More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t
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Bullett said:
Gold plated fibre optics
Only £3.62 from Amazon - think bigger!https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-Mountain-Plated-TOS...
TonyRPH said:
PhilboSE said:
I read about half the article, and had to stop, because I fear my head would have exploded if I had finished it.
I presume these people take themselves seriously, and yet their assertions are so easily disproved by the fact that computers and networks, you know, work, that they must be utterly lacking in critical thinking.
One does have to question just how much they truly understand about computers / disks and networks.I presume these people take themselves seriously, and yet their assertions are so easily disproved by the fact that computers and networks, you know, work, that they must be utterly lacking in critical thinking.
Zoon said:
Do they not understand that whatever arrives at the network card will be identical whatever RAID setting has been chosen? 
Apparently they don't.In the ensuing Facebook debate, one person replied with the following:
fb said:
I am no expert in these things, far from it.
I just don't believe in the "it's just 1's and 0's" way of looking at things.
Music and it's complicated harmonic structures is a hard thing to replicate.
A lot of people think that wire is just wire and electricity is just electricity.
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.
I just don't believe in the "it's just 1's and 0's" way of looking at things.
Music and it's complicated harmonic structures is a hard thing to replicate.
A lot of people think that wire is just wire and electricity is just electricity.
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.
‘Carefully curated botanicals distilled with oxygen free water will ensure the best sound path from your ears to your cortex’
wisbech said:
I see a market for audiophile gin or whisky- they also make my system sound better...
‘Carefully curated botanicals distilled with oxygen free water will ensure the best sound path from your ears to your cortex’
I find my stereo sounds significantly better when I'm half-cut, so there might be something to this!‘Carefully curated botanicals distilled with oxygen free water will ensure the best sound path from your ears to your cortex’
What we should do is set-up a blind tasting session where you don't know whether it is Tennent's Super or Gin crafted by monks at the top of a mountain using nothing but the happy tears of school children. (Sad tears taste bitter.)
TonyRPH said:
PhilboSE said:
I read about half the article, and had to stop, because I fear my head would have exploded if I had finished it.
I presume these people take themselves seriously, and yet their assertions are so easily disproved by the fact that computers and networks, you know, work, that they must be utterly lacking in critical thinking.
One does have to question just how much they truly understand about computers / disks and networks.I presume these people take themselves seriously, and yet their assertions are so easily disproved by the fact that computers and networks, you know, work, that they must be utterly lacking in critical thinking.
Zoon said:
Do they not understand that whatever arrives at the network card will be identical whatever RAID setting has been chosen?
Apparently they don't.In the ensuing Facebook debate, one person replied with the following:
fb said:
I am no expert in these things, far from it.
I just don't believe in the "it's just 1's and 0's" way of looking at things.
[b]Music and it's complicated harmonic structures is a hard thing to replicate.
A lot of people think that wire is just wire and electricity is just electricity.
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.[/b]
I just don't believe in the "it's just 1's and 0's" way of looking at things.
[b]Music and it's complicated harmonic structures is a hard thing to replicate.
A lot of people think that wire is just wire and electricity is just electricity.
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.[/b]
Quote edited by me for clarity.
As for power purity - ironically, night time is when most people are likely to be consuming power (in a domestic environment) so that's more than likely when mains would be at it's noisiest.
However - I suspect that late night listening is enhanced by the drop in ambient sound levels rather than 'purer' electricity.
It is noticeably quieter at night (certainly around here) as verified by a dB meter.
fb said:
Music and it's complicated harmonic structures is a hard thing to replicate.
A lot of people think that wire is just wire and electricity is just electricity.
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.
A lot of people think that wire is just wire and electricity is just electricity.
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.
Crackie said:
I agree with the part in bold...….particularly the last sentence regarding the mains 'quality'.
@crackie - I presume you're just saying that you believe that "Music and it's complicated harmonic structures is a hard thing to replicate"?As for power purity - ironically, night time is when most people are likely to be consuming power (in a domestic environment) so that's more than likely when mains would be at it's noisiest.
However - I suspect that late night listening is enhanced by the drop in ambient sound levels rather than 'purer' electricity.
It is noticeably quieter at night (certainly around here) as verified by a dB meter.
TonyRPH said:
I cannot think of a single situation where a gold plated fibre optic cable would be beneficial.
I have a cheap optical from Amazon which is plated on the connectors. I actually think the plating improves the cable, only because I find the tiny little notches that click the end in place often wear so they don't stay in place as well.. probably just as easy to achieve withh better plasticTonyRPH said:
@crackie - I presume you're just saying that you believe that "Music and it's complicated harmonic structures is a hard thing to replicate"?
As for power purity - ironically, night time is when most people are likely to be consuming power (in a domestic environment) so that's more than likely when mains would be at it's noisiest.
However - I suspect that late night listening is enhanced by the drop in ambient sound levels rather than 'purer' electricity.
It is noticeably quieter at night (certainly around here) as verified by a dB meter.
I ran a Cinepro 3k6 SE for many years, it used to have really low level hum you could hear with your ears against the speakers, until it got to around 11pm at night, it slowly reduced in volume and by the time 1am arrived it was silent. As for power purity - ironically, night time is when most people are likely to be consuming power (in a domestic environment) so that's more than likely when mains would be at it's noisiest.
However - I suspect that late night listening is enhanced by the drop in ambient sound levels rather than 'purer' electricity.
It is noticeably quieter at night (certainly around here) as verified by a dB meter.
However...........as the hum went from the speakers the voltage also increased, from around 218v up to 235v and I then got some mechanical transformer hum.
But, it does show that mains makes a big difference.
gizlaroc said:
I ran a Cinepro 3k6 SE for many years, it used to have really low level hum you could hear with your ears against the speakers, until it got to around 11pm at night, it slowly reduced in volume and by the time 1am arrived it was silent.
However...........as the hum went from the speakers the voltage also increased, from around 218v up to 235v and I then got some mechanical transformer hum.
But, it does show that mains makes a big difference.
No, that's just poor power supply or amplifier design - or - that amp was optimised (or even configured?) for 240v operation, and 218v was simply too low for it..However...........as the hum went from the speakers the voltage also increased, from around 218v up to 235v and I then got some mechanical transformer hum.
But, it does show that mains makes a big difference.
I suspect that as the mains voltage dropped, the quiescent current of the amp went up, loading the power supply excessively and causing hum.
Mechanical transformer hum is caused by DC on the mains, or it could simply be poor quality transformers.
I guess it's not inconceivable that as your mains voltage went higher, that the DC level increased (or possibly just appeared it not there at the lower voltage).
Countdown said:
fb said:
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.
Nothing at all to do with relaxing at the end of the day, with a glass of something alcoholic and the kids being in bed 
ATG said:
Countdown said:
fb said:
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.
Nothing at all to do with relaxing at the end of the day, with a glass of something alcoholic and the kids being in bed Chimune said:
Crackie said:
I agree with the part in bold...….particularly the last sentence regarding the mains 'quality'.
Can you expand on your thoughts a bit please?The differences are not subtle and have been noticeable with every piece of equipment I've owned. Mains borne noise was bad when I lived in Huntingdon; daytime noise was industrial particularly bad. Domestic noise was pretty bad in the evenings too and noticeably improved as the evening progressed; in the early hours of the morning the background hash of white noise is almost inaudible.
You can measure your noise floor using freeware like this http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml
Companies such as Accuphase, PS Audio, Isotek, manufacture mains 'regenerators' to tackle the issue.
I started a thread on PH about the subject in 2009.... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
TonyRPH said:
Quote edited by me for clarity.
As for power purity - ironically, night time is when most people are likely to be consuming power (in a domestic environment) so that's more than likely when mains would be at it's noisiest.
However - I suspect that late night listening is enhanced by the drop in ambient sound levels rather than 'purer' electricity.
It is noticeably quieter at night (certainly around here) as verified by a dB meter.
Hi Tony, I should have clarified........when I said at night I meant in the early hours of the morning rather than 'late in the evening" used on the Fb link. fb said:
Music and it's complicated harmonic structures is a hard thing to replicate.
A lot of people think that wire is just wire and electricity is just electricity.
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.
A lot of people think that wire is just wire and electricity is just electricity.
Most of us have experienced our systems sounding better late at night when the national grid is less stressed.
Crackie said:
I agree with the part in bold...….particularly the last sentence regarding the mains 'quality'.
@crackie - I presume you're just saying that you believe that "Music and it's complicated harmonic structures is a hard thing to replicate"?As for power purity - ironically, night time is when most people are likely to be consuming power (in a domestic environment) so that's more than likely when mains would be at it's noisiest.
However - I suspect that late night listening is enhanced by the drop in ambient sound levels rather than 'purer' electricity.
It is noticeably quieter at night (certainly around here) as verified by a dB meter.
ATG said:
Mains makes a difference if and only if the DC supply circuits in one of your components has been designed by a chimpanzee. There's just no excuse.
In that case, every CD player or amp I've owned is included. It's a bold claim to label the engineering teams at Wadia, Exposure, Quad, Cambridge Audio, Cyrus, Audio Analogue, Rotel, Naim, Yamaha, Pioneer, Sony, Phillips and Technics as chimps.https://www.psaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03...
Crackie said:
ATG said:
Mains makes a difference if and only if the DC supply circuits in one of your components has been designed by a chimpanzee. There's just no excuse.
In that case, every CD player or amp I've owned is included. It's a bold claim to label the engineering teams at Wadia, Exposure, Quad, Cambridge Audio, Cyrus, Audio Analogue, Rotel, Naim, Yamaha, Pioneer, Sony, Phillips and Technics as chimps.https://www.psaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03...
Any well regulated, well smoothed (in particular well smoothed applies to amplifiers which typically don't use a regulated PSU) should be relatively impervious to anything but the most severe corruption of the mains waveform and voltage (within reasonable limits).
This applies even more so to devices using SMPS PSUs.
Even when I lived on a farm in a rural part of SA my TV (big old CRT TV) would only occasionally flicker because the mains wasn't always particularly stable, so what makes audio stuff so special that it's not immune?
I'll tell you what makes audio so special - the 'special' golden ears brigade, that's what!!!
As for that PS audio review - the clipped mains waveform shown in one of the graphs is likely caused by something on the local mains ring, and additionally will (should!) have no affect on a competently designed PSU. Curiously, the PS Audio is quoted as having 2.36% THD (2nd and 3rd harmonic) and that amount of THD would be visible on the waveform, but yet that depicted in the image is supposedly perfect.
In fact, that device is truly fitting of this topic.
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