LG OLED 65" Price
Discussion
Yipper said:
The first 8K TV has just launched this week, so any 4K TV, OLED or LCD, is going to look pretty dated fairly soon.
Fairly soon? 4K itself is only really established in streaming, and even then it's generally curated stuff in the case of Netflix. Many 4K Blurays are still upscaled from a of 2K master, etc. You have to go looking for 4K stuff on these services, it's not the case that anything you might choose to watch is available.There's also a mismash of standards all still trying to be top dog, like Dolby Vision, HDR10, etc. That's before you even get into HDMI 2.2 and HDCP compatibility.
I'd say the 4K realm, at least in terms of standards, is still pretty changeable and 8K is some years away, personally.
Durzel said:
Fairly soon? 4K itself is only really established in streaming, and even then it's generally curated stuff in the case of Netflix. Many 4K Blurays are still upscaled from a of 2K master, etc. You have to go looking for 4K stuff on these services, it's not the case that anything you might choose to watch is available.
There's also a mismash of standards all still trying to be top dog, like Dolby Vision, HDR10, etc. That's before you even get into HDMI 2.2 and HDCP compatibility.
I'd say the 4K realm, at least in terms of standards, is still pretty changeable and 8K is some years away, personally.
Someone messaged me regarding the 8k tv too, I said the exact same thing, it's taken years to even get a bit of 4K content. There's also a mismash of standards all still trying to be top dog, like Dolby Vision, HDR10, etc. That's before you even get into HDMI 2.2 and HDCP compatibility.
I'd say the 4K realm, at least in terms of standards, is still pretty changeable and 8K is some years away, personally.
8k is quite a few years away to even be remotely worth upgrading for. 5 years +
w00tman said:
For my money, and that is literal as I was an early-adopted (LGEC930v) there is no comparison. Some very high-end LEDs are brighter, and it's arguable that their HDR implementation is perhaps better for that, but that's about it. Motion is handled very well, gaming response time is sub-30ms on HDR 4K modes, etc.
You and thousands of others including all the reviews by anyone that knows what they're talking about.Even Sony knows which technology is best - they're buying in LG screens to add a bit of software, add 40% to the price and wait for the Sony fan Bois to jump aboard.
Or, they/we're are all 'morons'.
It's like choosing a Corsa over a GT3 because high beam can blind you and it runs better when fed s
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kmpowell said:
I find it funny how everybody buys into the "It's an OLED so it must be good" wkathon. 
There are many factors that go into a panel, not just it's technology. At the moment a very high-end LCD can still outperform a low end OLED in many areas that are important e.g upscaling, motion and brightness.
Take LG OLED for example, put the low-end B7 and the high-end E7 next to each other and the difference is night & day, the picture on the E7 is significantly brighter and better.
As has been alluded to by one of the morons earlier in this thread, I recently chose a high-end 55" Sony LCD over a 55" LEG low-end OLED, purely based on its all round capabilities. The Sony trumps the LG for brightness, natural colours, motion, and most importantly upscaling. Sure blacks are better on the OLED, but for 99% of viewing it's hardly noticeable.
The only OLED I would personally consider is the Sony A1 or LG E7.
Thanks for that insight. I went into the store with an open mind to buy a new TV. I didn't give a shoite what make it was as I was interested in how it performed against a standard HD signal which is my main viewing platform. Screen size was a factor and budget less so. I came out with an OLED given that it compared better than all the others. kathon. There are many factors that go into a panel, not just it's technology. At the moment a very high-end LCD can still outperform a low end OLED in many areas that are important e.g upscaling, motion and brightness.
Take LG OLED for example, put the low-end B7 and the high-end E7 next to each other and the difference is night & day, the picture on the E7 is significantly brighter and better.
As has been alluded to by one of the morons earlier in this thread, I recently chose a high-end 55" Sony LCD over a 55" LEG low-end OLED, purely based on its all round capabilities. The Sony trumps the LG for brightness, natural colours, motion, and most importantly upscaling. Sure blacks are better on the OLED, but for 99% of viewing it's hardly noticeable.
The only OLED I would personally consider is the Sony A1 or LG E7.
Edited by kmpowell on Friday 1st September 18:07
What do you think of that chum?
Yipper said:
The first 8K TV has just launched this week, so any 4K TV, OLED or LCD, is going to look pretty dated fairly soon.
Wouldn't hold your breath outside certain countries.https://www.whathifi.com/news/sharp-to-release-wor...
However...... just been reading the tech specs. Interesting. Better start saving..... Nah, bandwidth to the home needs to step up a few gears. Not yet but how long I wonder.
https://www.ibc.org/delivery/celebrating-the-launc...
jmorgan said:
However...... just been reading the tech specs. Interesting. Better start saving..... Nah, bandwidth to the home needs to step up a few gears. Not yet but how long I wonder.
https://www.ibc.org/delivery/celebrating-the-launc...
Netflix recommends a minimum of only 3mbps for 4k with dolby atmos streaming, which suggests 8k should be ok at current levels?https://www.ibc.org/delivery/celebrating-the-launc...
w00tman said:
kmpowell said:
I find it funny how everybody buys into the "It's an OLED so it must be good" wkathon.
There are many factors that go into a panel, not just it's technology. At the moment a very high-end LCD can still outperform a low end OLED in many areas that are important e.g upscaling, motion and brightness.
Take LG OLED for example, put the low-end B7 and the high-end E7 next to each other and the difference is night & day, the picture on the E7 is significantly brighter and better.
As has been alluded to by one of the morons earlier in this thread, I recently chose a high-end 55" Sony LCD over a 55" LEG low-end OLED, purely based on its all round capabilities. The Sony trumps the LG for brightness, natural colours, motion, and most importantly upscaling. Sure blacks are better on the OLED, but for 99% of viewing it's hardly noticeable.
The only OLED I would personally consider is the Sony A1 or LG E7.
All of the 2017 LG OLED models use the same picture SOC and are thus entirely identical, outside of any minimal manufacturing differences. This fact somewhat calls into question the rest of your post..kathon. There are many factors that go into a panel, not just it's technology. At the moment a very high-end LCD can still outperform a low end OLED in many areas that are important e.g upscaling, motion and brightness.
Take LG OLED for example, put the low-end B7 and the high-end E7 next to each other and the difference is night & day, the picture on the E7 is significantly brighter and better.
As has been alluded to by one of the morons earlier in this thread, I recently chose a high-end 55" Sony LCD over a 55" LEG low-end OLED, purely based on its all round capabilities. The Sony trumps the LG for brightness, natural colours, motion, and most importantly upscaling. Sure blacks are better on the OLED, but for 99% of viewing it's hardly noticeable.
The only OLED I would personally consider is the Sony A1 or LG E7.
Edited by kmpowell on Friday 1st September 18:07
kmpowell- are you still with your return period? if so give it back and get the oled
hyphen said:
jmorgan said:
However...... just been reading the tech specs. Interesting. Better start saving..... Nah, bandwidth to the home needs to step up a few gears. Not yet but how long I wonder.
https://www.ibc.org/delivery/celebrating-the-launc...
Netflix recommends a minimum of only 3mbps for 4k with dolby atmos streaming, which suggests 8k should be ok at current levels?https://www.ibc.org/delivery/celebrating-the-launc...
1080i squished to a video bit rate of 3 mb/s would be bad let alone 4k. 1080i starts out at 1.45somthingranother gb/s. 8 k is 144 gb/s (?) 4k around 12gb/s?
Hope there is no moving content at 3
Trick will be in compression though until we get fibre to the house and a pipe to act it.
As above, they specifically say streaming to be set to High for Atmos, and minimum 3Mbps. Maybe it may need to buffer and so on, but they say it is usable.
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/64066
Edited by hyphen on Monday 11th September 15:06
Isn't that just for Atmos (it's not clear but I'd assume that's on top of the 25mb required for 4k).
Below are the internet download speed recommendations per stream for playing TV shows and movies through Netflix.
0.5 Megabits per second - Required broadband connection speed
1.5 Megabits per second - Recommended broadband connection speed
3.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for SD quality
5.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for HD quality
25 Megabits per second - Recommended for Ultra HD quality
Below are the internet download speed recommendations per stream for playing TV shows and movies through Netflix.
0.5 Megabits per second - Required broadband connection speed
1.5 Megabits per second - Recommended broadband connection speed
3.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for SD quality
5.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for HD quality
25 Megabits per second - Recommended for Ultra HD quality
hyphen said:
As above, they specifically say streaming to be set to High for Atmos, and minimum 3Mbps. Maybe it may need to buffer and so on, but they say it is usable.
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/64066
Edited by hyphen on Monday 11th September 15:06
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
I don't have atomos so never checked it. I suspect the higher is the better rate, as a preferred. Just checked mine on a HDR title, running at 15mb/s. Started low down with a black title screen.
However, either way, squashing 8k down at the moment is a squeeze.
Edit. Looking in that link I posted, they are pushing out 85mb/s at the moment on a broadcast signal (after the initial processing). I expect that may well come down but they need to shift that around the country, and get it from source to broadcaster.
Edited by jmorgan on Monday 11th September 15:52
Edited by jmorgan on Monday 11th September 15:53
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