Ultima GTR vs. FFR GTM?
Discussion
Stig said:
FACT: Hurricane - can you refrain from posting in this forum unless you've got something useful to say, rather than supposition about whether a GTM is better than an Ultima, which only serves to rile the regular contributors.
I'm pleased the GTM toasts your buns (as it were), but this is an Ultima forum and you can't expect to come here (especially as a newbie) and post negative/provocative comments about a car that most of the forum contributors support, without coming in for a veritable 24-pack of whoop-ass (as you might put it).
For the record, please post GTM 'opinion' in the Kit Car forum - that's what it's there for, as the GTM is unequivocably a kit car, not a component built supercar.
Stig. First off let me give you my fullest heartfelt congradulations on the name. I LOVE Top gear and while on the subect of Stig and Ultima I wish there had been a longer segment on the Ultima on said show.I'm pleased the GTM toasts your buns (as it were), but this is an Ultima forum and you can't expect to come here (especially as a newbie) and post negative/provocative comments about a car that most of the forum contributors support, without coming in for a veritable 24-pack of whoop-ass (as you might put it).
For the record, please post GTM 'opinion' in the Kit Car forum - that's what it's there for, as the GTM is unequivocably a kit car, not a component built supercar.
Ok I admit not all of my facts were unbiased but you have to admit most were true. I DID think it was always a test mule for Maclaren. I was wrong and I appologise. Ive been a fan of the Ultima since I was in highschoole ten years ago. My frind still has UltimaGTR500 or sum such as his email, user name, etc and we get into many heated debates since I switched from Ultima groupy to Factory Five Fanatic. He claims purity in form. I claim comfort and looks with 95% of the performance. He claims the looks I love hurt the aewrodynamics a bit. etc etc
He is saving for a GTR. Im Saving and selling for a GTM.
Now I must disagree with your assesment that the GTR and GTM differ on purrity because the majority of the difference is as follows.
Theyre BOTH cusotm race frames
Theyre BOTH custom bodied
Theyre both EXTENSIVLY researched and thought out.
Theyre both relativly the same in many ways.
weight distribution.
drivetrain
drivetrain layout
The big difference in "purity" is that while the GTR eses vette and chevy engines....the GTM also uses the vettes suspension.
To that I say that the Vette suspension IS AMAZING. Lightweight perfectly made aluminum components...and whatever is below your standards you can
(with the money saved in intial kit cost)buy multiple race sets or have your one cutum bespoke set made.
They're both component built supercars sir. And theyre both kit cars. One just uses a few more parts. and theyre FANTASTIC parts!
as for weather or not Im a regular? I am. This was just the first thread I HAD to post in. So I "joined" recently but have read off and on for a long while.
custom frames
custom bodies
porsche transaxles
chevy engines
similer weight distribution and everything else
Lets not play symantics
Theyre both supercars in thier own right.
The GTM is edged a little more towards style and the GTR is more purpouse built for racing.
crafty said:
Hurricane Tiger said:
I am sorry Steven. I love ..... blah... blah... blah....
Go on.... admit it..... the GTR is better than the GTMI RESPECT THAT!
But the GTM is here now. It will perform within 5% in time. And do it with a stylish panache, and comfort, rolldown windows and ease that the GTR just cant. And its only major detrement will be the extra 100 pounds roll down windows and such weigh.
They are both great cars.
I'll take the GTM.
Ill slide in easy, be comfortable, turn on the ac, push the button for the power windows, stretch out, and pull the same laps you do a half second behind. And look good doing it. With tens of thousands extra in my bank acount through the years to buy a nice red to drown my sorrows in.
Seriously. Both great cars.
If I want to win the race I'll take the Ultima. If I want to win the race and then drive around town in comfort and style ...the GTM.
Hurricane Tiger said:
If I want to win the race I'll take the Ultima. If I want to win the race and then drive around town in comfort and style ...the GTM.
...there's a problem with your logic here and you're going to need dark tinting on your roll up windows to fix it.....If there's a GTM and a GTR at the same race, you're not going to win the race, so you'll need to wind up your tinted windows and hide in shame as you drive around town (a loser but) in comfort and style - nir nir nir nir nir
hehehe.
d3vine said:
Hey Crafty, one of my friends saw your car in Hong Kong while he was there making a movie. He said, he thought it was a Ferrari. After I told him, it's built from components, he said the fit and finish look production to him.
.... did he say I was driving around in "comfort and style"
Here is a cost estimation breakdown of a GTM build found on the GTM forum.
http://www.ffcobra.com/forums/showpost.php?p=713359&postcount=13
It's a pretty broad margin, as one would expect. You could claim it is a 40k kit car, but 55-75k is probably more realistic.
http://www.ffcobra.com/forums/showpost.php?p=713359&postcount=13
It's a pretty broad margin, as one would expect. You could claim it is a 40k kit car, but 55-75k is probably more realistic.
Wow. I've refrained from posting on this, as the guy really has no idea. Argue with an idiot and he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.
A couple of slight errors...
GT2/GT3 transaxles are 10-14K.
Add 3K for an adaptor, clutch, flywheel, etc...
Add 5-10K for paint
Add 4K+ for racing brakes
Add 3K+ for racing wheels and tires
Add 2-7K for racing shocks
Add 2K for racing seats
Use an LS7 and add another 15K + headers, etc...
The list goes on and on.
Both cars cost the same. The difference is in marketing. Most Ultima owners are looking to build a supercar, and buy top notch quality 9read expensive) components. Talk to CMS about a race transaxle and pricing starts at 12K. The GTM is targeted to someone willing to run stock brakes, stock wheels, cheaper shocks, etc... and save a buck. It's not a bad car, just targeted to a different market. I can tell you if I put all the things in my Ultima into a GTM it would be one hell of an expensive GTM.
Could you build a GTM or GTR for 40K. Yea probably, but you might not like the result. On the flip side you could build 150K examples of both, of which more people go that route with the GTR.
Styling is to each their own. I really dislike the GTM styling, but I like the fact that it uses Corvette suspension. Do I like that they use Corvette radiators, etc... not so much. It's all trade offs.
And I have sat in both and own a GTR.
A couple of slight errors...
GT2/GT3 transaxles are 10-14K.
Add 3K for an adaptor, clutch, flywheel, etc...
Add 5-10K for paint
Add 4K+ for racing brakes
Add 3K+ for racing wheels and tires
Add 2-7K for racing shocks
Add 2K for racing seats
Use an LS7 and add another 15K + headers, etc...
The list goes on and on.
Both cars cost the same. The difference is in marketing. Most Ultima owners are looking to build a supercar, and buy top notch quality 9read expensive) components. Talk to CMS about a race transaxle and pricing starts at 12K. The GTM is targeted to someone willing to run stock brakes, stock wheels, cheaper shocks, etc... and save a buck. It's not a bad car, just targeted to a different market. I can tell you if I put all the things in my Ultima into a GTM it would be one hell of an expensive GTM.
Could you build a GTM or GTR for 40K. Yea probably, but you might not like the result. On the flip side you could build 150K examples of both, of which more people go that route with the GTR.
Styling is to each their own. I really dislike the GTM styling, but I like the fact that it uses Corvette suspension. Do I like that they use Corvette radiators, etc... not so much. It's all trade offs.
And I have sat in both and own a GTR.
One glaring difference between the GTR and GTM is that the GTR is a complete build (every nut and bolt minus engine/trans-axle), vs. the GTM which requires a donor car to complete it. When you factor in a donor car, you add big questions marks to the sourcing of parts, as well as the cost and quality of them. This is probably where the majority of the build costs come into play. Your car is only as good as the parts you put into it, and I would think the Corvette donor parts are going to be a grade of quality lower than the Ultima parts right from the get go.
To me, when I think "kit car", I immediately think "donor parts", which is why it is hard to lump an Ultima into the "kit car" category. The GTM however, is plainly a kit car.
To me, when I think "kit car", I immediately think "donor parts", which is why it is hard to lump an Ultima into the "kit car" category. The GTM however, is plainly a kit car.
Edited by mohrt on Monday 12th November 14:15
Hurricane Tiger said:
I still dont appreciate seats that close together or the obvious difficulty of entering and exiting the cockpit.
Moving weight further from the centreline of the car will change the handling for the worseYou might also like to research the rational about having the centre of gravity a long way from the roll axis, and then decide for yourself wether the application of the vet suspension is suited in a mid engine application (as used by more than just the GTM)
In relation to bias – not currently building anything – researching and saving.
Wow, fun stuff.
Both cars are great and everyone here in the Ult. crowd is right on in my opinion. Can't really compare the two, although they may well both the considered by many people going down this road. I was in love with the Ultima when I first saw it, but like this poster the hardtop leaves a little to be desired in the looks department....so it was Can Am for me (nothing against the GTR guys it really is AWESOME! just not the coupe for me although I would definetly love one just not in my top 5 build list and we can't have them all.....can we?????)
Then I saw the GTM and liked the looks and price, but didnt feel it was up to the Ultima in quality. Plus the Vette suspension, although awesome, is not designed for a mid engined car as has been stated here.
Then I saw this, and it will be my next car, followed by a Can Am so I can get the building experience as well!
http://www.superlitecars.com/
The RCR Supler Light Coupe.....
Aluminum radiator
Twin electric fans
Stainless steel cooling tubes
Stainless steel and braided brake lines
Triple pedals in stainless steel with master cylinders and brake bias adjuster
Collapsible steering column
Quick release steering wheel
Cable shifter
Custom fiberglass seats
Digidash pro dash
20 circuit colour coded wiring harness
15 gallon fuel tank mid mounted behind seat per Le Mans spec
Functional roof scoop feed cabin with aircraft style vents
DOT windscreen
Hinged rear glass for engine access
Chassis mounted adjustable rear wing
Pushrod rear suspension
Engine bay will accept any longitudinal engine trans package
Production car style dash
AC system
Gelcoat finish body with sStainless steel alignment pins
4 inches ground clearance with removable side skirts and front spoiler for track package
Rear diffuser included
All of the above is included the deluxe package
Price: 43,995
Thats half what the Ultima costs from the factory.
Also, this cars suspension setup is based on a number of very very high end race and super cars and is custom built just for this car like the Ultima.
Again, LOVE the Ultima, it rules. Very proven. I have sat in a number of cars at a gathering in Sycamore, IL. One black car with carbon interior was especially well done!
Both cars are great and everyone here in the Ult. crowd is right on in my opinion. Can't really compare the two, although they may well both the considered by many people going down this road. I was in love with the Ultima when I first saw it, but like this poster the hardtop leaves a little to be desired in the looks department....so it was Can Am for me (nothing against the GTR guys it really is AWESOME! just not the coupe for me although I would definetly love one just not in my top 5 build list and we can't have them all.....can we?????)
Then I saw the GTM and liked the looks and price, but didnt feel it was up to the Ultima in quality. Plus the Vette suspension, although awesome, is not designed for a mid engined car as has been stated here.
Then I saw this, and it will be my next car, followed by a Can Am so I can get the building experience as well!
http://www.superlitecars.com/
The RCR Supler Light Coupe.....
Aluminum radiator
Twin electric fans
Stainless steel cooling tubes
Stainless steel and braided brake lines
Triple pedals in stainless steel with master cylinders and brake bias adjuster
Collapsible steering column
Quick release steering wheel
Cable shifter
Custom fiberglass seats
Digidash pro dash
20 circuit colour coded wiring harness
15 gallon fuel tank mid mounted behind seat per Le Mans spec
Functional roof scoop feed cabin with aircraft style vents
DOT windscreen
Hinged rear glass for engine access
Chassis mounted adjustable rear wing
Pushrod rear suspension
Engine bay will accept any longitudinal engine trans package
Production car style dash
AC system
Gelcoat finish body with sStainless steel alignment pins
4 inches ground clearance with removable side skirts and front spoiler for track package
Rear diffuser included
All of the above is included the deluxe package
Price: 43,995
Thats half what the Ultima costs from the factory.
Also, this cars suspension setup is based on a number of very very high end race and super cars and is custom built just for this car like the Ultima.
Again, LOVE the Ultima, it rules. Very proven. I have sat in a number of cars at a gathering in Sycamore, IL. One black car with carbon interior was especially well done!
Dave Smith Quote (owner of FFR)
Complete Kits, Mk3, Coupe, GTM:
"The complexity of the complete kit roadster project was so much more than meets the eye. Jesper in engineering and many others have worked for about a year and a half on this project. The parts involved, the regulatory effect, the sheer size, space and financial impact of this offering has virtually doubled our company efforts. We could’ve done this on the cheap and matched what some other companies are doing, but we wanted to do it better, and it was larger in scope than the announcement would have you think.
The complete kit project announced affects the roadster, but shortly it will encompass the remainder of the FFR kits. It’s effect is also changing the way we function in everything from the order desk to the outgoing shipping dept. We will always provide a base kit for the models mentioned, that will be donor car capable (little changed in concept from today) kit.
If you visit the factory today you will see Home Depot style racks and a mind boggling array of inventory items… and that is only the visible signs of this project.
The plan is to be ship ready with the complete kits the day after labor day, and then to apply the same boiler plate formula to the Coupe and GTM (with minor changes and upgrades where it matters to the Challenge car).
Integral to this work are small projects that are underway such as the GTM transaxle sourcing and development to support and augment this over-all “complete kit” focus.
At the end of the day, all of these projects should be well underway or completed by years end, with the GTM being the last."
Complete Kits, Mk3, Coupe, GTM:
"The complexity of the complete kit roadster project was so much more than meets the eye. Jesper in engineering and many others have worked for about a year and a half on this project. The parts involved, the regulatory effect, the sheer size, space and financial impact of this offering has virtually doubled our company efforts. We could’ve done this on the cheap and matched what some other companies are doing, but we wanted to do it better, and it was larger in scope than the announcement would have you think.
The complete kit project announced affects the roadster, but shortly it will encompass the remainder of the FFR kits. It’s effect is also changing the way we function in everything from the order desk to the outgoing shipping dept. We will always provide a base kit for the models mentioned, that will be donor car capable (little changed in concept from today) kit.
If you visit the factory today you will see Home Depot style racks and a mind boggling array of inventory items… and that is only the visible signs of this project.
The plan is to be ship ready with the complete kits the day after labor day, and then to apply the same boiler plate formula to the Coupe and GTM (with minor changes and upgrades where it matters to the Challenge car).
Integral to this work are small projects that are underway such as the GTM transaxle sourcing and development to support and augment this over-all “complete kit” focus.
At the end of the day, all of these projects should be well underway or completed by years end, with the GTM being the last."
Karlo said:
Dave Smith Quote (owner of FFR)
Complete Kits, Mk3, Coupe, GTM:
"The complexity of the complete kit roadster project was so much more than meets the eye. Jesper in engineering and many others have worked for about a year and a half on this project. The parts involved, the regulatory effect, the sheer size, space and financial impact of this offering has virtually doubled our company efforts. We could’ve done this on the cheap and matched what some other companies are doing, but we wanted to do it better, and it was larger in scope than the announcement would have you think.
The complete kit project announced affects the roadster, but shortly it will encompass the remainder of the FFR kits. It’s effect is also changing the way we function in everything from the order desk to the outgoing shipping dept. We will always provide a base kit for the models mentioned, that will be donor car capable (little changed in concept from today) kit.
If you visit the factory today you will see Home Depot style racks and a mind boggling array of inventory items… and that is only the visible signs of this project.
The plan is to be ship ready with the complete kits the day after labor day, and then to apply the same boiler plate formula to the Coupe and GTM (with minor changes and upgrades where it matters to the Challenge car).
Integral to this work are small projects that are underway such as the GTM transaxle sourcing and development to support and augment this over-all “complete kit” focus.
At the end of the day, all of these projects should be well underway or completed by years end, with the GTM being the last."
Oh...Was that a BOOYAH?Complete Kits, Mk3, Coupe, GTM:
"The complexity of the complete kit roadster project was so much more than meets the eye. Jesper in engineering and many others have worked for about a year and a half on this project. The parts involved, the regulatory effect, the sheer size, space and financial impact of this offering has virtually doubled our company efforts. We could’ve done this on the cheap and matched what some other companies are doing, but we wanted to do it better, and it was larger in scope than the announcement would have you think.
The complete kit project announced affects the roadster, but shortly it will encompass the remainder of the FFR kits. It’s effect is also changing the way we function in everything from the order desk to the outgoing shipping dept. We will always provide a base kit for the models mentioned, that will be donor car capable (little changed in concept from today) kit.
If you visit the factory today you will see Home Depot style racks and a mind boggling array of inventory items… and that is only the visible signs of this project.
The plan is to be ship ready with the complete kits the day after labor day, and then to apply the same boiler plate formula to the Coupe and GTM (with minor changes and upgrades where it matters to the Challenge car).
Integral to this work are small projects that are underway such as the GTM transaxle sourcing and development to support and augment this over-all “complete kit” focus.
At the end of the day, all of these projects should be well underway or completed by years end, with the GTM being the last."
Hey guys...Its me.....
I think I told you all in the past that I was going to have a Factory Five GTM. and build it all the way up for under 75,000.00 in the next year.
What I didnt tell you is that this was going to be because of a lifetimes work on my parents rentals and bieng a good son etc.
It was something my "mommy" promised me for always bieng the good kid, always chipping in all my money when the family needed it, and generaly bieng the one they could count on especialy in the hard times.
My mom was also helping me finance my GTM to help me and my father get closer together as all we have in common is a love of cars and the disabled daschsounds we save in our rescue.
My mother passed the 17th of november peacefully in her sleep, surrounded by her loved ones and after a verry good day. She had MANY friends and had helped countless people as the director of a non profit agency for the disabled, took in the homeless as a landlord, and spending thousands a month on her true calling....rescuing and protecting neglected and abused "weiner dogs"
I want to appologise for any and all previous "shizen talk" and move forward in my dream in the future with the help and guidance of those wiser and more knowledgeable than me in this and the general automotive community.
Im still going to build a GTM, and actualy with the vast resources left to me MANY more cars and supercars.....with my dad.
In my moms passing with the exception of the dashie rescue its all my father and I have anymore. My mom was absolutely everything to us and her loss has had us drifting in our own sorrow for weeks until we picked up the pieces and decide to march on doing what she wanted....mainly because its good and as a way to feel closer to her.
My mom and dad were saving a million dollars to live her dream of traveling the the US in a superluxury RV and pick up disabled dashies....pay for their back surgeries and take them to new "forevor homes"
My father and I will be continuing her works but we'll be doing it in a super dualie with a MUCH cheaper trailer as we arent much for luxury or pop out screens.
My father has seen it benificial and my time to step up and take place at the head of our business dealings and run our properties in my moms passing.
As of now I am the landlord of four houses and two large ranches and everyday wishing for my moms guidance.
My father and I watch movies everynight, he donates to disables daschis, and we in general try and keep our minds off the pain.
My father no longer wants the stress of the rentals as last night we had to go and have two tenants arrested for attacking our female property manager and have decider over the course of the next three years to liquidate our assets when we can achive a solid $4 million dollar to live our dreams on.
Currently we HAD 500k towards my moms dream RV but put that into paying off all our martgages to set up for a sale when the housing market changes.
(many of you in California here know its down right now and homeloans are near non existant)
Currently after taxes our yearly yeild is between 2-300,000 dollars.
I AM NOT saying this to brag. Its NOT bragworthy as its ONLY money and I cannot use it to get the one thing I want wich is having my mom back.
My father and I in her memory have donated huge sums of money and are setting up a permanant Trust that will funnel cash for the dissabled dogs in our passing.
After this year when all debts, mortgages and all odds and ends are taken care of, we will sell one of our houses and take a years profits and begin building a supercar garage.
My plans are to have the help of you fine gentlemen to pick these six cars.
My plands thus far include...
One FFR GTM....built with help from alans autosport and twins turbo.
One RCR Superlite coupe.....instead of the Ultima GTR (my friends getting one)
a 2008 Camaro built by RAGE (need four seats)
and three other cars.
My requests are that the cars are
stylish
well built
can house exhorbitant amounts of power.....
And that the cars are above all LIGHT WEIGHT
Wanna help?
I need ALL your advice.
Whats THE BEST...I MEAN THE BEST parts and builders I can get.
Money is not the object it would have been last year.
I need to know the three cars YOU super gear heads would choose.
I need to know THEEEEE best parts EVER to put in them.
I need the LIGHTEST three piece wheels.
I need THE BEST OF THE BEST Transaxles.
I need the engines that can make ABSOLUTELY THEE most horsepower...relaibly on pump gas.
My goal is a six car garage filled with cars I can use to enter and win the various contests. Ultimate street car, silver state challenge, etc
I will then take all the BEST advice, Build the cars over the next two years WITH FULL DOCUMENTATION....and then bring said cars to the shows for all of you to see...(and those who can afford to buy broken parts possibly drive)
To show Im serious here is my email through wich you can get my phone number.
Ide be glad to spend time talking cars and bieng told where im an idoit and could choose better options.
I have a goal and need your help.
I want to build at least FOUR....
SUPER LIGHT WEIGHT,
Super high quality build level
Super cars....and I MEAN SUPER CARS....in every meaning of the word.
A minimum of 800 hp on pump gas.....SUPERCARS
My goal is near 1000hp per tonne, extreme light weight, and insane handling.
You guys can help me build THE BEST....so i dont have to build twice due to a wrong weak ass part.
I swear Im a good guy.
hurricane_tiger@hotmail.com
If it would help with me "cred" I'll donate a bunch or buy some super membership or whatever.
I know I cant build the best on my own. I just DONT know about all the great parts you guys do or the rarely alked about supercars you guys have hidden in your minds.
OH....no matter how much I have I DO NOT want to exceed 140k per car.
I'm NEVER buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini....when I can build a GTM, a GTR, AND an RCR superlite for the same price as ONE lp640....Im silly not stupid.
Superlite Coupe..like a GTR..only lighter..sexier..newer...better parts....better build quality....usable in more races...screw it...BETTER in every concievable way!.....and NO overseas shipping costs...SUPERLITE FOR TEH WIN!!!
Edited by Hurricane Tiger on Wednesday 2nd January 12:40
Hurricane Tiger said:
.....Wanna help?......I need ALL your advice.....
Yeah, buy a Maclaren F1 allowing more time for the Sausage Dog Rescue Centre. You also would have an appreciating asset - makes sence to me.A win-win as we like to call it over here.
Sorry to hear your news; sounds like she left you in good spirits though.
Good luck Tiger.
ETA Just seen your pic on your profile....my, what big arms you've got!
Edited by LuckyP on Monday 31st December 08:31
I have follow both cars for the last 5 years. I have been in the GTM at Carlisle Car show and at SEMA in Las Vegas. I have been to the Ultima factory and I am expecting my GTR kit in Feb. 2008.
I have voted with my pocket book.
I do like both cars. When I went to the Ultima factory and saw the quality of the product and was sitting in their silver demonstrator, my wife looked at me and and said "I quess you want this one?". In all things in life, the best cost more. The racers all know that for a 5% better part, we pay 100% more money. When you want something, maybe just a little bit better, sometime you just have to pay the price.
With my build starting very soon, I believe that I have chosen the right car for me.
I hope all of us that enjoy the feeling of making a car "our own" by building it ourselves will respect the that choice that we make for what is right for us and respect the choice of others, for what ever their reasons.
I will post when my crate arrives.
I have voted with my pocket book.
I do like both cars. When I went to the Ultima factory and saw the quality of the product and was sitting in their silver demonstrator, my wife looked at me and and said "I quess you want this one?". In all things in life, the best cost more. The racers all know that for a 5% better part, we pay 100% more money. When you want something, maybe just a little bit better, sometime you just have to pay the price.
With my build starting very soon, I believe that I have chosen the right car for me.
I hope all of us that enjoy the feeling of making a car "our own" by building it ourselves will respect the that choice that we make for what is right for us and respect the choice of others, for what ever their reasons.
I will post when my crate arrives.
LuckyP said:
Hurricane Tiger said:
.....Wanna help?......I need ALL your advice.....
Yeah, buy a Maclaren F1 allowing more time for the Sausage Dog Rescue Centre. You also would have an appreciating asset - makes sence to me.A win-win as we like to call it over here.
Sorry to hear your news; sounds like she left you in good spirits though.
Good luck Tiger.
ETA Just seen your pic on your profile....my, what big arms you've got!
Edited by LuckyP on Monday 31st December 08:31
She was and is everything to my family and I would be inconsolible if she hadnt warned me for years ahed of time that I would have to be strong for my dad and even take the reigns.
Im comforted knowing she had a verry loving life, Father and I were always good to her, she loved us and we loved her. Her daschie rescue made her happy and today we care for MANY disabled dashies. Everything from diapering and giving insulin to just extra attention and play time.
I'll be honest...Ive gained at least 5 maybe ten pounds in the last month and a halk stress eating....alot....
I know she was loved, we loved her, she loved her dogs and they loved her and they made eachother glow with happiness and today when we watched our movies as allways our pups were COVERING US...like seriously five to a lap....
And we're carrying on HER dreams first and living our lives as she would have us do.
My mother died peacefully in her sleep with a heartfull of love and dreams. Two of my friend moms are dying horribly and slowly of cancer....and my friend Kyles mom blew herself away.
My mothers life, love and even her death were and are better than anyone else's I know.
So yes.....considering the situation Im in decent spirits knowing hers was a happy life and...waitdid you mean she left in good spirits...cause yeah...she did leave happy..
Its really all any of us can ever really hope and my dad says its best this way because she was able to die happy and have a good son....instead of dying sad after a dead bad son...
I dunno the more I think about it the more it still hurts......
so Ill talk cars now!
Edited by Hurricane Tiger on Wednesday 2nd January 12:44
SUPERLITE FOR TEH WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
I TALKED TO FRAN!
GT40FRAN!
OWNER OF RCR?
Were Talking about building a ProRace level 1000 hp, Motec controlled, overbuilt superlite coupe!
Ive chosen THAT as my option. I have researched all three cars
I LOVE THEM ALL.
But to me the GTM is the sexiest and most comfortable...
so its going to be my daily driver!
And frankly after reading, studying the specs and looking at both cars and talking to the FRAN himself.
I have decided my track car will be a superlite COUPE!
Im going to leave it COMPLETELY in his hands to build me the BEST EVER.
I've already made it clear its to be a no expense spared racer as light and as powerfull as possible with only the finest parts and an attention paid to overbuilding in reliabillity no matter the cost.
I feel the Superlite coupe IS the NEW GTR!
Its lighter
Its better looking
AND BECAUSE it has a monocoque chasis instead of tubeframe its NASA racing series compliant in MANY more Races then the ultima.
Its also lighter can take veritibly ANY powertrain OR power amount Ive mentioned to him.
And the SUPER AMAZING and UBER EXCITING NEWS.....is the superlite allready over 100 pounds lighter than the ultima) MAY WELL shed a few hundred more in the verry near future, due to an exciting turn I dont know if I can say...
I dont wanna make Fran mad....I want him on my side when I ask if I can him for my buddhist wish....
"HEY FRAN.....MAKE ME ONE WITH EVERYTHING!"
lol misspelled Superlite last time...
I TALKED TO FRAN!
GT40FRAN!
OWNER OF RCR?
Were Talking about building a ProRace level 1000 hp, Motec controlled, overbuilt superlite coupe!
Ive chosen THAT as my option. I have researched all three cars
I LOVE THEM ALL.
But to me the GTM is the sexiest and most comfortable...
so its going to be my daily driver!
And frankly after reading, studying the specs and looking at both cars and talking to the FRAN himself.
I have decided my track car will be a superlite COUPE!
Im going to leave it COMPLETELY in his hands to build me the BEST EVER.
I've already made it clear its to be a no expense spared racer as light and as powerfull as possible with only the finest parts and an attention paid to overbuilding in reliabillity no matter the cost.
I feel the Superlite coupe IS the NEW GTR!
Its lighter
Its better looking
AND BECAUSE it has a monocoque chasis instead of tubeframe its NASA racing series compliant in MANY more Races then the ultima.
Its also lighter can take veritibly ANY powertrain OR power amount Ive mentioned to him.
And the SUPER AMAZING and UBER EXCITING NEWS.....is the superlite allready over 100 pounds lighter than the ultima) MAY WELL shed a few hundred more in the verry near future, due to an exciting turn I dont know if I can say...
I dont wanna make Fran mad....I want him on my side when I ask if I can him for my buddhist wish....
"HEY FRAN.....MAKE ME ONE WITH EVERYTHING!"
lol misspelled Superlite last time...
Superlite Coupe..like a GTR..only lighter..sexier..newer...better parts....better build quality....usable in more races...screw it...BETTER in every concievable way!.....and NO overseas shipping costs...SUPERLITE FOR TEH WIN!!!
Edited by Hurricane Tiger on Wednesday 2nd January 12:45
LuckyP said:
Hurricane Tiger said:
.....Wanna help?......I need ALL your advice.....
Yeah, buy a Maclaren F1 allowing more time for the Sausage Dog Rescue Centre. You also would have an appreciating asset - makes sence to me.A win-win as we like to call it over here.
Sorry to hear your news; sounds like she left you in good spirits though.
Good luck Tiger.
ETA Just seen your pic on your profile....my, what big arms you've got!
LuckyP knows Hurricane Tiger to be a GAWD :P
I WANT DESPERATLY to keep under "The Radar"
Buying super expensive cars makes THEM look at you ALOT closer then I want them to.
ALso....I can buy thirteen Ultima's/F5R GTM's/ or Superlite Coupes for that Kinda money....And honestly Ide rather have a Garage FULL of fully cutomised race cars and kits....then one fast car Im afraid to breath on...
OH....talked to my dad last week. Ide ALWAYS wanted a Honda CBR 1000RR superbike with a turbo. DREAMED about when Ide get one. I told dad I dont want one now that I can afford it....he just nodded and gave me that look...you know...'your an idiot and youd kill yourself...glad you wised up'
Lets face it...IM WAY to impulsive to keep from sending the front wheel skyward at 200....Ide seriously either die or wipe out in the first week.
look at me...so cute ...playing with the footnotes!....YOU ALL LOVE ME!
Superlite Coupe..like a GTR..only lighter..sexier..newer...better parts....better build quality....usable in more races...screw it...BETTER in every concievable way!.....and NO overseas shipping costs...SUPERLITE FOR TEH WIN!!!
Edited by Hurricane Tiger on Wednesday 2nd January 12:39
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