seen to be 'doing something'.... which is why shops are on high alert all the time.
Company policy is always that the manager backs up a decision made by the cashier, too - so there's no point in arguing the case with the manager, either.
Stores are also expected to keep a record of refusals - so they're going to challenge every marginal case in order to prove due diligence.
Alfa_75_Steve said:
Local Trading Standards will deliberately send in 17 year olds, on the verge of their 18th birthday, but looking 5 or 6 years older, in order to be seen to be 'doing something'.... which is why shops are on high alert all the time.
Depends on the lcoal dept but i know of one which will only send in people who look blatantly young so the store cannot then turn around and use the defence they are only 17 and 150 days olds, so not all TS depts will send in people who look older. i imagine the national guidance would infact be NOT to send in 17 years old - i can prob find out.here is some guidance - http://www.lacors.gov.uk/lacors/upload/17065.pdf
they basically say get someone who reasonably looks under 18.
escargot said:
Where does this stupidity end though? For example, if I take my (soon to be) newborn child into Tesco, will they refuse on the grounds that we might be feeding it whisky instead of tit milk? If not, where is the line? 5, 10, 15, 17??
It's f
king pathetic.
This is exactly my problem with it. They can use their discretion to work out that it's unlikely you'll be buying alcohol for, say a ten year old, but if it's a teenager you're with suddenly you're a fIt's f
king pathetic.king criminal? I used a Tesco garage the other week. Filled up my 350z and because it was warm I'd left my jacket at home (along with ID) and was only wearing a T Shirt. I pointed out the car and pump and then asked for cigarettes. At which point I was refused because I had no ID. Now, I hadn't shaven for about a week and I've got a large tattoo down one arm and asked why they hadn't ID'd me for petrol.
"You only have to be 16 for fuel".
Uh huh, so you clearly believe I'm at least 17 because I'm driving, well done, that's using your noggin, now can't you extend that same logic to deduct that from the car, tattoo and f
king facial hair it's possible I'm at least 18?I think the reason it pisses most of us off is that we spent our teenage years attempting to get served and being ID'd then when we reached 18 we were glad that s
t was behind us. Now it's back with a vengeance 
Edited by Oakey on Monday 27th July 15:55
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