for fans of heavy music

[CommanderJameson]

hornet said:

Gompo said:

Just listened to a couple of Asking Alexandria tracks. I can see why they're liked but not for me, again the vocals* don't help, but most of it just seems a bit tame/easy. Admittedly the songs I tried were probably released as singles so perhaps they were the ones most likely to please the masses.

• For what it's worth, I do like some clean vocals in Metal, but they seem to detract from most 'Modern' Metal or compound negatively on an already boring emotional section of a song.

Just seems like "modern metal by numbers" to me, especially on This one, which ticks every single cliche box going. Much too safe for me. The heavy bits are too clean and not especially heavy, the twiddly bits appear exactly when you'd expect them to appear, the video is all angsty and moody and oh look, it's THOSE BLOODY VOCALS. AGAIN.

Did I mention I don't like the vocals?

It's very formulaic. It's what Justin Bieber would be doing if he were to decide to "do metal".

I blame Slipknot. This business of singing/growling/singing/growling started with Wait & Bleed.

[JaymzDead]

hornet said:

Just seems like "modern metal by numbers" to me, especially on This one, which ticks every single cliche box going. Much too safe for me. The heavy bits are too clean and not especially heavy, the twiddly bits appear exactly when you'd expect them to appear, the video is all angsty and moody and oh look, it's THOSE BLOODY VOCALS. AGAIN.

Did I mention I don't like the vocals?

I hadn't heard of this lot and to be honest I wish I'd kept it that way. I kind of like the growled vocals/soaring clean chorus thing if it's done right, a la early Killswitch Engage/Times of Grace but that is so cliched it's unbelievable.

[Goldent147]

I guess there's no pleasing some people! Tried to have some reasonable conversations regarding current metal trends but it looks as though it's fairly one way traffic.

Putting Justin Beiber and Asking Alexandria in the same sentence and blaming one of the world's biggest metal bands for starting a trend that occurred some 7/8 years after the song was written completely baffles me......

[JaymzDead]

CommanderJameson said:

It's very formulaic. It's what Justin Bieber would be doing if he were to decide to "do metal".

I blame Slipknot. This business of singing/growling/singing/growling started with Wait & Bleed.

Yes but Slipknot are actually pretty good IMHO, especially when they really spread their wings on the stuff on 'Subliminal Verses' and 'All Hope Is Gone'. Admittedly they're not Malevolent Creation or anything but at least there is a modicum of originality in their sound.

[JaymzDead]

Speaking of Malevolent Creation, they are definately worth a mention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5jTm7vthfU

[hornet]

Goldent147 said:

I guess there's no pleasing some people! Tried to have some reasonable conversations regarding current metal trends but it looks as though it's fairly one way traffic.

Putting Justin Beiber and Asking Alexandria in the same sentence and blaming one of the world's biggest metal bands for starting a trend that occurred some 7/8 years after the song was written completely baffles me......

I'm equally baffled how anyone could listen to Asking Alexandria and not think "blimey, sounds like every other modern metal band, and christ those vocals are generic", but there you go. YMMV. I just can't find anything about them or that style to like. There's no soul to it whatsoever, just sounds like someone pressed a button marked "identikit modern screamo metal band" and out they popped.

[hornet]

JaymzDead said:

Speaking of Malevolent Creation, they are definately worth a mention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5jTm7vthfU

Shall we have an old school death metal love-in? Immolation

Also, anyone else remember this?

Necrosanct

Edited by hornet on Monday 12th September 00:49

[tuscaneer]

fullgear1 said:

Awesome, I love it. Kind of reminds me of Firewind, one of my favorite bands of all time. They play neoclassical metal, something I truly love. This band sounds amazing though. Great stuff mate

cheers, fella!! and it only took you 18 months to reply to the post!! seriously though, have a root through the last 31 pages,you'll find some gems

[tuscaneer]

Gompo said:

I've expressed that I dont mind some Djent on page 1, but most of it seems to have a decent 'Djent'/chug bit, a technical guitar riff or 5 and then a horrible clean singing, with a supposedly euphoric chorus bit..

Can anyone recommend some stuff that has less of the latter? I'm not a massive fan of the technical guitar but fine with it, but I really want the chug + the drumming that goes with it. I know Meshuggah just about fits the bill but out of the newer bands who are the heaviest/least commericial/most 'difficult' to listen to? I dont really like generic Deathcore growls either, but they're tolerable if the music is decent.

I cant be sure I've checked all those on this thread, but of all those mentioned on here I think Cloudkicker are the one I like most, but to be honest I think they're borderline in terms of being Djent and instrumental so can't have rubbish vocals..

Cheers.

going back 20 odd years it was always the chuggy staccato guitars and drums that got me going.there were some hardcore bands that were dipping their toes in it back in the 80's like gorilla biscuits and burn but it was definately helmet and quicksand that really got the ball rolling.in the late 90's you had orange 9mm and downset.whilst being quite different,very similar execution.another one to note is the vendetta album by throwdown

[tuscaneer]

orange 9mm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1YTg-rhhZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xearzoqI3KY&fea...

quicksand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlQX7_2Tp50&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6FUVXyWmg&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkS_bN6WhIM

any excuse for this old helmet classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfygUiS50g&ob=...

little bit of throwdown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fninRnmVRHw


hardcore band burn..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOG65OjM5Qs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkve02GpOk&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfB-kuxj-Ko&fea...

[Gompo]

Thanks for those, will check any I don't know out. However I should have probably made it clear that I am looking mainly for 'new' bands; incase there's something I've missed and that I do want something more than just 'chug'.

..In my post you quoted I should have probably mentioned that I quite like Xerath although again they're more a mixture of styles than just Djent.

...and yes Hornet, between my brother and I we have all the Necrosanct albums. Definitely not forgotten.

[Gompo]

Thanks for those, will check any I don't know out. However I should have probably made it clear that I am looking mainly for 'new' bands; incase there's something I've missed and that I do want something more than just 'chug'.

..In my post you quoted I should have probably mentioned that I quite like Xerath although again they're more a mixture of styles than just Djent.

...and yes Hornet, between my brother and I we have all the Necrosanct albums. Definitely not forgotten.

[Goldent147]

hornet said:

I'm equally baffled how anyone could listen to Asking Alexandria and not think "blimey, sounds like every other modern metal band, and christ those vocals are generic", but there you go. YMMV. I just can't find anything about them or that style to like. There's no soul to it whatsoever, just sounds like someone pressed a button marked "identikit modern screamo metal band" and out they popped.

YMMV = ??

Name me another band who sound the same as Asking Alexandria

[JaymzDead]

hornet said:

Shall we have an old school death metal love-in? Immolation

Also, anyone else remember this?

Necrosanct

Edited by hornet on Monday 12th September 00:49

Immolation rule, Dawn of Possessiom is in my top 10 death metal albums without a shadow of a doubt. Hadn't heard Necrosanct before, good stuff.

Some more old school goodness, Incantation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCetF8PPPbQ and the daddies of it all Possessed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKxzrjlvXTM

[CommanderJameson]

Goldent147 said:

YMMV = ??

Name me another band who sound the same as Asking Alexandria

A Dark Halo.

ETA: Corrected name of band. Darkhalo is a minimalistic d'n'b netlabel artist.

Edited by CommanderJameson on Monday 12th September 13:38

[Nom de ploom]

anyone got seb bachs' new album kicking and screaming?

worth a listen?

[hornet]

Goldent147 said:

YMMV = ??

Name me another band who sound the same as Asking Alexandria

YMMV = Your mileage may vary.

Bullet For My Valentine aren't exactly a million miles away are they? Even the likes of Sylosis follow much the same blueprint, albeit from a more thrash based start point. It's the vocals more than anything, but the song writing is also very "by numbers". Has the quiet bit, then the screamo bit with the singer crouched down clutching the microphone in both hands, some stop starty stuff, then the growly bit, some twiddling, clean emotive chorus to show the sensitive side, more screaming, then a little flurry before the finish. I'll have a YouTube trawl when I'm free from the shackles of corporate firewalls. Reckon I could get to ten without too much trouble.

[Goldent147]

Bullet For My Valentine are far more melodic than Asking Alexandria and don't have the synth elements in their song structures.

Again, Sylosis have very little melody (if none at all) after their previous vocalist deaprted last year. One of the single most exiciting new metal bands that the UK has produced over the last decade - they absolutely blew me away at Sonisphere and at the Thekla.

You could argue that death metal song writing is equally as linear, as with most bands you really find it difficult to hear what the tracks are about. Despite this, I'm open and varied enough to know that there is a fairly large place for the genre in today's metal communtiy and I actually listen to a fair bit of material now and then.

Edited by Goldent147 on Monday 12th September 14:01

[Gompo]

Goldent147,

Can you please link us some songs by AA that show their interesting riffs and uniqueness?

I'm not sure the Death Metal comparison works, regardless of song structure and the differences in technicality you can start with the variety in the production. All of the bands we've discussed as being 'Modern' have that same digital/clean/polished/crunchy sound to them. Sometimes it works.

[tuscaneer]

it is what it is i think.periphery,fellsilent,circles etc. really need a tightness,almost synthetic quality to the production wheras black flag would sound ridiculous with even a tenth of the production quality.funnily enough,and as much as i bang on about symphonic standards of production, i have noticed a lot of the remastered old thrash and metal(particularly AAD and ADD)just doesn't sound right now it isn't on vinyl anymore.

i don't see any point in arguing about it.we all like what we like.while most of what i listen to happens to be on the heavy/melancholly side of the fence my music collection is massively varied.i don't feel like i get hung up on if something is metal or not,underground or mainstream.

a lot of my most listened to favourites aren't "heavy" in a metal sense at all.depeche mode,sting/police,midnight oil,flamenco in general etc.fk me,i've even got the madonna album something to remember!!there's quite a lot of shoegazer material on ther i'm telling you!!!

on a separate note,who is that new "metal" band that are all dressed up like kiss??? all make up and glam looking but trying very hard to be metal??i think in one of the videos they fall to earth as if they are meteorites or something?? load of bks anyway