BBC Top Gear Thread 2021/2022
Discussion
HustleRussell said:
You both need to hand your PH badges back. You should see the state of antiquity on some of the machines frequently raced in vintage and historic motor racing. Everybody doing that is prepared to underwrite the risk to their own life and limb against their level of skill only. Nobody to pay out, nobody to sue.
If there’s any TV presenter who can make a car do outrageous looking stuff for a camera it has always been Tiff and it seems like he also had the skill to save his own neck. Whether he’d do it again in a Morgan three-wheeler is another matter. But then he is also a participator in historic motorsport so maybe he is that mad.
Flintoff’s balls outweighed his talent. If the BBC has any blame in this it is their failure to recognise that, as it was obvious even to the viewer. Nothing at all here for Morgan to answer.
I would choise something nice and safe, like a darraq 200hp perhaps, every timeIf there’s any TV presenter who can make a car do outrageous looking stuff for a camera it has always been Tiff and it seems like he also had the skill to save his own neck. Whether he’d do it again in a Morgan three-wheeler is another matter. But then he is also a participator in historic motorsport so maybe he is that mad.
Flintoff’s balls outweighed his talent. If the BBC has any blame in this it is their failure to recognise that, as it was obvious even to the viewer. Nothing at all here for Morgan to answer.
Edited by HustleRussell on Saturday 25th March 14:39
When morgans meet grass:
https://youtu.be/LWWd0NctbZo
"According to Parrot Analytics – which measures the global demand, rather than the local ratings, using a mix of data sources to come up with figures you can compare country to country – demand for Top Gear is over 15 times higher than for the average TV series in the US, over 10 times the demand in Germany, and over five time higher in India. In the UK, demand is even higher, at over 23 times the demand for the average TV series. UK demand for The Grand Tour, by comparison, is just over 11 times the average."
"And these Parrot figures are for the UK-produced version of the show. There’s also locally made Top Gear in South Korea, China, France and Hong Kong"
http://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1288/r...
The summary is, one way or another, Top Gear is not going to disappear. It might not be on BBC1, but the brand will not die.
"And these Parrot figures are for the UK-produced version of the show. There’s also locally made Top Gear in South Korea, China, France and Hong Kong"
http://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1288/r...
The summary is, one way or another, Top Gear is not going to disappear. It might not be on BBC1, but the brand will not die.
"Some say that he's cogent and that he knows that the Morgan 3 has NO airbags".
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/the-stig-says-...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/the-stig-says-...
FiF said:
The devil will be in the detail as always, and we have none of it here.
Two possible extremes,
a) vehicle available, driver says I've always fancied a go in one of those, takes it out for a spin, bins it.
b) vehicle being driven on camera for a shot, driver is given instructions to try and achieve something the director desires for the best footage, ends up binning it.
Very very different sets of circumstances and one would argue mutual liabilities.
YesTwo possible extremes,
a) vehicle available, driver says I've always fancied a go in one of those, takes it out for a spin, bins it.
b) vehicle being driven on camera for a shot, driver is given instructions to try and achieve something the director desires for the best footage, ends up binning it.
Very very different sets of circumstances and one would argue mutual liabilities.
In the second scenario his ability as a driver should be assessed before being sent out to do what he is instructed to do. Can't understand all the posts putting all the responsibility on FF. As far as we can be aware he has turned up to work and was doing as instructed.
JagLover said:
FiF said:
The devil will be in the detail as always, and we have none of it here.
Two possible extremes,
a) vehicle available, driver says I've always fancied a go in one of those, takes it out for a spin, bins it.
b) vehicle being driven on camera for a shot, driver is given instructions to try and achieve something the director desires for the best footage, ends up binning it.
Very very different sets of circumstances and one would argue mutual liabilities.
YesTwo possible extremes,
a) vehicle available, driver says I've always fancied a go in one of those, takes it out for a spin, bins it.
b) vehicle being driven on camera for a shot, driver is given instructions to try and achieve something the director desires for the best footage, ends up binning it.
Very very different sets of circumstances and one would argue mutual liabilities.
In the second scenario his ability as a driver should be assessed before being sent out to do what he is instructed to do. Can't understand all the posts putting all the responsibility on FF. As far as we can be aware he has turned up to work and was doing as instructed.
Blackpuddin said:
Common Porpoise said:
I came here to say that after watching Tiff's close shave on fifth gear a few years back I don't think Morgans have any business being on a track whatsoever. They aren't proper cars and should not be driven hard under any circumstances, if things go wrong you are in deep trouble.
100 percent this. Flintoff isn't a proper automotive presenter so he shouldn't be presenting an automotive TV show, his only singular talent was hitting a cricket ball.
McGuinnes isn't a proper automotive presenter so he shouldn't be presenting an automotive TV show, his only singular talent is living and breathing.
Harris was a proper automotive presenter, until he joined Top Gear where his head grew so large he had trouble getting into a car let alone a helmet.
I don't watch Top Gear anymore, have not for years since the Beeb tried to turn it into a comedy show presented by "comedians" re-doing old content.
Randy Winkman said:
JagLover said:
FiF said:
The devil will be in the detail as always, and we have none of it here.
Two possible extremes,
a) vehicle available, driver says I've always fancied a go in one of those, takes it out for a spin, bins it.
b) vehicle being driven on camera for a shot, driver is given instructions to try and achieve something the director desires for the best footage, ends up binning it.
Very very different sets of circumstances and one would argue mutual liabilities.
YesTwo possible extremes,
a) vehicle available, driver says I've always fancied a go in one of those, takes it out for a spin, bins it.
b) vehicle being driven on camera for a shot, driver is given instructions to try and achieve something the director desires for the best footage, ends up binning it.
Very very different sets of circumstances and one would argue mutual liabilities.
In the second scenario his ability as a driver should be assessed before being sent out to do what he is instructed to do. Can't understand all the posts putting all the responsibility on FF. As far as we can be aware he has turned up to work and was doing as instructed.
Hagerty said:
Flintoff was driving a three-wheeled Morgan Super 3, at the Dunsfold test track, and is said to have had a crew member aboard the car at the time. A crew member who did not wish to be named has told Hagerty that it was a “low-speed, freak accident. We weren’t even filming at the time.”
The only detail that has been reported so far is that in cold weather conditions, the Morgan Super 3 flipped over, but the BBC has not shared further details, raising the question of whether it flipped on the track or left the road and rolled in the surrounding grassland, and why it rolled. A health and safety review is taking place, says the BBC.
whilst in the Sun (yes, I know) it was said:The only detail that has been reported so far is that in cold weather conditions, the Morgan Super 3 flipped over, but the BBC has not shared further details, raising the question of whether it flipped on the track or left the road and rolled in the surrounding grassland, and why it rolled. A health and safety review is taking place, says the BBC.
Sun said:
"It was a freak accident and somehow the car flipped over and the two men were dragged along.
“Freddie and the crew member were both wearing helmets, but it was still a severe accident.
“Everyone on the scene was shocked by how serious it was and they were very worried about the two men strapped in."
Added to that that he suffered broken ribs, facial injuries, was airlifted to hospital, and hasn't been seen since (3 months ago), this does ultimately sound rather nasty.“Freddie and the crew member were both wearing helmets, but it was still a severe accident.
“Everyone on the scene was shocked by how serious it was and they were very worried about the two men strapped in."
614-HSO said:
Blackpuddin said:
Common Porpoise said:
I came here to say that after watching Tiff's close shave on fifth gear a few years back I don't think Morgans have any business being on a track whatsoever. They aren't proper cars and should not be driven hard under any circumstances, if things go wrong you are in deep trouble.
100 percent this. Flintoff isn't a proper automotive presenter so he shouldn't be presenting an automotive TV show, his only singular talent was hitting a cricket ball.
McGuinnes isn't a proper automotive presenter so he shouldn't be presenting an automotive TV show, his only singular talent is living and breathing.
Harris was a proper automotive presenter, until he joined Top Gear where his head grew so large he had trouble getting into a car let alone a helmet.
I don't watch Top Gear anymore, have not for years since the Beeb tried to turn it into a comedy show presented by "comedians" re-doing old content.
Dingu said:
RDMcG said:
Red 5 said:
I think the bigger issue, is that TG has become an embarrassment to the BBC, who I think have been desperately looking for an excuse to cancel it for years now.
I agree completely.. in these very woke days there are those who think that driving for fun is not on, burning petrol,. taking risks when there are endless new regulations that are at odds with the whole carefree world I grew up in.In the case of BBC they will replace it with something like Urban Cyclist or City Gardening or the like.
FWIW I lost interest in Top Gear years ago, but it still would be a shame to lose another motoring programme from mainstream television.
Edited by RECr on Monday 27th March 13:25
The debate is pointless until we know the facts of the accident.
I for one have enjoyed all but the Chris Evans versions of Top Gear and will be sad to see it go (if it does)
If there is some sort of enquiry into the accident will the results be made public? Is transparency part of the BBC charter?
I for one have enjoyed all but the Chris Evans versions of Top Gear and will be sad to see it go (if it does)
If there is some sort of enquiry into the accident will the results be made public? Is transparency part of the BBC charter?
"It was a freak accident and somehow the car flipped over and the two men were dragged along.
“Freddie and the crew member were both wearing helmets, but it was still a severe accident.
“Everyone on the scene was shocked by how serious it was and they were very worried about the two men strapped in."
I would expect a risk assessment to pick up on the fact that the usual open-face helmets (used so we can see the presenter's expressions) were inappropriate in a car like the Morgan - I wear an open face helmet in closed cars because I also wear glasses which steam up when there's no airflow around the head, but in an open car I always wear my closed face one.
I wonder if the talk of facial injuries followed by the hasty apology from the BBC means that this wasn't picked up.
“Freddie and the crew member were both wearing helmets, but it was still a severe accident.
“Everyone on the scene was shocked by how serious it was and they were very worried about the two men strapped in."
I would expect a risk assessment to pick up on the fact that the usual open-face helmets (used so we can see the presenter's expressions) were inappropriate in a car like the Morgan - I wear an open face helmet in closed cars because I also wear glasses which steam up when there's no airflow around the head, but in an open car I always wear my closed face one.
I wonder if the talk of facial injuries followed by the hasty apology from the BBC means that this wasn't picked up.
wpa1975 said:
Plain and simple, they will not cancel the show it is too big a cash cow for the BBC
Yeah, think there's more chance of it being reinvented than being cancelled altogether. Maybe tone down the over the top stunts and get it back to being about cars or adventures in cars. There seemed to be very little actual substance in a lot of the recent stuff. The thing is, the CHM stuff developed organically. Yes they eventually went on too long and too far, but what they had did at least develop naturally. Anyone else coming in, particularly doing the 'three bickering blokes' format, is copying what came before- it is being forced to be what CHM were as a baseline, and THEN we hope there is chemistry atop that. Harris and the Northerners achieved a kind of chemistry, but a lot was still really forced.
Time to rethink, BBC?
Time to rethink, BBC?
carlo996 said:
thegreenhell said:
They need to send it back to BBC2 and stop trying to make it a mainstream entertainment show fronted by people who know f
k all about cars.
Yes. Cutting the viewing figures is definitely a sound plan. k all about cars.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff