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I can understand the reasoning behind it but in practice it's likely to make a mockery of the whole race meeting. Palmer isn't interested in great racing, just his bottom line and the condition of his grass.
Anyone who has done any racing knows it's really hard to be inch perfect every lap, especially when in a group of cars swapping places. I can see there being many black flags (and disquals) at the BTCC meeting if Palmer gets his way.
I tested at Brands 2 weeks ago and had the poor pitlane marshal wandering up and down with his laminated piece of paper showing anyone if they strayed once off the tarmac and warnings not to do it again.
Donington yesterday - no one gave a monkeys. Chicane was being cut as you could see the dirt on the track (GP loop) and going wide at the old hairpin as I did a couple of times wasn't an issue.
As I said right at the beginning, this has nothing to do with racing or skill. It's something Palmer has got into his system and wants to force every driver to obey his command.
The pressure strips are at the end of each kerb section. So you could run off the kerb and pull it back before the pressure strips without setting it off. Cameras are pointed at each area and a close up and full photo are taking automatically. 1 person monitors the camera and is looking at it throughout the race.
He'll spend over £200k to install this same system at all MSV circuits before the BTCC rounds.
In testing if you get 4 warnings you won't be able to re join the track for 20mins.
Honestly - we should boycott MSV circuits in protest but I bet 90% of club racers don't even know about this and the first time they hear about it will be when the visit the circuit for the first time this year.
Donington yesterday - no one gave a monkeys. Chicane was being cut as you could see the dirt on the track (GP loop) and going wide at the old hairpin as I did a couple of times wasn't an issue.
As I said right at the beginning, this has nothing to do with racing or skill. It's something Palmer has got into his system and wants to force every driver to obey his command.
The pressure strips are at the end of each kerb section. So you could run off the kerb and pull it back before the pressure strips without setting it off. Cameras are pointed at each area and a close up and full photo are taking automatically. 1 person monitors the camera and is looking at it throughout the race.
He'll spend over £200k to install this same system at all MSV circuits before the BTCC rounds.
In testing if you get 4 warnings you won't be able to re join the track for 20mins.
Honestly - we should boycott MSV circuits in protest but I bet 90% of club racers don't even know about this and the first time they hear about it will be when the visit the circuit for the first time this year.
but it doesn't make the grass grow !
Don`t agree about the go off and pull it back on argument either evidence from today is the sensors are set at just the right point.
The system is so far reliable and very automated but allows for review of video pre and post the sensor being activated , I would say its a good introduction as it is consistent and fair and a sensible application of technology. Looking forward to the weekend.
Didn't have to put many toys back in prams today either but the ignorance of the new changes is astounding among even instructors and co-ordinators. Think the juniors have the biggest challenge so far!
I would compare it to the introduction of the hawkeye machine in tennis , the lbw monitor in cricket and the goal line technology in football. certainly 2 out of 3 were controversial on introduction but now accepted technology.
Don`t agree about the go off and pull it back on argument either evidence from today is the sensors are set at just the right point.
The system is so far reliable and very automated but allows for review of video pre and post the sensor being activated , I would say its a good introduction as it is consistent and fair and a sensible application of technology. Looking forward to the weekend.
Didn't have to put many toys back in prams today either but the ignorance of the new changes is astounding among even instructors and co-ordinators. Think the juniors have the biggest challenge so far!
I would compare it to the introduction of the hawkeye machine in tennis , the lbw monitor in cricket and the goal line technology in football. certainly 2 out of 3 were controversial on introduction but now accepted technology.
mad4amanda said:
but it doesn't make the grass grow !
Don`t agree about the go off and pull it back on argument either evidence from today is the sensors are set at just the right point.
The system is so far reliable and very automated but allows for review of video pre and post the sensor being activated , I would say its a good introduction as it is consistent and fair and a sensible application of technology. Looking forward to the weekend.
Didn't have to put many toys back in prams today either but the ignorance of the new changes is astounding among even instructors and co-ordinators. Think the juniors have the biggest challenge so far!
I would compare it to the introduction of the hawkeye machine in tennis , the lbw monitor in cricket and the goal line technology in football. certainly 2 out of 3 were controversial on introduction but now accepted technology.
I don't know if you race or just work for MSV - but this is nothing like Hawkeye. Mistakes happen in racing and people run wide occasionally. Donington is a great very well designed circuit, going wide seldom happens. Don`t agree about the go off and pull it back on argument either evidence from today is the sensors are set at just the right point.
The system is so far reliable and very automated but allows for review of video pre and post the sensor being activated , I would say its a good introduction as it is consistent and fair and a sensible application of technology. Looking forward to the weekend.
Didn't have to put many toys back in prams today either but the ignorance of the new changes is astounding among even instructors and co-ordinators. Think the juniors have the biggest challenge so far!
I would compare it to the introduction of the hawkeye machine in tennis , the lbw monitor in cricket and the goal line technology in football. certainly 2 out of 3 were controversial on introduction but now accepted technology.
Re profile surtees and the problem is solved. This CCTV footage won't stop the protest and the hours us club racers will have to spend and having peoples weekends ruined.
I suspect that those cameras won't last long !
Kinkell said:
How about just keeping it on the track instead of the grass. I turf lawns for a living @ £ 10 per metre which is not the limiting factor in this instance. The stewards need do be consistent in their refereeing and that is the main and recurring cause for concern.
I've actually got no real problem with a change of rules regards track limits. I don't agree with it, think it's daft and with no benefit. But it's just a rule. We can all drive to it.What I really do have a problem with is some t
t circuit owner who thinks that racing life is made better by sensors and cameras.At the risk of getting told off, JP is a complete and utter tosser. Cameras and sensors have no place on his w
ky little circuits. WTF is he thinking?If this is the future of British circuit racing then I hope attendance goes down, JP goes out of business and we can get back to a sensible regime.
I think it's Donington, Combe, Pembrey, Angelsey and all the other non-MSV circuits from here on in.
Bert
Its not about penalising those that run wide occasionally but those that run wide consistently. Hence the use of technology to support the officials in their duties. The information provided by the system appears clear and precise, unlike some of the lines! But as you say you could avoid some great circuits and championships if you cant keep to the black stuff, not sure how re profiling Surtees will help either but assume you got confused and mean either Paddock Hill bend , Druids or Graham Hill Bend? All of which have had improvements in the past few years to aid drivers and/or limit damage to cars caused when they do occasionally run wide.
If you are worried about what happened years ago Terence, get real. We are not years ago we are now.
We had some perfectly good rules last year and where I raced, those rules were upheld properly and it worked well.
Now we have some dafter rules and some ridiculous enforcement techniques.
It's all at the whim of one man. That can't be right.
Bert
We had some perfectly good rules last year and where I raced, those rules were upheld properly and it worked well.
Now we have some dafter rules and some ridiculous enforcement techniques.
It's all at the whim of one man. That can't be right.
Bert
No, let's kick this new rule out and continue with the widespread use of 'sausage kerbs' and tyre bails on apexes. Much better to smash your car up and maybe take out the following car than suffer the indignity of being shown a driving standards flag!
Edited by Maxx on Tuesday 1st April 09:28
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