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[DH2]

It's not a clear cut comparison though is it? Because with a modern panel you see all the horridble artefacts that come along with the broadcast, which would normally be 'hidden' by a CRT. Which is why a modern panel looks great with a HD signal, but less great (than a CRT) on an SD signal.

I've just gone from a Loewe Aconda CRT to a Panny plasma, and the Panny struggles to match it on broadcast SD, and SD DVD. I'm sure it will blow it into the water when I get round to some HD. The Panny has the advantage of actually working (had fairly epic tales of woe with the Loewe), however!

As for JL, they are pretty good IMO - bought the Panny from them actually, but on the basis that I knew what I wanted in advance.

DH2

[ukwill]

Trevelyan said:

I have an old 21" CRT I was given when I bought my house 2 years ago, with the old 4:3 ratio (not widescreen). Does it work? Yes. Is the picture ok? Yes. Do I plan to put a perfectly good TV in the skip just to replace it with a nice looking widescreen LCD or Plasma? Nope. When it goes bang it'll get replaced, until then I'll spend my money on something more important.

I take it you also drive a Trabant (or similar)? Clearly, it's only required to get you from A to B.

[allgonepetetong]

Mr E said:

HereBeMonsters said:

Despite the picture being better?

My plasma flattens the CRT it replaced in pretty much every area, regardless of signal source.

Are people comparing good CRTs with indifferent plasmas?

NO, people in this thread (up until your comment anyway as I have not yet read further) appear to be comparing good CRTs to LCDs which as we all know do not cope well with panning, for example, and fast motion and suffer various artifacts including blocking. Plasma as we know is superior technology to LCD.

I fail to understand how a CRT tv can even begin to compare to my Pioneer Plasma showing any scource material you care to throw at it, let alone a Blu Ray disc. There is simply no competition.

Now, if you only watch SD sources and are not concerned with picture quality or do not have the eyes to differentiate, then I can certainly understand not upgrading to the latest technology. But to say that CRT is as good a picture as Plasma is simply ludicrous.

Edited by allgonepetetong on Thursday 12th November 12:30

[ukwill]

allgonepetetong said:

Mr E said:

HereBeMonsters said:

Despite the picture being better?

My plasma flattens the CRT it replaced in pretty much every area, regardless of signal source.

Are people comparing good CRTs with indifferent plasmas?

NO, people in this thread (up until your comment anyway as I have not yet read further) appear to be comparing good CRTs to LCDs which as we all know do not cope well with panning, for example, and fast motion and suffer various artifacts including blocking. Plasma as we know is superior technology to LCD.

I fail to understand how a CRT tv can even begin to compare to my Pioneer Plasma showing any scource material you care to throw at it, let alone a Blu Ray disc. There is simply no competition.

Now, if you only watch SD sources and are not concerned with picture quality or do not have the eyes to differentiate, then I can certainly understand not upgrading to the latest technology. But to say that CRT is as good a picture as Plasma is simply ludicrous.

Edited by allgonepetetong on Thursday 12th November 12:30

..popcorn..

Edited by ukwill on Thursday 12th November 12:34

[paddyhasneeds]

I thought the plasma I looked at yesterday (I remember it was a Samsung 42" and was £499) looked very good even fed from the aerial.

Problem is with Plasmas they don't seem to do anything under 42" and sat 8" away from a 42" screen can't be a good thing.

[allgonepetetong]

paddyhasneeds said:

I thought the plasma I looked at yesterday (I remember it was a Samsung 42" and was £499) looked very good even fed from the aerial.

Problem is with Plasmas they don't seem to do anything under 42" and sat 8" away from a 42" screen can't be a good thing.

Why's that?

The maximum THX viewing distance for a 42" screen is actually only 6.8ft (26deg viewing angle)

[Mutley]

ukwill said:

Trevelyan said:

I have an old 21" CRT I was given when I bought my house 2 years ago, with the old 4:3 ratio (not widescreen). Does it work? Yes. Is the picture ok? Yes. Do I plan to put a perfectly good TV in the skip just to replace it with a nice looking widescreen LCD or Plasma? Nope. When it goes bang it'll get replaced, until then I'll spend my money on something more important.

I take it you also drive a Trabant (or similar)? Clearly, it's only required to get you from A to B.

From that i presume you have money to throw about on things you don't Actually need?
While having the latest gadget is fun, if it ain't broke, don't fix/replace it. A tv just shows an image on a screen, who needs it to be super clear/super sounding/ super colourful? I don't

I happen to be of the same mind as Trevelyan, why? because i don't spend my life glued to my tv/dvd/ps2.

[paddyhasneeds]

allgonepetetong said:

paddyhasneeds said:

I thought the plasma I looked at yesterday (I remember it was a Samsung 42" and was £499) looked very good even fed from the aerial.

Problem is with Plasmas they don't seem to do anything under 42" and sat 8" away from a 42" screen can't be a good thing.

Why's that?

The maximum THX viewing distance for a 42" screen is actually only 6.8ft (26deg viewing angle)

Really? I simply assumed that a 42" screen that looks big enough in a shop surrounded by other TVs (a 28" CRT looks diddy in a shop surrounded by similar) would be bloody massive in a 15x15' room?

[allgonepetetong]

paddyhasneeds said:

allgonepetetong said:

paddyhasneeds said:

I thought the plasma I looked at yesterday (I remember it was a Samsung 42" and was £499) looked very good even fed from the aerial.

Problem is with Plasmas they don't seem to do anything under 42" and sat 8" away from a 42" screen can't be a good thing.

Why's that?

The maximum THX viewing distance for a 42" screen is actually only 6.8ft (26deg viewing angle)

Really? I simply assumed that a 42" screen that looks big enough in a shop surrounded by other TVs (a 28" CRT looks diddy in a shop surrounded by similar) would be bloody massive in a 15x15' room?

Well it might look massive at first when hanging on the wall, but are you thinking of it as an object that hangs on the wall, or a tool to watch movies and TV broadcast?

Also, bear in mind that while it might look massive during the first week when compared to your old set, it won't once you are used to it.

Souce of calculations here:
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistance...

[Marf]

Had my CRT not gone Kaput last December I'd still be using it, I agree that they give better picture quality on an SD broadcast when compared to even the best flat screen TVs.

If my CRT hadn't gone kaput I would have likely kept it until everything went HD.

[allgonepetetong]

sigh:

[Pints]

While helping us move house a couple of years ago, my brother dropped our CRT smashing the casing. The picture is still fine but it doesn't work so well as a shelf anymore.
Our LCD is the main tv but I just can't bring myself to dump the ol' cathode ray.

[cs02rm0]

Low resolution video looks crap on larger screens shocker!

[paddyhasneeds]

allgonepetetong said:

paddyhasneeds said:

allgonepetetong said:

paddyhasneeds said:

I thought the plasma I looked at yesterday (I remember it was a Samsung 42" and was £499) looked very good even fed from the aerial.

Problem is with Plasmas they don't seem to do anything under 42" and sat 8" away from a 42" screen can't be a good thing.

Why's that?

The maximum THX viewing distance for a 42" screen is actually only 6.8ft (26deg viewing angle)

Really? I simply assumed that a 42" screen that looks big enough in a shop surrounded by other TVs (a 28" CRT looks diddy in a shop surrounded by similar) would be bloody massive in a 15x15' room?

Well it might look massive at first when hanging on the wall, but are you thinking of it as an object that hangs on the wall, or a tool to watch movies and TV broadcast?

Also, bear in mind that while it might look massive during the first week when compared to your old set, it won't once you are used to it.

Souce of calculations here:
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistance...

Actually it'd be in a corner as the room layout doesn't suit wall mounting - and of course in a corner it'd likely take up more space than a smaller CRT as it sits across the diagonal with a big empty void behind it.

Be interested (I'll search as I'm sure it's covered) in some info on plasma vs. LCD given I don't have any HD kit, do have Sky Plus but not Sky HD (obviously).

[ukwill]

Mutley said:

ukwill said:

Trevelyan said:

I have an old 21" CRT I was given when I bought my house 2 years ago, with the old 4:3 ratio (not widescreen). Does it work? Yes. Is the picture ok? Yes. Do I plan to put a perfectly good TV in the skip just to replace it with a nice looking widescreen LCD or Plasma? Nope. When it goes bang it'll get replaced, until then I'll spend my money on something more important.

I take it you also drive a Trabant (or similar)? Clearly, it's only required to get you from A to B.

From that i presume you have money to throw about on things you don't Actually need?
While having the latest gadget is fun, if it ain't broke, don't fix/replace it. A tv just shows an image on a screen, who needs it to be super clear/super sounding/ super colourful? I don't

I happen to be of the same mind as Trevelyan, why? because i don't spend my life glued to my tv/dvd/ps2.

No. I just found it somewhat ironic considering that this is a site devoted to petrol heads. A large percentage of whom drive nice cars, when clearly they theoretically get a trabant/lada to do the same job.

After all, how many people change their car only when it's knackered? On here, a very small percentage I would imagine.

[Marf]

Balmoral Green said:

So what's the crack then? Are folks merely following fashion rather than focusing on the technical aspects?

Pretty much.

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

Can you buy 1080p CRT TVs now?

[Balmoral Green]

Plotloss said:

Balmoral Green said:

An HD CRT is still the best picture quality though, but they are a very rare thing.

So rare in fact I'm fairly sure they've never been released in the UK.

There was a grey import Samsung (I think) but no official release, as far as I am aware.

So, is an HD CRT any good/better than what is fashionable? Or is it a case of what is fashionable more important, even if an HD CRT is good/better?

[Balmoral Green]

Marf said:

Balmoral Green said:

So what's the crack then? Are folks merely following fashion rather than focusing on the technical aspects?

Pretty much.

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

Can you buy 1080p CRT TVs now?

You were quick, I deleted that post as it was a bit long winded and realised that the quotes weren't even about HD CRT TV anyway. Sorry for that.

[Marf]

No worries, I remember reading some reviews on 720p HD CRTs a while ago, as I recall the verdict was in comparison to LCD and Plasma equivalents the quality wasnt as good and they were more expensive.

Would still be interested to know if the technology has progress or if it was dropped in order to concentrate on flat panel stuff.

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fleetelise said:

My 32" LCD gives a better picture on "normal" TV than my old 28" CRT.

This is using Virgin V+ as the source for the pictures.

I suggest you take out £19 and visit specsavers, that should fix your eye problem

Although I love my Kuro dearly and it produces the best picture I have seen from a flat panel for SD, a well setup late widescreen CRT still shows the Kuro who is boss.

Would like to see how OLED sets pan out (if they ever do), as the 11 inch Sony looked bloody sensational (although it is only small).