Citroen C1 Challenge

[geeks]

ribiero said:

geeks said:

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I agree with what Geeks said..

back on subject.. can you really get 2 signatures in one race weekend from C1 racing, that's almost a USP in itself

All endurance racing (any race over 6 hours IIRC) gives 2 signatures an event providing you do more than 1 stint!

[HustleRussell]

I presume people who are spending £6k+ preparing a Citroen C1 or Mazda RX-8 for the circuit aren't aware that you could buy a Caterham for £9k, win a championship in it and then sell it for £9k, incurring only running / repair costs. It's pretty much the cheapest way and the Caterham happens to be a much more convincing racing car.

Anybody who is interested in buying said car may PM me and I'll point them in the right direction (it isn't mine)

[andy97]

HustleRussell said:

I presume people who are spending £6k+ preparing a Citroen C1 or Mazda RX-8 for the circuit aren't aware that you could buy a Caterham for £9k, win a championship in it and then sell it for £9k, incurring only running / repair costs. It's pretty much the cheapest way and the Caterham happens to be a much more convincing racing car.

Anybody who is interested in buying said car may PM me and I'll point them in the right direction (it isn't mine)

To be fair, there are some key differences - people are selling prepared RX8 for £4750, at the cheapest option, and presumably the people concerned are making a small profit on that.

In C1s, a group of people can buy build a car between them for about £800 each and race it in a 24 hour race. I did.

That said, I also bought a Caterham 7 MegaGrad for about £9k, and whilst I can't enter a true endurance race with it, I can share it in a 40 min CSCC race. They are fantastic cars and are pretty cheap to run; cheaper than I anticipated. I wish I had bought one years ago; proper racing cars, and I won't be racing a C1 again. Make of that what you will!

[clubracing]

HustleRussell said:

I presume people who are spending £6k+ preparing a Citroen C1 or Mazda RX-8 for the circuit aren't aware that you could buy a Caterham for £9k, win a championship in it and then sell it for £9k, incurring only running / repair costs. It's pretty much the cheapest way and the Caterham happens to be a much more convincing racing car.

Anybody who is interested in buying said car may PM me and I'll point them in the right direction (it isn't mine)

If you spend £6K preparing a C1 and race it for a season, it'll be worth about that much at the end of the year too, but you're comparing apples with oranges.

For that sort of money I assume you're talking about a Caterham Classic? So the car you get will already have been racing for around 20 years, not a freshly built top spec car which is what £6K worth of C1 buys you.

And instead of an endurance event, with a single class of very evenly matched cars and capacity grids at most events.....it'll be single driver sprint races on a multi class Caterham Graduates grid, with only actually 10 cars (on a good day) in the Classic class.

Nothing wrong with Caterham Graduates racing, but it's not an alternative to C1 racing.

[andy97]

clubracing said:

If you spend £6K preparing a C1 and race it for a season, it'll be worth about that much at the end of the year too, but you're comparing apples with oranges.

For that sort of money I assume you're talking about a Caterham Classic? So the car you get will already have been racing for around 20 years, not a freshly built top spec car which is what £6K worth of C1 buys you.

And instead of an endurance event, with a single class of very evenly matched cars and capacity grids at most events.....it'll be single driver sprint races on a multi class Caterham Graduates grid, with only actually 10 cars (on a good day) in the Classic class.

Nothing wrong with Caterham Graduates racing, but it's not an alternative to C1 racing.

£9k bought me a MegaGrad. 1.6 K Series engine and TranX ‘box in very good condition.

Could be raced in Graduates but i race it in CSCC Magnificent 7s.

You are right, its not an alternative to C1 racing but having driven both i know which i prefer, in spades.

If there are 6 of you and you only have £800 each available to buy a C1.

If there are 2 of you and you have £2.5-3k each available buy an RX8.

If theres 2 of you with £5k each available either buy an RX8 each or a Caterham MegaGrad between you.

If you are on your own with £5k buy an RX8 or theres a host of fwd tin tops available. If you have ££9-10k buy a Caterham. And tbh if you have £6-10k available as an individual no one in their right mind would buy a C1.

Whatever people decide, i just hope that more people take up club racing rather than talking about it, doing track days or on their playstation. There are alternatives which mean it is achievable at most budgets if you look and are prepared to compromise.

[Rude-boy]

andy97 said:

If you are on your own with £5k buy an RX8 or theres a host of fwd tin tops available. If you have ££9-10k buy a Caterham. And tbh if you have £6-10k available as an individual no one in their right mind would buy a C1.

Whatever people decide, i just hope that more people take up club racing rather than talking about it, doing track days or on their playstation. There are alternatives which mean it is achievable at most budgets if you look and are prepared to compromise.

If you knew how connected I am to Caterham racing you'd laugh. I've driven many, many Caterhams over many years.

If I had £10k and a few handy mates locally I'd buy a C1 and they can pay for the tyres, fuel and what they break

Love Caterhams, but they are a totally different animal and mindset to something like C1s. If your number one, from the moment you got your ards, priority is to win come what may get a Caterham and you'll do well and likely love it.

Get a C1 and some mates and you'll piss yourselves over a reunion bbq for years win lose or retire 18 hours in.

[ribiero]

andy97 said:

If you are on your own with £5k buy an RX8 or theres a host of fwd tin tops available. If you have ££9-10k buy a Caterham. And tbh if you have £6-10k available as an individual no one in their right mind would buy a C1.

another great sum up for thread.

loads of production based race cars for 3-5k on ebay, i've just bought one, not enough mates committed to c1/enduroka as a 2nd race car.

RX8 is basically "new daz is great, old daz is rubbish" theres 2-3 series every year. "i'm sparticus, no i'm sparticus" - "i'm the cheapest way to go racing, no i'm the cheapest way to go racing" it's almost like the only people who say that are trying to sell you something...

Incidently anyone race in a c1 team with a bunch of randoms? how was it?

[AWRacing]

ribiero said:

another great sum up for thread.

loads of production based race cars for 3-5k on ebay, i've just bought one, not enough mates committed to c1/enduroka as a 2nd race car.

RX8 is basically "new daz is great, old daz is rubbish" theres 2-3 series every year. "i'm sparticus, no i'm sparticus" - "i'm the cheapest way to go racing, no i'm the cheapest way to go racing" it's almost like the only people who say that are trying to sell you something...

Incidently anyone race in a c1 team with a bunch of randoms? how was it?

I did at the last Rock 24hr. Knew the guys who owned the car but they rented out all the seats. Would i race in a team where i didnt know the drivers again, possibly not. I think its more fun racing with people you know and even better know their history of racing.

[bqf]

Having done the first and last C1 24Hours at Rockingham, I've walked away from C1s.

I have to be honest, the novelty of endurance/night racing wore off after the first one. The second race, I was acutely aware I was driving round Rockingham in a C1, and was bored stless after a while.

Costs-wise, as a team we fked it up and so it was easily £2,000. Did I have £2,000 worth of fun? Absolutely not.

[rallycross]

bqf said:

Having done the first and last C1 24Hours at Rockingham, I've walked away from C1s.

I have to be honest, the novelty of endurance/night racing wore off after the first one. The second race, I was acutely aware I was driving round Rockingham in a C1, and was bored stless after a while.

Costs-wise, as a team we fked it up and so it was easily £2,000. Did I have £2,000 worth of fun? Absolutely not.

Interesting to hear you were bored in the second 24 hr race, I'd love to do a 24 hr event but no way would I pay £2k for the pleasure (or pain) how cheaply do people get drives for in these 24 hr events? The risk is also that one of your team mates stuffs the car before you even get to drive it in which case you lose the money and get nothing back for it.....

[HustleRussell]

I would like to do a 24h race one day too. Think I’d rather do the classic 2CV though. Slower than a C1 but I imagine less mundane.

[geeks]

rallycross said:

Interesting to hear you were bored in the second 24 hr race, I'd love to do a 24 hr event but no way would I pay £2k for the pleasure (or pain) how cheaply do people get drives for in these 24 hr events? The risk is also that one of your team mates stuffs the car before you even get to drive it in which case you lose the money and get nothing back for it.....

That £2k will be made up of; entry, fuel, tyres, food etc. The entry was circa £2k per team, generally you would have 4 drivers sharing so the costs go four ways. We actually did it for far less for Rockingham and finished in the top 10 on both occasions. Our costs ran at about £1500 each.

Silverstone next month which is more, entry was £3500 (iirc), tyres will be less, fuel about the same, food etc all the same. Will work out about £1800 each. £2k each feels very, very high, especially for Rockingham unless you sustain huge amounts of damage, we suffered only a dented wing over the whole 24 hours

Also don't balk at that cost too much, when you work out that you are paying for 6 hours of track time per driver plus qualifying it actually works out much better value than sprint races!

HustleRussell said:

I would like to do a 24h race one day too. Think I’d rather do the classic 2CV though. Slower than a C1 but I imagine less mundane.

I can't honestly how see how it would be less mundane than a C1, while they aren't exciting in terms of out and out pace driving one as fast as possible for 2 hours at a time can be tricky, maintaining as much momentum as you can at all times is technique that requires practice and is pretty rewarding when you know you are lapping faster than someone else with the exact same machine built to the exact same spec!

[l354uge]

andy97 said:

Whatever people decide, i just hope that more people take up club racing rather than talking about it, doing track days or on their playstation. There are alternatives which mean it is achievable at most budgets if you look and are prepared to compromise.

Its a big jump from spending £200 all in for a trackday (240 miles managed) in my £500 mx5 to spending £1500 for similar track time in a C1 (before counting in the safety gear). Even a 24 hour kart race is only £270 between 6 (i know karts aren't the same)

I'd love to do it within the next few years and will be attending a taster day or two in the winter, but with a minimal budget and not many mates interested it's going to be a struggle. I'm just happy to have graduated from simulators to the real track.

[LDM]

Would love to have a go at something like this!

[andy97]

l354uge said:

Its a big jump from spending £200 all in for a trackday (240 miles managed) in my £500 mx5 to spending £1500 for similar track time in a C1 (before counting in the safety gear). Even a 24 hour kart race is only £270 between 6 (i know karts aren't the same)
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Sure, its a big jump. But the MASSIVE difference is that you are racing. I know that sounds obvious but no track day can ever compare to that.
It isnt just about track time; it is about competing.