More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t
Discussion
Sporky said:
Gary C said:
Still, thats a claimed tolerance of no more than 0.001mm
b
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They're not knocking these out on a Myford.b
ks.But apparently is possible
If the turntable wasn't bullsh*t then this definitely is...
A mere $325.00 per unit.
A mere $325.00 per unit.
website said:
The purpose of a cable insulator is to prevent cables from being influenced by vibrations from the speaker. Most conventional cable insulators (or stabilizers) are made from a single material. So even if the cable is lifted from the floor, they will generate their own resonance which will inevitably induce coloration.
We at <BLAH> have tested many materials, and as a result of these tests we decided to adopt a combination of top quality maple and ebony, which makes the sound natural and free from coloration. The cable contact surface is covered with special vibration control material for superb resonance control.
In addition, inside the insulator is a blend of natural ores which absorb electromagnetic waves and radiated noise from the cable. Because of its combination of resonance control and noise absorption abilities, the [ISOLATOR] will dramatically improve sound in a manner never before achieved. Noise is dramatically reduced and sound stage and imaging are more focused and three dimensional. The tone will become smoother as well.
We at <BLAH> have tested many materials, and as a result of these tests we decided to adopt a combination of top quality maple and ebony, which makes the sound natural and free from coloration. The cable contact surface is covered with special vibration control material for superb resonance control.
In addition, inside the insulator is a blend of natural ores which absorb electromagnetic waves and radiated noise from the cable. Because of its combination of resonance control and noise absorption abilities, the [ISOLATOR] will dramatically improve sound in a manner never before achieved. Noise is dramatically reduced and sound stage and imaging are more focused and three dimensional. The tone will become smoother as well.
Have a bonus "LAN protector"
"Thanks to its GIGA CANCELING technology the LAN PROTECTOR achieves a new quality of network transmission, which completely redefines the clarity, naturalness and dynamics of your audio- and videosignals ."
Jitter appears to be the latest buzzword with networks now.
I guess the snake oil purveyors have come to realise that jitter in DACs is no longer an issue (and hasn't been for years)...
https://www.schnerzinger.com/english/produkte/lan-...
"Thanks to its GIGA CANCELING technology the LAN PROTECTOR achieves a new quality of network transmission, which completely redefines the clarity, naturalness and dynamics of your audio- and videosignals ."
Jitter appears to be the latest buzzword with networks now.
I guess the snake oil purveyors have come to realise that jitter in DACs is no longer an issue (and hasn't been for years)...
https://www.schnerzinger.com/english/produkte/lan-...
dundarach said:
The thing with money is, someone always has more.
If I had millions and millions, I'd want that 360k turntable, it looks fantastic!
My turntable cost me 0.32% on my annual salary - so at £360,000 I'd need to earn around £11.5m.
(many people earn in excess of this and might want the same turntable as me - kind of)
The point of such high priced product with a supporting story, that would be customers fall for is to separate them from their money.If I had millions and millions, I'd want that 360k turntable, it looks fantastic!
My turntable cost me 0.32% on my annual salary - so at £360,000 I'd need to earn around £11.5m.
(many people earn in excess of this and might want the same turntable as me - kind of)
The high end customer falls into 2 camps.
1. The audiophile, who tends to collect over years often second hand. (Often from the second group)
2. The rich person who wants to show off wealth. For them, it is important that their friends know how expensive it was, so the brand is important, as well as size, materials, shineyness etc.
Many high end brands offer products that are underdeveloped, often with iffy performance and poor reliability. Many don't stay in business for long.
TonyRPH said:
Have a bonus "LAN protector"
"Thanks to its GIGA CANCELING technology the LAN PROTECTOR achieves a new quality of network transmission, which completely redefines the clarity, naturalness and dynamics of your audio- and videosignals ."
Jitter appears to be the latest buzzword with networks now.
I guess the snake oil purveyors have come to realise that jitter in DACs is no longer an issue (and hasn't been for years)...
https://www.schnerzinger.com/english/produkte/lan-...
Jitter of network an be huge and is immaterial, as data can be buffered in a FIFO and reclocked."Thanks to its GIGA CANCELING technology the LAN PROTECTOR achieves a new quality of network transmission, which completely redefines the clarity, naturalness and dynamics of your audio- and videosignals ."
Jitter appears to be the latest buzzword with networks now.
I guess the snake oil purveyors have come to realise that jitter in DACs is no longer an issue (and hasn't been for years)...
https://www.schnerzinger.com/english/produkte/lan-...
Jitter in the master clock used for synchronization VERY IMPORTANT.
The network stuff baffles me.
It was kind of predictable when the move to streaming came about but anyone working in IT will tell you that enterprise networks moving really important stuff all over the planet are often comprised of switches connected using whatever random ethernet or fibre or power cables are laying around when they're needed.
Unless there's a physical fault or quality issue it just works.
It was kind of predictable when the move to streaming came about but anyone working in IT will tell you that enterprise networks moving really important stuff all over the planet are often comprised of switches connected using whatever random ethernet or fibre or power cables are laying around when they're needed.
Unless there's a physical fault or quality issue it just works.
Assuming a vaguely competent networks team!
One of my day-job university customers has a single PTP domain spanning multiple campuses, one of which is about 20 miles from the main one.
They can't work out why we can't run Dante or AES67 on their network reliably, even though we've told them, pointed them at the standards documents, done drawings for them with coloured crayons, and put on a little play with soft toys.
They're also confused why their VOIP phones don't work very well, and can't see a connection between that and their refusal to implement QOS.
They got very grumpy when we put our own switches in, and went from several dropouts per system per day to none ever.
One of my day-job university customers has a single PTP domain spanning multiple campuses, one of which is about 20 miles from the main one.
They can't work out why we can't run Dante or AES67 on their network reliably, even though we've told them, pointed them at the standards documents, done drawings for them with coloured crayons, and put on a little play with soft toys.
They're also confused why their VOIP phones don't work very well, and can't see a connection between that and their refusal to implement QOS.
They got very grumpy when we put our own switches in, and went from several dropouts per system per day to none ever.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I suspect for 99% of home audio enthusiasts we're not even talking that though are we?
It's literally their home router into a streamer.
Bit weird when it's made it half way round the planet.
As someone who cured all kinds of dropouts by upgrading from BT’s basic home hub offering to an Asus router, I tend to agree. It's literally their home router into a streamer.
Bit weird when it's made it half way round the planet.
My main preoccupation is with a stable connection to my ISP rather than with the jitter or noise my elderly ears can’t hear in any case!
Sporky said:
StescoG66 said:
I must confess that I am in the trade and remain astounded at some of the pish people listen to.....
How often do you have to endure that excrescent "live" version of Hotel California? 
psi310398 said:
As someone who cured all kinds of dropouts by upgrading from BT’s basic home hub offering to an Asus router, I tend to agree.
My main preoccupation is with a stable connection to my ISP rather than with the jitter or noise my elderly ears can’t hear in any case!
Ditto.My main preoccupation is with a stable connection to my ISP rather than with the jitter or noise my elderly ears can’t hear in any case!
I probably pay £15/month more than I need to for a "premium" connection from IDNet.
Other than that I have a cheap enough TP Link router.
I use an Apple TV for most of my TV viewing and I stream a hell of a lot on a MacBook Air.
The Apple TV is wired to the router and the MacBook uses the normal wi-fi.
I've honestly never had an issue where I thought it was worth buying any sort of expensive switches or routers or ethernet cables thinking they'd get me a better picture or sound quality.
I did spend £15 on a new HDMI cable after buying a new OLED TV but that's about it.
AW111 said:
Of course, if you're a proper petrol head*, by the time you get to my age you've no high frequency hearing left anyway.
* too many years running loud cars on dynos.
As a typical long term biker with hearing damaged by helmet noise, tinnitus and all that, I think people with dodgy hearing often benefit more from good audio. Our ears and brain can't unscramble the sound as well as a younger person. I have a friend whose hearing is much worse than mine, she finds high quality headphones or a decent audio system make a huge difference to sound. It's instructive to listen to stuff on some medium/pricey headphones, things like TV dialogue often become a lot 'clearer'. * too many years running loud cars on dynos.
The science of what's going on in your ears and brain is a big and fascinating subject.
One thing that may be significant is that althoguh you can't hear those high frequencies, that energy can still intermodulate and mess up your perception of lower frequencies.
Don't turn down opportunities to try stuff, even audio bulls
t, unless maybe it's at Motorhead loudness.
Mitsubishi Diatone D160. Excellent choice. 
https://audio-database.com/MITSUBISHI-DIATONE/diat...
I like this bit.
"It seems that the unit with the unusual size of 160 cm had a lot of difficulty in the characteristic test.
At the Koriyama Test at the Koriyama Factory was carried out in the measurement room at first, but it was stopped because fluorescent lamps on the ceiling fell due to vibration. It seems that the characteristic test was carried out at the ground in the factory premises.
The outdoor test seemed to have a negative impact on the neighborhood. At a distance of about 100m from the speaker, it was felt as sound, but at a distance of more than that, it was transmitted as vibration and earth rumbling instead of audible sound. Within a radius of 2 km from the factory, there were damages such as vibrations like earthquakes and earth rumbling, and sound of walls and windows."
https://audio-database.com/MITSUBISHI-DIATONE/diat...
I like this bit.
"It seems that the unit with the unusual size of 160 cm had a lot of difficulty in the characteristic test.
At the Koriyama Test at the Koriyama Factory was carried out in the measurement room at first, but it was stopped because fluorescent lamps on the ceiling fell due to vibration. It seems that the characteristic test was carried out at the ground in the factory premises.
The outdoor test seemed to have a negative impact on the neighborhood. At a distance of about 100m from the speaker, it was felt as sound, but at a distance of more than that, it was transmitted as vibration and earth rumbling instead of audible sound. Within a radius of 2 km from the factory, there were damages such as vibrations like earthquakes and earth rumbling, and sound of walls and windows."
Edited by 808 Estate on Sunday 22 October 12:48
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