Uk club racing after covid19?

[Steve H]

There will be plenty other issues will come up that help guide the return to racing but anyway I’m sure we will be able to return to proper race discussions over the coming week or two as the clubs announce their revised timetables .

[Drumroll]

Rockatansky said:

mcdjl said:

On nice days posts will be fine, marshals can spread along the wall easily enough. Only the observer or flaggy will get the good view mind you. Its the rainy days when everyone wants shelter that it'll be a pain.
Most race controls on the other hand well be the difficult bit.

Race control is a good shout, social distancing will not be easy in there (not the one I'm used to anyway).

I can think of a couple of radio controllers who will be happy if there aren't so many people in race control. There still seems to be little if any cooperation in clubs planning their meetings. This is likely to cause staffing issues. With the best will in the world One person can only attend one meeting at a time.

Added to that I am not convinced that there will be the marshals, rescue crews etc to cover all meetings that some people are proposing.
Don't forget it is the same marshals and rescue crews that will not only be at circuits but also sprints and hillclimbs, as well as some who do rallies also.

[cjslator]

Drumroll said:

Don't forget it is the same marshals and rescue crews that will not only be at circuits but also sprints and hillclimbs, as well as some who do rallies also.

And the same people who have not had opportunity to spend time with their families and friends during this period.

[Drumroll]

cjslator said:

And the same people who have not had opportunity to spend time with their families and friends during this period.

True, and from seeing the comments on some of the marshalling forums there are quite a few who are not planning on doing many if any meetings this year. l have already said I will not be out every weekend, when racing returns.

[df76]

Drumroll said:

cjslator said:

And the same people who have not had opportunity to spend time with their families and friends during this period.

True, and from seeing the comments on some of the marshalling forums there are quite a few who are not planning on doing many if any meetings this year. l have already said I will not be out every weekend, when racing returns.

It’s unlikely that I’ll be able to compete in 2020, but I’ll be doing my best to support local events by marshalling if I can. They are bound to be short.

[ChevronB19]

Steve H said:

ChevronB19 said:

As an ex instructor (a mere grade C), I was terrified enough by some of the people I instructed, and that was before coronavirus!

I’m guessing you spent a fair bit of time working on experience days? I find trackdayers to be much more "invested" in getting back in one piece .

Yep, almost exclusively experience days. High turnover of customers, tight timescales etc. We were given free reign to allow people to press in if we were happy with them. Best customers were women of all ages, and men under the age of about 25. Over 25 they thought they knew it all. In fairness it could be very rewarding getting the nervous ones to be a bit more confident, some of them had genuine natural talent once it was encouraged.

[Steve H]

Sounds about right. It’s a great way to get seat time as an instructor but does start to feel more like crowd control after a while.

My general rule nowadays is to be sat in cars that are owned by the driver, it’s harder and faster work but a lot more interesting.

Apologies for being off-topic again

[Rockatansky]

https://www.motorsportuk.org/restart/

[ChevronB19]

Rockatansky said:

https://www.motorsportuk.org/restart/

Yep, just got that. Haven’t read it in any detail yet, but it looks like self declaration of scrutineering will go ahead. Not sure about that to be honest.

[Rockatansky]

ChevronB19 said:

Yep, just got that. Haven’t read it in any detail yet, but it looks like self declaration of scrutineering will go ahead. Not sure about that to be honest.

Yes, I have reservations about that too. I guess we just have to make the best of whatever season we get though.

[BertBert]

wow, all looks pretty ghastly to me. Glad they are having a go and I'm sure it'll work out somehow, but all feels pretty vile.
Bert

[df76]

Great to see the amount of effort in getting some racing this year and also in 2021. Obviously a lot more detail to come in many areas, and a few clarifications required, but it's a starting point at least.

[BertBert]

I'm probably just grumpy as I can't join in. But yes looks like a huge amount of effort gone in to it!

[Dynion Araf Uchaf]

Rockatansky said:

ChevronB19 said:

Yep, just got that. Haven’t read it in any detail yet, but it looks like self declaration of scrutineering will go ahead. Not sure about that to be honest.

Yes, I have reservations about that too. I guess we just have to make the best of whatever season we get though.

I told you all earlier in the thread about e log books, scrutineering, sign on etc. And I am right! THEY LISTEN TO ME and ME ONLY!

[ChevronB19]

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

Rockatansky said:

ChevronB19 said:

Yep, just got that. Haven’t read it in any detail yet, but it looks like self declaration of scrutineering will go ahead. Not sure about that to be honest.

Yes, I have reservations about that too. I guess we just have to make the best of whatever season we get though.

I told you all earlier in the thread about e log books, scrutineering, sign on etc. And I am right! THEY LISTEN TO ME and ME ONLY!

I bow to your prescience! I write guidance for t’government on occasions, this is typical guidance. The audience wants rules and instructions, the author is too unwilling to commit for fear of consequences. Hence about 14 pages of ‘stuff’, 2 pages of vague ideas, and no content.

[Drumroll]

Well unless I get a lot more details I will not be attending any meetings.

[df76]

Drumroll said:

Well unless I get a lot more details I will not be attending any meetings.

Well, without more details being presented by the MSUK and organising clubs there wouldn’t be any events. We’ll just have to wait a few weeks.

[McSam]

Drumroll said:

cjslator said:

And the same people who have not had opportunity to spend time with their families and friends during this period.

True, and from seeing the comments on some of the marshalling forums there are quite a few who are not planning on doing many if any meetings this year. l have already said I will not be out every weekend, when racing returns.

I expected this as well, but BMMC's response to yesterday's Motorsport UK release is interesting and suggests they expect - or perhaps are already seeing - the opposite.

BMMC said:

Motorsport UK have today released their strategy to restart Motorsport disciplines in the U.K. The guidance released is for Race, Rally, Speed, Kart and club events with other disciplines expected to follow in due course.

This document is primarily for organisers, however I have been representing the marshals as part of a select panel of industry professionals who have been chosen to design the timescale and structures of how and when we can go racing again.

Organising clubs will determine their new meeting dates or schedules. Most clubs recognise that the fairest distribution of track time will not envisage catching up on all missed events but will plan a shortened championship timetable in the remaining calendar. So whilst there may be some changes to come it is unlikely that every available date and venue will be filled through to Christmas.

As a club the BMMC will wait until dates are confirmed before adding / changing the volunteering calendar but be assured we will update as soon as possible – probably early June and will advise once live.

The guidelines published will clearly affect how events will operate to ensure social distancing, protection of drivers, officials and medical staff. These guidelines are generic and each event, venue and club will need to ensure that they are able to comply. Every venue, every club, teams, marshals, medics and every single competitor has been experiencing the very same challenges. These complexities need to be worked through and determined accordingly.

Motorsport UK are planning additional webinars, forums, clarification and FAQ documents in order to support these guidelines. I recommend that you try to join any that are offered (we will send details when we receive) and of relevance to you as well as watch for updates from us, clubs, venues and the government. We will of course be on hand to answer questions and queries accordingly.

Please can I ask for your continued patience and adherence to any club requests. Some events will be requiring fewer marshals than “normal” to meet the guidelines which may result in your application being declined where volunteer numbers are high. Some reduction in availability will be expected due to work commitments, shielding etc so please ensure you adjust your dates where applicable to help offset the reduced numbers.

Please accept and respect the club’s decisions - which will not be easy. Hopefully this initial guidance will gradually be relaxed and a sense of normality and socialising returns and you can once again attend as many events as you are able.

Until then Motorsport can wait a little longer. Please stay safe.

https://www.motorsportuk.org/restart/

Nadine Lewis
BMMC Chair

[mcdjl]

McSam said:

Drumroll said:

cjslator said:

And the same people who have not had opportunity to spend time with their families and friends during this period.

True, and from seeing the comments on some of the marshalling forums there are quite a few who are not planning on doing many if any meetings this year. l have already said I will not be out every weekend, when racing returns.

I expected this as well, but BMMC's response to yesterday's Motorsport UK release is interesting and suggests they expect - or perhaps are already seeing - the opposite.

BMMC said:

Motorsport UK have today released their strategy to restart Motorsport disciplines in the U.K. The guidance released is for Race, Rally, Speed, Kart and club events with other disciplines expected to follow in due course.

This document is primarily for organisers, however I have been representing the marshals as part of a select panel of industry professionals who have been chosen to design the timescale and structures of how and when we can go racing again.

Organising clubs will determine their new meeting dates or schedules. Most clubs recognise that the fairest distribution of track time will not envisage catching up on all missed events but will plan a shortened championship timetable in the remaining calendar. So whilst there may be some changes to come it is unlikely that every available date and venue will be filled through to Christmas.

As a club the BMMC will wait until dates are confirmed before adding / changing the volunteering calendar but be assured we will update as soon as possible – probably early June and will advise once live.

The guidelines published will clearly affect how events will operate to ensure social distancing, protection of drivers, officials and medical staff. These guidelines are generic and each event, venue and club will need to ensure that they are able to comply. Every venue, every club, teams, marshals, medics and every single competitor has been experiencing the very same challenges. These complexities need to be worked through and determined accordingly.

Motorsport UK are planning additional webinars, forums, clarification and FAQ documents in order to support these guidelines. I recommend that you try to join any that are offered (we will send details when we receive) and of relevance to you as well as watch for updates from us, clubs, venues and the government. We will of course be on hand to answer questions and queries accordingly.

Please can I ask for your continued patience and adherence to any club requests. Some events will be requiring fewer marshals than “normal” to meet the guidelines which may result in your application being declined where volunteer numbers are high. Some reduction in availability will be expected due to work commitments, shielding etc so please ensure you adjust your dates where applicable to help offset the reduced numbers.

Please accept and respect the club’s decisions - which will not be easy. Hopefully this initial guidance will gradually be relaxed and a sense of normality and socialising returns and you can once again attend as many events as you are able.

Until then Motorsport can wait a little longer. Please stay safe.

https://www.motorsportuk.org/restart/

Nadine Lewis
BMMC Chair

Part of me feel is that might be related to done of the big events that generally have most marshals, btcc/ F1/wec. No doubt some events will be begging for extra bodies as usual!

[df76]

Castle Combe Racing Club has announced their plans for the rest of 2020. First meeting will be 4th July, closed to spectators and run just for their "home" series. A positive start.