Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix
Discussion
Rumblestripe said:
Plainly enough people watched the first series for them to commission a second.
To be expected. It was a new Star Trek series. Just like Star Wars, The Last Jedi made money; it was Solo that felt the true backlash from fans. Dr Who S11 still had good ratings relative to earlier series, but I wouldn't bank on S12 doing the same.Secondly, most of the production budget was funded by Netflix who were keen to get their hands on a big name IP in their battle with Amazon Prime, etc. I get the impression that they'd agreed to multiple seasons before the first had even started production. Failure of the first series wasn't going to stop a second being produced, but with the budgetary problems that the second series has faced thanks to 5 weeks of reshoots CBS is now on the hook for a lot more $$$ that isn't being covered by Netflix. If the new series fails to hit the spot I wouldn't bank on CBS taking a risk on a third.
Let's not forget that CBS tried to sell four 15 minute STD shorts to Netflix for $35m to help cover the production shortfall. Netflix laughed in their face. CBS kept lowering the price but in the end couldn't persuade anyone to take them for free. CBS can't give STD away and series 2 needed weeks of reshoots after test audiences gave S02 an approval rating of 15%. That's how bad things are with STD.
Then there's the lawsuit against CBS and Netflix over the plagiarism in STD S01 that is still ongoing.
Rumblestripe said:
What I tend to find, particularly in sci fi, is the haters are far more vociferous than the lovers. Star Wars, Dr. Who and Star Trek have all be heavily trolled by haters.
Haters? These are fans that adore what's gone before - they're the people that've gone out and bought the VHS tapes, DVDs, BluRays, the figurines, posters, toys, the comics, the books, etc etc. They're the ones that are invested both financially and emotionally in these series and have kept them going for 50 years. These "haters" want nothing more than to enjoy another series; why would they turn on something that they love unless there's something seriously awry with the series themselves.Fan productions such as Prelude to Axanar and Star Trek Continues still manage to attract large amounts of funding from the same "haters" that are criticising STD. Both of those received a lot of praise as has The Orville. So why hate on STD and not these shows?
The people criticising STD aren't thoughtless trolls just out to make trouble, they really want nothing more than for STD to work for all and be a success, but the production team have had their heads so far up their arses that all they can do is trot out the "toxic fandom" line that then gets regurgitated without thought by the access media, as did the Star Wars and Dr Who teams. For a prime example of that, see this load of drivel and lies about Star Wars fans by Esquire.
I wanted STD to be good. I've enjoyed every generation of Star Trek since I was knee high to a Tribble, even Voyager. I'll criticise Voyager for ruining the Borg and for being too safe and missing so much opportunity to develop the story over the complete series, to show a darker side to Star Trek that "Year of Hell" gave us a glimpse of, but I'll still sing its praises where due and happily watch it time and again. In STD I struggle to find much of any merit at all and much to be very disappointed by.
jagnet said:
CBS can't give STD away and series 2 needed weeks of reshoots after test audiences gave S02 an approval rating of 15%. That's how bad things are with STD.
Have you got a link for that please - I'm quite well up on this kinda stuff and don't remember seeing anything about season 2's low testing results. Cheers.jagnet said:
Then there's the lawsuit against CBS and Netflix over the plagiarism in STD S01 that is still ongoing.
The lawsuit very probably won't succeed.https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2018/09/11/underst...
LoonyTunes said:
Have you got a link for that please - I'm quite well up on this kinda stuff and don't remember seeing anything about season 2's low testing results. Cheers.
It was mentioned in a Doomcock video as info from a CBS insider, so strong rumour rather than confirmed.LoonyTunes said:
Interesting read, thank you 
I'm in two minds about it. As much as I think the coincidence is eyebrow raisingly high, if it succeeded the fallout for ST would be bad and STD has enough problems already.jagnet said:
The people criticising STD aren't thoughtless trolls just out to make trouble, they really want nothing more than for STD to work for all and be a success, but the production team have had their heads so far up their arses that all they can do is trot out the "toxic fandom" line that then gets regurgitated without thought by the access media, as did the Star Wars and Dr Who teams. For a prime example of that, see this load of drivel and lies about Star Wars fans by Esquire.
I wanted STD to be good. I've enjoyed every generation of Star Trek since I was knee high to a Tribble, even Voyager. I'll criticise Voyager for ruining the Borg and for being too safe and missing so much opportunity to develop the story over the complete series, to show a darker side to Star Trek that "Year of Hell" gave us a glimpse of, but I'll still sing its praises where due and happily watch it time and again. In STD I struggle to find much of any merit at all and much to be very disappointed by.
Well it's not You tube...I wanted STD to be good. I've enjoyed every generation of Star Trek since I was knee high to a Tribble, even Voyager. I'll criticise Voyager for ruining the Borg and for being too safe and missing so much opportunity to develop the story over the complete series, to show a darker side to Star Trek that "Year of Hell" gave us a glimpse of, but I'll still sing its praises where due and happily watch it time and again. In STD I struggle to find much of any merit at all and much to be very disappointed by.
I really don't care that you don't like STD. Why should I? I don't care that Esquire magazine hated it (I'm guessing I didn't click the link). I enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to the new season.
I tried "The Orville" and didn't see any merit in it at all. Yes it was very TOS with a little knowing wink to a more modern audience but that aside it didn't do a lot for me. What I then DIDN'T do was go on threads about TO and slag it off. You've demonstrated why I get irritated with the haters. I don't expect you to like it if you don't and accept that you have the right to post that you don't like it. But why not move on, we're one series on, season two is on its way and you have (I hope) found better things to do with your viewing time?
jagnet said:
The threads would be rather dull if there was never any criticism of a show.
"I liked it"
"So did I"
"Yes, most enjoyable"
"Look forward to the next episode"
"I have reservations..."
"Out! We'll have no criticism here."
"I liked it"
"So did I"
"Yes, most enjoyable"
"Look forward to the next episode"
"I have reservations..."
"Out! We'll have no criticism here."
I love most Trek but apart from the alien first officer (name escapes me) and the Captain who turned into the bad guy who was the best actor in it, I failed to warm to any of the characters, who all seemed very 2 dimensional and barely seem to HAVE any character. Most of the acting (to me, anyway) seems poor and more akin to the American scifi my wife watches so much of on the SyFy channel (she loves Discovery, conversely). Compare the acting to something like Gotham, for example.
But people hate it, people like it; same as most tv. Ultimately its only tv.
jagnet said:
LoonyTunes said:
Have you got a link for that please - I'm quite well up on this kinda stuff and don't remember seeing anything about season 2's low testing results. Cheers.
It was mentioned in a Doomcock video as info from a CBS insider, so strong rumour rather than confirmed.LoonyTunes said:
Interesting read, thank you I'm in two minds about it. As much as I think the coincidence is eyebrow raisingly high, if it succeeded the fallout for ST would be bad and STD has enough problems already.colin_p said:
mikal83 said:
As there appears to be several netflickers here. Is it worth it? I have the full sky package, films sports etc, but I am a Trekkie and was miffed when it was on Netflix only. Missus and I like a good film but hate the cinema...…..(turn OFF your feckin phone you arseh@le etc). Watched 3 Billboards last week, magic. ……………?
"Full" sky, LOL.How much does that cost these days, £80/mth ?
Netflix has all the Startrek and lots of other nice things and less than a tenner a month.
mikal83 said:
colin_p said:
mikal83 said:
As there appears to be several netflickers here. Is it worth it? I have the full sky package, films sports etc, but I am a Trekkie and was miffed when it was on Netflix only. Missus and I like a good film but hate the cinema...…..(turn OFF your feckin phone you arseh@le etc). Watched 3 Billboards last week, magic. ……………?
"Full" sky, LOL.How much does that cost these days, £80/mth ?
Netflix has all the Startrek and lots of other nice things and less than a tenner a month.
carl_w said:
mikal83 said:
colin_p said:
mikal83 said:
As there appears to be several netflickers here. Is it worth it? I have the full sky package, films sports etc, but I am a Trekkie and was miffed when it was on Netflix only. Missus and I like a good film but hate the cinema...…..(turn OFF your feckin phone you arseh@le etc). Watched 3 Billboards last week, magic. ……………?
"Full" sky, LOL.How much does that cost these days, £80/mth ?
Netflix has all the Startrek and lots of other nice things and less than a tenner a month.
glazbagun said:
chris watton said:
Crucially, for those who pretend they liked this (or perhaps genuinely like it, we are in a world of Idiocracy after all), how many have actually bought the box set, and will watch any episode more than once? How many would actually pay to watch any more of this, if it wasn't already on a platform they pay for anyway?
I more or less liked it up until the shockingly lame finale, but it's clear that it isn't Star Trek in any form, it's just a crass IP smash & grab in a way that even the movie reboot wouldn't have dared attempt.
It isn't The Last Jedi levels of sacrilige in that it has at least been watchable on many occasions and "felt" Star Trekky on others, but I won't be buying the box set for my Dad who watched everything from TOS to Voyager.
I like sci-fi as a genre, but when I watch Star Trek, I expect at the very least that it is "Star Trek". And frankly, Discovery just isn't. It would be a far better series if they removed all the Star Trek content from it.
I've been collecting the Eagle Moss Star Trek models for the past few years. Think there are 140 models so far. They have started a Discovery collection, but the ships in general just look gash by comparison. And the Klingon ships completely dreadful and not aligned with the rest of the Trek universe. I have therefore bought exactly zero Discovery models. I wonder if I'm alone in this?
Personally I'm far more excited about season 2 of the Orville. The trailers look great for it.
LordGrover said:
Y'see... for me Orville is just rubbish - I just don't get it.
Thin story lines and poor acting. Is it supposed to be a comedy?
If you don't have that sense of humour, like any comedy, you won't enjoy it.Thin story lines and poor acting. Is it supposed to be a comedy?
We love The Orville. However it does stray into drama sometimes which is at odds with the irreverent tone. More hit than miss from me. But ultimately, humour is a personal thing.
toasty said:
geeks said:
So you missed the announce for 2019 then?
What's that? 
https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/star-trek-the-next...
LordGrover said:
Y'see... for me Orville is just rubbish - I just don't get it.
Thin story lines and poor acting. Is it supposed to be a comedy?
Try watching Season 1 and 2 of TNG. Has a very similar feel to it in many ways. There is actually quite a bit of humour in the earlier TNG seasons.Thin story lines and poor acting. Is it supposed to be a comedy?
And I'm not sure what you mean by thin story lines, surely they are pure Star Trek in their essence.
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