Good Halal food in Watford?

[Pesty]

Chainguy said:

jazzybee said:

Why is everyone so hate fueled?

Hate fuelled? I don't see any of that on here. I do see a lot of people asking honest questions though.

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Yes you do. You have to understand that dissagreeing with anybody or anything to do with Islam is Hate speak.

If you say you do not agree with the practice of Halal you are instantly labeled Islamophobic.

Edited by Pesty on Sunday 15th March 13:38

[Chainguy]

jazzybee said:

Chainguy said:

jazzybee said:

Why is everyone so hate fueled?

Hate fuelled? I don't see any of that on here. I do see a lot of people asking honest questions though.

Hate fuelled is when you make a placard proclaiming death to Jews and stand in the streets shouting about it. However, asking why an animal can be killed in a non humane way, contrary to the laws of the land, due to Religion, is not.

Getting that distinction right between the two is important, I hope you'll agree.

Right, but I don't just mean this thread. The direction it is going is worrying. The 'Islamic State' thread has hateful comments riddled through it, as does the one about the Sri-Lankan suicide bomb and lately many others. The burner certainly seems to have been turned up a notch or two over the past few weeks and it concerns me. My family and I have to live in this country and if the sentiment on here is matching the feeling on the streets, then I need to start thinking a little more seriously about how to protect my family if it escalates further.

15 idiots in Luton do not represent the Muslim community. For every one Muslim on benefits, I bet there is at least 5 that pay taxes. For every 1 that say 'Death to Americans' there will be millions that would shout them down. No mater how much we (the normal, sensible muslim majority) disagree with the idiots on the street, we all seem to get tarred with the same brush.

I've watched animals being slaughter in Halal butchers - Its gruesome killing an animal either way - I don't believe it to be any more Barbaric to slit the throat than stun the animal/shoot it in the head. I don't exclusively eat Halal food either but that is my choice.

Now, I love living in the diverse culture that is London. Today I will be at a Synagogue for my best friend's kids' blessing ceremony and no doubt eating some very good Kosher food afterwards.

I think the problem is that many feel unable to ask questions without being shouted down as racist. That means that when views are aired, they are automatically done so in a brash manner.

There are some questions that need answered in Britain right now, and there is a feeling of 'one rule for some, but another for us' amongst people. This is maybe what you see on the streets.

I also think going in with the statement Kinky did above does nothing to sooth or keep a topic on track, all it did was to inflame. My opinion. I hope I'm still entitled to it. If you don't see me posting, you know I'm not.

I agree with what you say about the majority of Muslims horrified at the actions of a few. I have Muslim friends, mainly outside the UK I admit, and they find these people repugnant. They have shown me before the part of the Quran where it states you should not cause trouble in the land in which you live, and that you should obey it's laws. It's a stange thing to be sitting at dinner in Dubai, and to have your Muslim host express an opinion about immigration and Islamic fundamentalism in the UK which, were he white and a UK national, would have him labelled as a massive racist. Yet he is talking sense and from the heart. He hates to see his religion tarred with the brush of hate these people wield.

Hence why I don't view these fundamentalist fools as true Muslims. I view them as idiots.

Britain is a multiclutrual society. It's better for it. When I was home a little while ago (I work abroad) I was out on the lash with a mate who is Hong Kong Chinese origin and another who is Indian origin. I love that about the UK. But, and it's a big but, when you have a taxpaying, traditional part of society feeling that they are being treated as second class citizens in their own homeland, you issues that need looked at. I think thats what you see in the UK just now, and it's filtering through to these boards.

[MacGee]

20 years ago the THREAT was from within..ie the IRA. We from Ulster realised that the security of the nation involved special measures. We endured heightened military activities etc in our home towns and when even we travelled. At all airports there were special gates for us to travel through for this extra security. we understood the need for this. All over the world we had to live with this. In 1987, I passed thru from Paraguay to Brazil and was held back to allow time for these guards to check the worlds "blacklist". I think almost all of my friends and family were quite happy to live with all of this to make our country safer and a more peaceful world. So if other sections of our society are now having these types of experiences I feel they should appreciate the bigger reasons for them and understand that this all makes sense.
However, now when I travel thru local airports I do find it quite strange that I am treated as a risk and deemed to be a potential shoe bomber along with the other "highly dangerous " old middle england citizens in the queue next to me.

Mind you , after the recent dick head murderers in Ulster recently I wouldnt blame the security people to heighten the alert levels.

[haggy]

Chainguy said:

jazzybee said:

Chainguy said:

jazzybee said:

Why is everyone so hate fueled?

Hate fuelled? I don't see any of that on here. I do see a lot of people asking honest questions though.

Hate fuelled is when you make a placard proclaiming death to Jews and stand in the streets shouting about it. However, asking why an animal can be killed in a non humane way, contrary to the laws of the land, due to Religion, is not.

Getting that distinction right between the two is important, I hope you'll agree.

Right, but I don't just mean this thread. The direction it is going is worrying. The 'Islamic State' thread has hateful comments riddled through it, as does the one about the Sri-Lankan suicide bomb and lately many others. The burner certainly seems to have been turned up a notch or two over the past few weeks and it concerns me. My family and I have to live in this country and if the sentiment on here is matching the feeling on the streets, then I need to start thinking a little more seriously about how to protect my family if it escalates further.

15 idiots in Luton do not represent the Muslim community. For every one Muslim on benefits, I bet there is at least 5 that pay taxes. For every 1 that say 'Death to Americans' there will be millions that would shout them down. No mater how much we (the normal, sensible muslim majority) disagree with the idiots on the street, we all seem to get tarred with the same brush.

I've watched animals being slaughter in Halal butchers - Its gruesome killing an animal either way - I don't believe it to be any more Barbaric to slit the throat than stun the animal/shoot it in the head. I don't exclusively eat Halal food either but that is my choice.

Now, I love living in the diverse culture that is London. Today I will be at a Synagogue for my best friend's kids' blessing ceremony and no doubt eating some very good Kosher food afterwards.

I think the problem is that many feel unable to ask questions without being shouted down as racist. That means that when views are aired, they are automatically done so in a brash manner.

There are some questions that need answered in Britain right now, and there is a feeling of 'one rule for some, but another for us' amongst people. This is maybe what you see on the streets.

I also think going in with the statement Kinky did above does nothing to sooth or keep a topic on track, all it did was to inflame. My opinion. I hope I'm still entitled to it. If you don't see me posting, you know I'm not.

I agree with what you say about the majority of Muslims horrified at the actions of a few. I have Muslim friends, mainly outside the UK I admit, and they find these people repugnant. They have shown me before the part of the Quran where it states you should not cause trouble in the land in which you live, and that you should obey it's laws. It's a stange thing to be sitting at dinner in Dubai, and to have your Muslim host express an opinion about immigration and Islamic fundamentalism in the UK which, were he white and a UK national, would have him labelled as a massive racist. Yet he is talking sense and from the heart. He hates to see his religion tarred with the brush of hate these people wield.

Hence why I don't view these fundamentalist fools as true Muslims. I view them as idiots.

Britain is a multiclutrual society. It's better for it. When I was home a little while ago (I work abroad) I was out on the lash with a mate who is Hong Kong Chinese origin and another who is Indian origin. I love that about the UK. But, and it's a big but, when you have a taxpaying, traditional part of society feeling that they are being treated as second class citizens in their own homeland, you issues that need looked at. I think thats what you see in the UK just now, and it's filtering through to these boards.

I think things will only get worse unfortunatley, it seems to me that there is alot of hate brewing. Its not nice, but soon this country is going to see big problems.

[Kinky]

Chainguy said:

Kinky said:

Perhaps we should clarify that any racist statements made, intended or not, will result in a permanent banning from PH.

K

Considering simply telling the truth about certain methods of slaughter has prompted that comment, then I get the feeling that most of what people say that is simply fact, and said under the right of free speech, could be considered racist, be it intentional or not, if this is an example of your guidelines.

Lets get some 'actual' facts correct. Firstly, there were a number of posts made on this thread which were removed pretty quickly - and it's these posts I was specifically referring to - not the posts that currently remain on the thread. I assume you did not see those posts before they were removed, otherwise you'd not have made the statement you did.

Secondly, PH is self-moderating, in that the mods act upon reports made by other PHers. So it's fellow PHers who flag inappropriate statements - and the mods act upon them if they agree that they are inappropriate. It's rare that mods themselves remove posts. I think this thread has been the most 'complained-about' this weekend - and the mods have been quick to action. So we're not talking about 1 individual - either PHer or mod. In fact I've had no involvement with this thread whatsoever, in any way, except to make that 1 post above (and now this one).

Anyway - we're getting off-topic here; and to be honest I don't think the OPs question has actually been answered yet.

K

[Scraggles]

went to google and found not a lot, apart from southall where there are loads for some reason...

problem with removing posts is that not many people will see them and learn nothing

if I was to kill an animal by slitting it's throat, would probably get reported to the rspca and maybe arrested, but doing it for religious reasons is apparently ok ?

I do not like it and the race or religion of the person does not matter, I feel that is cruel and barbaric...

nothing racist in that

[jazzybee]

Scraggles said:

went to google and found not a lot, apart from southall where there are loads for some reason...

problem with removing posts is that not many people will see them and learn nothing

if I was to kill an animal by slitting it's throat, would probably get reported to the rspca and maybe arrested, but doing it for religious reasons is apparently ok ?

I do not like it and the race or religion of the person does not matter, I feel that is cruel and barbaric...

nothing racist in that

You will probably also get arrested for using a stun gun or shooting it before you slit its throat.

[White-Noise]

jazzybee said:

Scraggles said:

went to google and found not a lot, apart from southall where there are loads for some reason...

problem with removing posts is that not many people will see them and learn nothing

if I was to kill an animal by slitting it's throat, would probably get reported to the rspca and maybe arrested, but doing it for religious reasons is apparently ok ?

I do not like it and the race or religion of the person does not matter, I feel that is cruel and barbaric...

nothing racist in that

You will probably also get arrested for using a stun gun or shooting it before you slit its throat.

So lethal injection would be the way to do it - not sure I would want to eat it afterwards though!

[Bushmaster]

As long as it is quick and as painless as practicable, I don't have a problem with Halal or Kosher slaughter.

For this who are using this as an opportunity to bash Islam, how do you feel about the Gurkhas?

Those stalwart and brave Nepalese fighting men from the hills?

Good guys, huh?

With those big sharp knives.

This is how they slaughter cattle

Not for the faint of heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEditWZkI7M

Edited by Bushmaster on Sunday 15th March 14:53

[Gold]

Bushmaster said:

As long as it is quick and as painless as practicable, I don't have a problem with Halal or Kosher slaughter.

For this who are using this as an opportunity to bash Islam, how do you feel about the Gurkhas?

Those stalwart and brave Nepalese fighting men from the hills?

Good guys, huh?

With those big sharp knives.

This is how they slaughter cattle

Not for the faint of heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEditWZkI7M

Edited by Bushmaster on Sunday 15th March 14:53

I don't know anything about Halal but that decapitation looks instantaneous and probably as pain free as a slaughter can be,

It's just not very pretty.

[Sheriff JWPepper]

Bushmaster said:

With those big sharp knives.

This is how they slaughter cattle

Not for the faint of heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEditWZkI7M

Fking Hell

[TotalControl]

To actually answer the question. If you are in Watford town centre then a place called Kismet Kebab may be a nice Turkishy place for you, it is on the right of Area (as you look at the club). Food is very nice and not expensive.

On the other side of the High Street there is a place called A.K's which is just past Maplins (4 odd shops down). Food is nice and Lebanesey, but a tad too expensive for what it is.

If in North Watford there is Monsoon on St. Albans Road which I believe is halal, it's opposite Total petrol station.

If it's quick fast food you want, Roosters, Chicken Cottage and Hayri's Kebab in Town are available. Plenty of places in West Watfordistan offer food such as Pepe's piri piri & Kebabish (Market Street). North Watford has Viking Kebab & Codfather.

These are just a few, HTH.

That is, if you haven't waited so long for the answer that you've actually starved to death.

[Scraggles]

nice movie, looks very quick, guess the cow will realise that it's spine has been broken about the same time as it's head hits the floor

so not much in the way of pain, nothing like halal or kosher

[mouk786]

Well I have seen a few humans stunned (before they passed out) and it looked painful enough.


And I cannot believe peopel are actually asking why the P word might be offense, I woudl have thought it was obvious.

[TotalControl]

mouk786 said:

Well I have seen a few humans stunned (before they passed out) and it looked painful enough.


And I cannot believe peopel are actually asking why the P word might be offense, I woudl have thought it was obvious.

Generally speaking yes but theoretically no. It is probably best not to use it as the majority will take it as an offense but a breakdown of the word will show that it is in itself harmless as such.

Paak (To say pakistan like Paak-e-sthaan) means pure, or pure land (sthaan - land). So what is effectively being said is 'Pure one' when the abbreviated word for a pakistani is used.

I explain this to friends all the time and we even have lovely nicknames for each other, obviously used in friendly ways. So when someone decides to use it as an insult to me, an explanation to them of the word used makes them feel very stupid indeed.

[Bushmaster]

TotalControl said:

So when someone decides to use it as an insult to me, an explanation to them of the word used makes them feel very stupid indeed.

That's right, you tell 'em.

If you add that you listen to Radio 2 too, you could get done for using excessive force.

[uk_vette]

The Crow said:

No one in this country should be allowed to eat the barbaric ritual slaughter meat via Halal or Kosher.

Says who?

The RSPCA among many others.

I despise the weak minded politicians that have allowed this slaughter to become common place.

Vile repugnant trade.

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Oh you sad mis-informed person

[White-Noise]

I saw a video or documentary years ago where they cut the throat 'from the inside' if you know what I mean? Which lot do this or was it someone just trying to be cruel? While they were doing it they were saying something like "dont worry, dont be afraid you will be ok" - it still struggled and looked quite worried however!

[Zain09]

There's a difference between debate and just being offensive, don't give that freedom of speech crap to say it is acceptable and make another thread why derail this one?

The way it is done to make halal is actually the fastest and most painless way, of course it looks wrong because none of us are butchers we simply eat the meat we buy. Research has also shown it is far cleaner to use the halal methods when dealing with meat.

Anyway, for a halal place just look out for the Halal signs, you'll know when you look at the shop. They are more likely to exist in ethnic areas than other places.