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drumsterphil said:
There are plenty of great unsigned bands out there but as we're finding trying to find gigs is really hard work - "oh, you're a metal band, no thanks". We recently played a local festival and out of 60 bands on the bill we were the only what I would class as true metal bands (with our roots in thrash, death, black metal) - the rest were screamo bands - and they all sounded and looked EXACTLY the same - v. boring indeed!
This is what bugs me the most. There's some good music out there, but then the singing starts and it's the same old growling and angsty screaming stuff and none of it stands out. I can't find anything memorable in the music whatsoever. Conversely, there's a new track from Evile up on Youtube and it's already stuck in my head after two listens.Edited by hornet on Monday 5th September 00:19
vocals are a very emotive subject.very unimportant for me (see all of bulb's solo stuff-just doesn't need vocals).however bad vocals ruin the whole setup.just barking all the time to me seems like missing a trick.the melodic possibilities of sung vocals open up the soundscape somewhat whereas monotone shouting really limits the complexity of the delivery.a perfect example of this is rollins band.his vocals sort of suited scratchy lo-fi stuff like black flag but when yopu start introducing 5 string jazz bass players to chris haskett's already off beat guitar style(like on "weight")the possibilities for really intersting melody lines are lost.
deftones are a perfect example of making the most of unusual chord progressions and augmenting the unusual with unexpected vocal melodies.defones are no less aggresive for chino's quieter,more vocally complex moments.
certain shouty/screamy stuff sounds so contrived wheras other bands with constant shouty vocals sound honest at the very least.
deftones are a perfect example of making the most of unusual chord progressions and augmenting the unusual with unexpected vocal melodies.defones are no less aggresive for chino's quieter,more vocally complex moments.
certain shouty/screamy stuff sounds so contrived wheras other bands with constant shouty vocals sound honest at the very least.
Dont know how well this band will fit in here but they're been a favourite of mine for some time now and are well worth going to see live if you get the chance .
Protest the hero -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhMfz4HrcEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCdGNe3Bvs
Protest the hero -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhMfz4HrcEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCdGNe3Bvs
tuscaneer said:
deftones are a perfect example of making the most of unusual chord progressions and augmenting the unusual with unexpected vocal melodies.defones are no less aggresive for chino's quieter,more vocally complex moments.
Absolutely agree.Not metal as such (in fact, precisely NOT metal), but sitting here watching the Trevor Horn DVD "Slaves to the Rhythm" (astounding production - well worth a watch for anyone who grew up in the '80s!*), and Frankie-GTH are on with that substitute singer, and his voice really brings the song alive.
Similarly currently - Delphic, who use vocals more as an instrument than as a delivery of lyrics.
Examples:-
Frankie - contrast lead singer with that pratt Paul Rutherford
- Relax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jswjnxL5fk&fea...
...and "Welcome..." simply because the bassline is awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c01OpiCvoM
Delphic:-
- Doubt - the vocals here really do vary with the track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vl2tZV6XV4
* And yes, I am still a card-carrying metalhead, thanks. NIN's last live album in the car today, Corrosion of Conformity sitting in the NSX for tomorrow.
I have become very interested in that space where heavy metal and dance music collide.
Infected Mushroom - Project 100
C.O.N. Sequencer - Strange Planet
Astrix - On Fire
Infected Mushroom - Project 100
C.O.N. Sequencer - Strange Planet
Astrix - On Fire
havoc said:
Trevor Horn
One of my favourite producers. Certainly has a signature type sound - not a bad thing in that instance.. Unfortunately a lot of Metal producers have a signature that can almost ruin an album, although admittedly there are some who never seem to put a foot wrong.The best death metal vocalist??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE34z7uVjSM&ob=...
Another classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwIqTDWmV8A&ob=...
Art or Death Metal?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu9ZQtzKeik
Another classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwIqTDWmV8A&ob=...
Art or Death Metal?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu9ZQtzKeik
Gompo said:
havoc said:
Trevor Horn
One of my favourite producers. Certainly has a signature type sound - not a bad thing in that instance.. Unfortunately a lot of Metal producers have a signature that can almost ruin an album, although admittedly there are some who never seem to put a foot wrong.(apart from quitting the music business to be a computer programmer, ffs)
drumsterphil said:
The best death metal vocalist??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE34z7uVjSM&ob=...
It's debatable whether the chap in the video is actually 'singing' at all.Doesn't the verb 'to sing' imply some tonality?.."The act of producing musical sounds with the voice" is one widely available definition.
I would submit he is actually growling,and attempting to form recognisable words whilst doing such.
goldblum said:
It's debatable whether the chap in the video is actually 'singing' at all.
Doesn't the verb 'to sing' imply some tonality?.."The act of producing musical sounds with the voice" is one widely available definition.
I would submit he is actually growling,and attempting to form recognisable words whilst doing such.
Is he singing? Hmm, debatable..Doesn't the verb 'to sing' imply some tonality?.."The act of producing musical sounds with the voice" is one widely available definition.
I would submit he is actually growling,and attempting to form recognisable words whilst doing such.
Providing vocals.. as in a vocalist? Definitely.
The best in DM? I'd probably say no but he'll certainly go down in history as one of the early pioneers.
goldblum said:
It's debatable whether the chap in the video is actually 'singing' at all.
Doesn't the verb 'to sing' imply some tonality?.."The act of producing musical sounds with the voice" is one widely available definition.
I would submit he is actually growling,and attempting to form recognisable words whilst doing such.
Seems in tune to me...Doesn't the verb 'to sing' imply some tonality?.."The act of producing musical sounds with the voice" is one widely available definition.
I would submit he is actually growling,and attempting to form recognisable words whilst doing such.
Top track, BTW.
I've never heard a DM band I like better than Obituary.
Gompo said:
goldblum said:
It's debatable whether the chap in the video is actually 'singing' at all.
Doesn't the verb 'to sing' imply some tonality?.."The act of producing musical sounds with the voice" is one widely available definition.
I would submit he is actually growling,and attempting to form recognisable words whilst doing such.
Is he singing? Hmm, debatable..Doesn't the verb 'to sing' imply some tonality?.."The act of producing musical sounds with the voice" is one widely available definition.
I would submit he is actually growling,and attempting to form recognisable words whilst doing such.
Providing vocals.. as in a vocalist? Definitely.
The best in DM? I'd probably say no but he'll certainly go down in history as one of the early pioneers.
He's a pioneer?? No way..I can growl quite well when lifting weights,I've been told,although my hair hasn't been that long for 25 years.
Obviously there's growling and then there's growling!
John Tardy is a legend, and rightly so. Just shows all those little screamo vocalists that if you want to really scream/growl then this is the way to do it...oh yes!
Re. producers - never warmed to Trevor Horn (his attitude towards drummers is despicable). Scott Burns was the man in the 80/90's but add to that list Colin Richardson and Andy Wallace imo.
Credit has to go to Vinnie Paul for never producing a bad Pantera album and the same for Robb Flynn for his work on Machine Head's albums.
Re. producers - never warmed to Trevor Horn (his attitude towards drummers is despicable). Scott Burns was the man in the 80/90's but add to that list Colin Richardson and Andy Wallace imo.
Credit has to go to Vinnie Paul for never producing a bad Pantera album and the same for Robb Flynn for his work on Machine Head's albums.
CommanderJameson said:
Yup. Has Scott Burns ever done anything wrong?
(apart from quitting the music business to be a computer programmer, ffs)
I've read a few people who dont like the drum sound on 'Leprosy', I however think it's great. Maybe the drummer on this thread can offer his opinion..?(apart from quitting the music business to be a computer programmer, ffs)
It's a bit boomy in my opinion but that was about it - everything changed with 'Human' - that was superbly produced with a great drum sound.
Mind you, listen to most early black metal albums and the production is abysmal - the majority of florida death metal albums seemed to get pretty good production. I always loved the way 'Once Upon a Cross' sounded.
Not sure if they've been mentioned but any Exhorder fans on the board?? 'Slaughter in the Vatican' now THAT's an album with everything going for it!!
You want HEAVY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Cdc77mPZc&fea...
Mind you, listen to most early black metal albums and the production is abysmal - the majority of florida death metal albums seemed to get pretty good production. I always loved the way 'Once Upon a Cross' sounded.
Not sure if they've been mentioned but any Exhorder fans on the board?? 'Slaughter in the Vatican' now THAT's an album with everything going for it!!
You want HEAVY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Cdc77mPZc&fea...
ker!! Gompo said:
I've read a few people who dont like the drum sound on 'Leprosy', I however think it's great. Maybe the drummer on this thread can offer his opinion..?
You wouldn't want every album to have that drum sound, but for THAT album and THAT guitar sound and THOSE songs, it's just right.Gassing Station | Music | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff