for fans of heavy music

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FN2TypeR said:

Yeah, I love Sleep Token, I saw them in Glasgow back in February, the venue was an old Church, it was awesome and surprisingly heavy live, the break downs were absolutely crushing

class act and quite unique...

finally had a cd copy of final transmission by cave in come through the letter box last week...been on heavy rotation.bit of a departure from their earlier more manic stuff but what a fking great album and a real tragedy that the bass player lost his life in a car crash before he heard the album mastered and released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F60cHG2DGQk

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https://youtu.be/jspf08jv1lw

https://youtu.be/G-3CULXvc3E

This band are fking incredible

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Lentilist said:

gazza285 said:

Steve vRS said:

No Idea why it’s taken so long as Anthrax are one of my favourite bands (especially the John Bush albums but that’s another thread), but just listened to S.O.D. Fantastic!!!!

Dan Lilker and Scott Ian, what is not to like?

Lilker is extreme metal's Kevin Bacon.

Have some Nuclear Assault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4FxNQl8Sq4

Connelly sounding (if not looking) exactly like he did 30 years ago, whilst Lilker just seems to be getting taller with age. Love it!

fk me i didn't recognize connolly there!!!!! he looks like someone has glued a cricket ball to a basketball

god, i wish i still had my handle with care t shirt from back then...i remember like it was yesterday discovering nuclear assault AND testament on the same episode of headbangers ball... don't know what year that was, i'm guessing 1987 because survive was their new album and testament were on the new order....

great times

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Lentilist said:

tuscaneer said:

fk me i didn't recognize connolly there!!!!! he looks like someone has glued a cricket ball to a basketball

god, i wish i still had my handle with care t shirt from back then...i remember like it was yesterday discovering nuclear assault AND testament on the same episode of headbangers ball... don't know what year that was, i'm guessing 1987 because survive was their new album and testament were on the new order....

great times

I loved the YouTube comment about whether Nick Barker had eaten Glenn Evans

I got into that tier of thrash around the same time, perhaps a year or two later. Having discovered the Big Four, I then got into the likes of Nuclear Assault, Forbidden, Dark Angel, Exodus (a bit), Anacrusis and Death Angel. Never clicked with Testament and still can't quite understand why. The band I connected with the most was actually Acid Reign, I guess because they were the local heroes, so that would be circa 1989 when "The Fear" came out, which would've made me 15. Still love 'em!. Never got into any of the big German bands for some odd reason. No sooner had I gone down that rabbit hole than the whole Swedish and Florida death metal scenes exploded, then along came second wave Black Metal, and here we are 30 years later. Blimey. God I enjoyed those days - badly xeroxed fanzines, hand written (then physically typed!) tape trading lists, demo tapes and flyers from all over the world...great days.

Thing that still blows my mind is I was more or less the same age (+/- a few years) as the bands I was listening to, and how much genre defining stuff was made by 16 year old kids who didn't really have a clue what they were doing!

yeah, we are the same age then pal...

my transition from deep purple, uriah heep,wishbone ash etc as a kid listening to me old fella's records happened with somewhere in time by maiden...i was 11 and it sounded so different..i was transfixed...bought all their previous albums with pocket money and really liked seventh son when it dropped..... but at the same time the older kids in the music block at school were showing me stuff like master of puppets...my "maiden years" were pretty short although i keep going back years later...

i think our musical paths probably diverged at this point as after a couple/few years i was simultaneously listening to stuff like black flag, biohazard,downset, gorilla biscuits, burn, youth of today , judge, dag nasty, etc which was very "non metal".. i was definitely a hardcore kid at this point not a metal kid...this trend stayed tbh....i never really went back to metal....by the mid late 90s i was all about deftones, korn etc but had a simultaneous interest in depeche mode, nine inch nails etc.... that,too, has stuck to this day..


about 10/11 years ago i started to really take notice of a new type of band that included periphery, vildjharta, tesseract, sikth,fellsilent etc...it was, in fact, tesseract who compelled me to start this very thread in 2010...the use of 7 and 8 string guitars in a new thoughtful, rhythmically complex way rather than the mindless chugging i had come across previously i found intoxicating.... i had head of meshuggah but not taken any notice until i realised all these djent bands were coming from the same source... going back over their albums was incredible putting them into a time frame context...true innovators..

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Lentilist said:

Exactly the same here with Somewhere In Time - still my favourite Maiden album. Had the full length poster of cyborg Eddie on my bedroom door. Got a few Japanese versions of the album and Stranger in a Strange Land EP, and they're just things of beauty. I'm still very much a Maiden fan, even though some of their recent stuff has been a bit lopsided.

Looks like we had parallel but different inflection points with the more extreme stuff - hardcore stuff I got into was very much the UK grind/crust stuff (Napalm Death, ENT, Intense Degree, Heresy and the glorious Dr & the Crippens), but there were also bands like Ratos de Porão and Poison Idea, who I still listen to, but the main rabbit hole was death, doom and Black Metal.

I've started to get into more of the prog/djenty stuff, but still generally find it too clean - personal preference! More recently into UK-centric metalcore and deathcore, mostly via seeing a tonne of bands in small local venues. Thing that I've found interesting is it seems to be a much more thoughtful scene that's much less obsessed with being and appearing "metal!". Deathcore maybe less so in some regards, but there are bands doing interesting things with it. Find the lyrical themes more diverse and less silly than a lot of the more regular metal bands, and I've had some great discussions about everything from veganism through to mental health and Christianity.

i completely get the whole "devoid of soul" argument .. in fact 10 years ago in this very thread it was a hot topic...but aside from the more lo fi stuff in my past (primarily the diy punkier stuff like black flag and minor threat) i always tend to side with well produced music....

2 examples or this are quicksand and orange 9mm.....the vast majority of folk claim to like the don fury sound of both of their first ep's over both of their first full length albums...i just can't have ...both debut albums from both bands are just superior in every way.

i find a lot of the generic "djent for djent's sake" boring as hell but i always find myself drawn to really precise rhythmically clever music or stuff that's not quite normal. stuff i get a kick out of is sticking an unexpected chord in a progression every 3rd bar or whatever... just stuff to throw you off and make things a bit more uneasy for the listener

but no matter what.... it's got to sound MASSIVE!!!!!!

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Swervin_Mervin said:

Just to say - 20 years since White Pony was released! That makes me feel old - was the year I left uni as well.

Remains, for me, one of the most seminal albums in metal - a real game-changer.

couldn't agree more, though for me around the fur was the absolute zenith,,,my band was active at the time (93-99) and when adrenaline dropped i was in awe... by the time around the fur came out i felt like giving up

i cannot wait for the new album... by all accounts its less like gore and more of a hark back to white pony...

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Swervin_Mervin said:

Oddly enough I've never gelled with Around the Fur!

Hope the rumours are true about the new album - i don't even think I've listened to Gore...I sort of lost interest when it seemed like Stephen Carpenter was disinterested.

Heathen!!!!!!!

I know what you mean.... carpenter is absolutely top tier for me... the riffs and rhythms, oh my god, he's a genius...

Luckily for me I'm on the same wave as chino too so I love all the off shoot side projects of his like team sleep, palms and crosses....

The ambient sound if gore I really liked but I can agree.. when I get a deftones record I want the biggest ,cinematic width of heavy sound possible


Csnt wait for the new one!

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looks like the end of holy roar records!!!

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/holy-roar-records-fo...

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i had a panic attack when i heard the title track... the root movements were far too "happy" for me....then i heard genesis through the stty computer speakers (no bass) and was a pinch underwhelmed.... proper panic setting in as deftones have been THE heavy band for me since i first heard 7 words back in '95.......

anyway, got the cd and took it home to listen to on the "proper" stereo.....

my god, 3 times right through back to back.... fking incredible album... mad to think it's been 17 years since they worked with terry date too!

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jess.w said:

What about Emmure or Parkway Drive?

didn't expect to get a post from a decade ago quoted!

i'm a big fan of the djent thing, really enjoyed watching the good bands like tesseract and periphery go from nothing to mega stardom over the last 10 years and some other pearlers have appeared too like skyharbor....

i like the antipodean sound particularly across many genres... cirles being their best djent band........

but i'm not such a big fan of metal core and i find bands like emmure and parkway drive a bit....cheesy (sorry!!).... i'm far more into old traditional hardcore and post hardcore tbh...

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seefarr said:

tuscaneer said:

i like the antipodean sound particularly across many genres... cirles being their best djent band........

And if anyone else spent 10 minutes fruitlessly searching for an Aussie djent band called "Cirles" it's actually "Circles". And quite good!

sorry pal!!!

at least you got there in the end!... a great band... their last album is incredible... well it all is tbf...

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16 years, christ.. it doesn't feel that long ago! .. i always wonder what he might have sounded like as he aged, what would that crushing riff machine morph into... he was too good a musician to remain static .. i'm sure he would have created , or rather, continued to create innovative music

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seeing as i've just done it with the spotify thread....

what was you guys top 5s for the last year then?... for me..

1. failure
2. night verses
3. deftones
4. the cinematic orchestra
5. nova charisma


i suspect that will differ significantly to most in here

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Blayney said:

Night Verses are so good. I didn't expect them to lose a vocalist and get better... but they did.

As for top 5 this year...

It was

1. Holding Absence
2. Code Orange
3. Deftones
4. Loathe
5. Taylor Swift

That Code Orange album is incredible and well worth your time.

My favourite albums this year that actually suit this thread though...

END - Splinters From An Ever-Changing Face (proper heavy)
Leeched - To Dull The Blades Of Your Abuse (also proper heavy)
Sharptooth - Transitional Forms (pissed off hardcore)
Elephant Tree - Habits (doom ish proggy ish stuff)
An Autumn For Crippled Children - All Fell Silent, Everything Went Quiet (black metal ish blackgaze maybe)
Loathe - I Let It In And It Took Everything (deftones but also heavier hardcore stuff)
No Note - If This Is The Future, Then I'm In The Dark (screamo)

And ones that don't necessarily suit the thread but I've loved...

I Like Trains - Kompromat (post-rock/post-punk)
Covet - Technicolour (modern prog like CHON or Polyphia)
CLT DRP - Without The Eyes (electro punk)
Run The Jewels - RTJ4 (hip hop)
Clipping - Visions Of Bodies Being Burned (horrorcore rap - it's Daveed Diggs of the musical Hamilton fame)
Palm Reader - Sleepless (post hardcore maybe)
bh Falcon - Staring At Clocks (...dunno its just great rock and other stuff)

i was lucky enough to catch night verses at the crauford arms milton keynes just befoe covid... fking incredible band...

i speak to douglas robinson over social media quite a bit and even he thinks night verses as a band are less restricted now he has left!.. i don't agree as i really like his voice.. tracks like elucidation are just incredible with him in there..

run the jewels a good shout... not so sure on taylor swift tho

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Swervin_Mervin said:

tuscaneer said:

seeing as i've just done it with the spotify thread....

what was you guys top 5s for the last year then?... for me..

1. failure
2. night verses
3. deftones
4. the cinematic orchestra
5. nova charisma


i suspect that will differ significantly to most in here

Err:

Top 5 artists:

1. Aesop Rock
2. Deftones
3. Sky (surprised by this one!)
4. Tool
5. Hail Mary Mallon

Top 5 songs:

1. Krill (Hail Mary Mallon)
2. Used Cars (Hail Mary Mallon)
3. Offence (Little Simz)
4. Favourites (S.L.P. feat Little Simz)
5. Twenty Fifty Three (L'Orange feat. Mr Lif)

is that sky as in 70s prog rockers?.... good shout if it is .. i was bang into them as a kid..

i see there is a lot of us still obsessed with deftones

not familiar with aesop rock so had a peep.. pretty cool that..

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havoc said:

OK, I may lose my right to be on this thread with this list...


Top 5 songs:-

Muse - Pressure
Alice In Chains - Rotten Apple
Groove Armada - Madder
Pearl Jam - Even Flow
Filter - Hey Man, Nice Shot

(Not sure I agree with 1 and 4...Spotify kept throwing them at me...think i skipped Muse more than I listened to it. In reality it probably should have been Julien K - Harmonic Disruptor, which I discovered this year and played loads. Oh, and Stigmata...why the hell that's not on my top 5 I don't know... )

Top 5 Artists:-
- Jamiroquai
- Foo Fighters
- Muse
- Faith No More
- Alice In Chains

(Again, Muse is one prompted by Spotify more than me choosing...really don't recall listening to them that much. Rest seem on the money, although Ministry, KMFDM and PWEI should probably be on the list too.)


Footnote: I think Spotify counts any song that starts, regardless of if you skip it...

filter were fking ace man...

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havoc said:

tuscaneer said:

filter were fking ace man...

That bassline. I'm a sucker for a characterful bass player...

you know what.... i've gone from writing for the guitars (anywhere from 2 to 6 tracks per song) only to having to buy a bass and fill in the basslines too as the bass player has moved away..

i've got 6 and 7 strings going on the guitars and my first toe dip into basses is a 5 string.

with not a lot of wriggling you can create just the right amount of space to sound absolutely ace... but on the downside you can easily strangle it and ruin everything... it's only actually physically having to play the bass now that has made me realise the fine line between perfect bass lines and gratuitous ste...

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havoc said:

tuscaneer said:

it's only actually physically having to play the bass now that has made me realise the fine line between perfect bass lines and gratuitous ste...

Missed this comment first time around, sorry.

Which bassists out there are inspiring you right now then?

i think guys like sergio vega from quicksand do a perfect job.... from yesteryear i always loved what melvin gibbs did with rollins band..his predecessor in andrew weiss was pretty ace too actually.

from lesser known bands i always thought caleb schofield from cave in did some great work.. the bassline on this, for instance...love it!..boom, straight out the traps.. not complicated but superbly placed within the context of everything else...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F60cHG2DGQk


also, my favourite basses (got to have one!) are dingwalls... wasn't aware of them until i saw nolly getgood was uising them.. cracking bass player and an absolutely incredible bass sound...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w5qFCT6EZY

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yeah that "springy" sound to the dingwall is glorious.. i'll have a look at that youtube vid when i get a minute later on...

amos from tesseract used to use warwicks and i must admit the minute i get rid of this marcus miller (first ever bass purchase, so i wanted to test the 5 string waters before splurging a couple grand) the warwicks do seem like a viable option.

now i've bedded in with the idea of thinking like a bass player to compliment what i'm writing for the guitars i'm cofident enough that i will weigh the miller in for something proper before we head into the studio in the summer..

you defo want to jump back in pal... we had over a 20 year gap between our last recorded material and the first instrumental ep we did summer before last( the singer wasn't back at that point).... by the time we record a "proper" ep as a full band again (daft description as i write and play all the instruments except the drums myself ) it will have been just on 23 years since the last one but the writing process has been really cathartic... i've enjoyed every single minute of prep for it and my calluses are as hard as they were back in the 90s


edited to add.... very interesting video that... always had a soft spot for karnivool.. that warwick sounds really versatile...

here's amos from tesseract playing through messenger with his warwick.. nice..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAtgXJ5TgHo

Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 21st May 08:02

do like his ibanez as well though... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jFRc9drP-g

Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 21st May 08:05

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as for the way i play... i'm definitely in the plectrum, not fingers camp though...

sergio vega is THE MAN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPA38OQQqXo