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Crossflow Kid said:
Purity14 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?
Yes, of course!As I said it was a simple example of what is possible without needing each accomplice to be in possession of an enigma machine, or to be a member of mensa
You don't want to send blatantly obvious encrypted messages, because they would know that they were encrypted, and attempt to hollywood crack it!
Y'all could say that an odd number of punctuation within any message is a false message, and match the message to suit.
Christ alive, the Keystone Cops could catch you.
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Purity14 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?
Yes, of course!As I said it was a simple example of what is possible without needing each accomplice to be in possession of an enigma machine, or to be a member of mensa
You don't want to send blatantly obvious encrypted messages, because they would know that they were encrypted, and attempt to hollywood crack it!
Y'all could say that an odd number of punctuation within any message is a false message, and match the message to suit.
Christ alive, the Keystone Cops could catch you.
You only need one of each to spot that one message has capitals or punctuation and the other doesn't.
It'd stand out a mile. After that it'd be a coffee-break conundrum for any decent cryptographer.
Bit of a lame first episode I thought, surely everyone knows not to use their own phones nowadays and would buy a cheap burner phone? Why would the dad of one of the girls still have notes in his pocket about their plans? The two army blokes dye their hair blonde so they stand out even more in a crowd.
It is an interesting idea but without access to real ANPR, cctv etc (which wouldn't happen) then it just seems incredibly contrived and unrealistic.
It is an interesting idea but without access to real ANPR, cctv etc (which wouldn't happen) then it just seems incredibly contrived and unrealistic.
p4cks said:
The army blokes with years of military experience being the first to get caught - in an all you can eat buffet in Blackpool. Brilliant.
There was more than a wiff of 'set up' about that for my liking. I hope I'm wrong but I do suspect C4 realised they had a good bit of TV on their hands and to ensure good ratings they've put in a few stooges to create TV that the masses will watch. p4cks said:
The army blokes with years of military experience being the first to get caught - in an all you can eat buffet in Blackpool. Brilliant.
The whole scene was BS. The "hunters" questioning the staff on where they went. As if the staff had any obligation to answer. This setup if it had been real had the possibility to get out of hand which C4 wouldn't dare risk. The soldiers spotting the hunters as being "townies". There was absolutely nothing in their dress to make them stand out. The manager helping them escape out the back. Why? First thing he would be doing in real life would be making sure they had paid their bills. Crossflow Kid said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Purity14 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?
Yes, of course!As I said it was a simple example of what is possible without needing each accomplice to be in possession of an enigma machine, or to be a member of mensa
You don't want to send blatantly obvious encrypted messages, because they would know that they were encrypted, and attempt to hollywood crack it!
Y'all could say that an odd number of punctuation within any message is a false message, and match the message to suit.
Christ alive, the Keystone Cops could catch you.
You only need one of each to spot that one message has capitals or punctuation and the other doesn't.
It'd stand out a mile. After that it'd be a coffee-break conundrum for any decent cryptographer.
They have to contact their family and stay on the move.
It says on the website the following.
Going on the run and staying underground is a tough thing to do in a nation where the average person is caught on CCTV up to 70 times a day. To stand a chance of winning a share of the prize money the fugitives had to evade detection and capture for up to 28 days and follow a few simple rules of the game. They must not break the law. During active hours of hunting they must keep on the move and change location regularly – no hiding in the sewer for the entire time. Like many of the most successful real life fugitives, they must attempt to throw the hunters off their scent – and do their best to decoy them. And again like real life fugitives, they need to make use of a support network and they must make contact with family and friends.
Before going on the run the fugitives agreed to open up their lives to the intense scrutiny of the hunters, giving their full permission to be tracked as the state might track a wanted person. Internet searches, emails, cash cards and phones were monitored, homes searched, electronic devices taken into HQ to be examined and friends and family questioned. However, not every method required the fugitives’ permission. Today investigators can legally use the huge amount of information openly available on the internet and across social media (open source material) to profile fugitives and attempt to work out their plans to evade capture.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/hunted/articles...
It says on the website the following.
Going on the run and staying underground is a tough thing to do in a nation where the average person is caught on CCTV up to 70 times a day. To stand a chance of winning a share of the prize money the fugitives had to evade detection and capture for up to 28 days and follow a few simple rules of the game. They must not break the law. During active hours of hunting they must keep on the move and change location regularly – no hiding in the sewer for the entire time. Like many of the most successful real life fugitives, they must attempt to throw the hunters off their scent – and do their best to decoy them. And again like real life fugitives, they need to make use of a support network and they must make contact with family and friends.
Before going on the run the fugitives agreed to open up their lives to the intense scrutiny of the hunters, giving their full permission to be tracked as the state might track a wanted person. Internet searches, emails, cash cards and phones were monitored, homes searched, electronic devices taken into HQ to be examined and friends and family questioned. However, not every method required the fugitives’ permission. Today investigators can legally use the huge amount of information openly available on the internet and across social media (open source material) to profile fugitives and attempt to work out their plans to evade capture.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/hunted/articles...
I caught about twenty minutes of the second episode and within a minute (I switched on just as some "Hunters" were taking stuff from one of the "Runners" houses) I realised it was just as staged as the first series.
I could just about accept the first series showcasing what happens when people go on the run, the mistakes they make and how they can be caught, but with the adverts for the second series asking "How far will they go for £100,000?" suggests that its a game show where the idea is to stay on the run for thirty days and win the money. So if this really was the case, the families of the "Runners" would not let people into their homes to take laptops, conveniently displayed notepads etc, nor would that moronic ex-military bloke don a ghillie suit and meet up with his son and wife for the kid's birthday. It's all staged nonsense, and I just can't look past the fact that the game is rigged.
I could just about accept the first series showcasing what happens when people go on the run, the mistakes they make and how they can be caught, but with the adverts for the second series asking "How far will they go for £100,000?" suggests that its a game show where the idea is to stay on the run for thirty days and win the money. So if this really was the case, the families of the "Runners" would not let people into their homes to take laptops, conveniently displayed notepads etc, nor would that moronic ex-military bloke don a ghillie suit and meet up with his son and wife for the kid's birthday. It's all staged nonsense, and I just can't look past the fact that the game is rigged.
myvision said:
They have to contact their family and stay on the move.
It says on the website the following.
Going on the run and staying underground is a tough thing to do in a nation where the average person is caught on CCTV up to 70 times a day. To stand a chance of winning a share of the prize money the fugitives had to evade detection and capture for up to 28 days and follow a few simple rules of the game. They must not break the law. During active hours of hunting they must keep on the move and change location regularly – no hiding in the sewer for the entire time. Like many of the most successful real life fugitives, they must attempt to throw the hunters off their scent – and do their best to decoy them. And again like real life fugitives, they need to make use of a support network and they must make contact with family and friends.
Before going on the run the fugitives agreed to open up their lives to the intense scrutiny of the hunters, giving their full permission to be tracked as the state might track a wanted person. Internet searches, emails, cash cards and phones were monitored, homes searched, electronic devices taken into HQ to be examined and friends and family questioned. However, not every method required the fugitives’ permission. Today investigators can legally use the huge amount of information openly available on the internet and across social media (open source material) to profile fugitives and attempt to work out their plans to evade capture.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/hunted/articles...
Yep - Further to my post above, clearly all staged. Might be entertaining for some, but to have rules like that means it's nothing more than a scripted drama.It says on the website the following.
Going on the run and staying underground is a tough thing to do in a nation where the average person is caught on CCTV up to 70 times a day. To stand a chance of winning a share of the prize money the fugitives had to evade detection and capture for up to 28 days and follow a few simple rules of the game. They must not break the law. During active hours of hunting they must keep on the move and change location regularly – no hiding in the sewer for the entire time. Like many of the most successful real life fugitives, they must attempt to throw the hunters off their scent – and do their best to decoy them. And again like real life fugitives, they need to make use of a support network and they must make contact with family and friends.
Before going on the run the fugitives agreed to open up their lives to the intense scrutiny of the hunters, giving their full permission to be tracked as the state might track a wanted person. Internet searches, emails, cash cards and phones were monitored, homes searched, electronic devices taken into HQ to be examined and friends and family questioned. However, not every method required the fugitives’ permission. Today investigators can legally use the huge amount of information openly available on the internet and across social media (open source material) to profile fugitives and attempt to work out their plans to evade capture.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/hunted/articles...
dieselgrunt said:
The whole scene was BS. The "hunters" questioning the staff on where they went. As if the staff had any obligation to answer. This setup if it had been real had the possibility to get out of hand which C4 wouldn't dare risk. The soldiers spotting the hunters as being "townies". There was absolutely nothing in their dress to make them stand out. The manager helping them escape out the back. Why? First thing he would be doing in real life would be making sure they had paid their bills.
This had a whiff of Made In Chelsea about it, and was acted in a similarly convincing fashion.If we sat down and thought about this and worked as a team we could easily win the £100k
One powerfully built goatee sporting PH'er signs to be hunted for 28 days turning over their laptop etc to the hunters.
BUT
Between us we have two teams...
One that hides the hunted, we totally sanitise him/her. No phones or electronic devices to catch them, they sleep in other PH'ers spare rooms or sofa's for one night only before being moved on to a different PH'er the following night. They don't visit the ATM for cash as they won't need it, they will have other PH'ers feeding them, they can leave a cache of clothes at places along the route to change their appearance along with shaving the goatee.
Think WWII French resistance moving downed Allied airmen and you've got the idea.
The second team have provided the laptop, ipad, phone etc that will be 'found' and they'll be full of spurious information, false browsing history for the wrong destinations etc
The hunters would be chasing a false trail through smoke and mirrors across the country for 28 days whilst the volunteer is totally off grid.
I've no doubt the production company has some small print somewhere to prevent this but I think that with a little planning we could do it.
One powerfully built goatee sporting PH'er signs to be hunted for 28 days turning over their laptop etc to the hunters.
BUT
Between us we have two teams...
One that hides the hunted, we totally sanitise him/her. No phones or electronic devices to catch them, they sleep in other PH'ers spare rooms or sofa's for one night only before being moved on to a different PH'er the following night. They don't visit the ATM for cash as they won't need it, they will have other PH'ers feeding them, they can leave a cache of clothes at places along the route to change their appearance along with shaving the goatee.
Think WWII French resistance moving downed Allied airmen and you've got the idea.
The second team have provided the laptop, ipad, phone etc that will be 'found' and they'll be full of spurious information, false browsing history for the wrong destinations etc
The hunters would be chasing a false trail through smoke and mirrors across the country for 28 days whilst the volunteer is totally off grid.
I've no doubt the production company has some small print somewhere to prevent this but I think that with a little planning we could do it.
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Purity14 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?
Yes, of course!As I said it was a simple example of what is possible without needing each accomplice to be in possession of an enigma machine, or to be a member of mensa
You don't want to send blatantly obvious encrypted messages, because they would know that they were encrypted, and attempt to hollywood crack it!
Y'all could say that an odd number of punctuation within any message is a false message, and match the message to suit.
Christ alive, the Keystone Cops could catch you.
You only need one of each to spot that one message has capitals or punctuation and the other doesn't.
It'd stand out a mile. After that it'd be a coffee-break conundrum for any decent cryptographer.
Wow. Useful that.
Crossflow Kid said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Purity14 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?
Yes, of course!As I said it was a simple example of what is possible without needing each accomplice to be in possession of an enigma machine, or to be a member of mensa
You don't want to send blatantly obvious encrypted messages, because they would know that they were encrypted, and attempt to hollywood crack it!
Y'all could say that an odd number of punctuation within any message is a false message, and match the message to suit.
Christ alive, the Keystone Cops could catch you.
You only need one of each to spot that one message has capitals or punctuation and the other doesn't.
It'd stand out a mile. After that it'd be a coffee-break conundrum for any decent cryptographer.
Wow. Useful that.
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
WinstonWolf said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Purity14 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
D'you not think the absence of capitalisation from some messages and inclusion in others might stand out a bit?
Yes, of course!As I said it was a simple example of what is possible without needing each accomplice to be in possession of an enigma machine, or to be a member of mensa
You don't want to send blatantly obvious encrypted messages, because they would know that they were encrypted, and attempt to hollywood crack it!
Y'all could say that an odd number of punctuation within any message is a false message, and match the message to suit.
Christ alive, the Keystone Cops could catch you.
You only need one of each to spot that one message has capitals or punctuation and the other doesn't.
It'd stand out a mile. After that it'd be a coffee-break conundrum for any decent cryptographer.
Wow. Useful that.
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