Harry's Garage - YouTube

[ChocolateFrog]

Glad I'm not the only one that thinks cosmetic carbon is pants

[ChocolateFrog]

Venisonpie said:

Latest Espada vid is great fun, two middle aged blokes talkinga about big bore exhausts on a Lamborghini.

I was hoping they'd pull the exhaust off at the headers and repeat.

Was hard to see but it looked like removing the backbox alone made virtually no difference despite what they were saying.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Sunday 7th April 20:40

[JeremyH5]

Those exhaust pipes look very small for the engine size. I had a 3 inch single pipe system from turbo to back bumper on a 1.6 MX5 for goodness sakes!

[Leithen]

What happened with the leaking carbs?

[614-HSO]

Why wasn't this issue with the exhaust picked up ages ago when the car was restored?

[trickywoo]

The most interesting thing for me was they both said it felt fast but the figures quoted put it around 125 bhp/tonne wheel, 150 per tonne at the crank.

Obviously the torque helps but I think also shows how much the feel and sound of a car contributes to how fast it feels.

[AnotherClarkey]

It seems to be possible to spend eye watering amounts with experts and repeatedly end up with a not quite sorted car.

[614-HSO]

AnotherClarkey said:

It seems to be possible to spend eye watering amounts with experts and repeatedly end up with a not quite sorted car.

I agree, it doesn't make Iain look very good, but how come Harry didn't notice it either?

[E90_M3Ross]

ChocolateFrog said:

Venisonpie said:

Latest Espada vid is great fun, two middle aged blokes talkinga about big bore exhausts on a Lamborghini.

I was hoping they'd pull the exhaust off at the headers and repeat.

Was hard to see but it looked like removing the back of alone made virtually no difference despite what they were saying.

If you saw they only removed one side of the exhaust. Look at both gauges and one was definitely better than the other, but it still wasn't very good!

[Leithen]

614-HSO said:

I agree, it doesn't make Iain look very good, but how come Harry didn't notice it either?

It probably reflects a number of things.

The original exhaust systems on most if not all cars will have been replaced by now? The numbers produced were so low that availability of anything to original design doesn't exist? The original cars may have had a variety of systems fitted from the factory?

Most owners of such Italian classics aren't putting them on rolling roads and trying to find out whether they are producing original power figures, whatever those were on four star leaded petrol? I suspect that most owners are over the moon if they are running smoothly on all 12 cylinders.

Refreshingly honest, as is usual, by Iain to be open about this discovery. He's dead right about Daytonas too.

[thegreenhell]

614-HSO said:

AnotherClarkey said:

It seems to be possible to spend eye watering amounts with experts and repeatedly end up with a not quite sorted car.

I agree, it doesn't make Iain look very good, but how come Harry didn't notice it either?

I think you're being a bit harsh. Are you expecting one man (and his small team) to be experts in all aspects of many different cars and turn out perfection every time when even the original manufacturer can't manage that?

When it comes to rebuilding old engines and not making the claimed horsepower you need to understand that they're trying to make them run safely to original specs, and not spending countless hours fine tuning them on a dyno to maximise performance. Then there's rampant optimism of 1960s/70s power figures, which weren't regulated by any modern standards. For example, if you bought an original E-Type 3.8 and expected to have the full claimed 265 bhp you'd be somewhat disappointed when you found the real figure on production cars started with a 1...

[ChocolateFrog]

My BiL runs the local Poweflow franchise and has done for atleast the last 25 years. He could knock up a great system for that for under a couple of grand. All nicely tigged stainless.

Will be interesting to see how much it ends up costing Harry, if we find out.

[Pistom]

ChocolateFrog said:

My BiL runs the local Poweflow franchise and has done for atleast the last 25 years. He could knock up a great system for that for under a couple of grand. All nicely tigged stainless.

Will be interesting to see how much it ends up costing Harry, if we find out.

That's a good estimate. An exhaust is an exhaust so really shouldn't cost the earth.

[milu]

ChocolateFrog said:

My BiL runs the local Poweflow franchise and has done for atleast the last 25 years. He could knock up a great system for that for under a couple of grand. All nicely tigged stainless.

Will be interesting to see how much it ends up costing Harry, if we find out.

Is that Brett? At top gear?

[BunkMoreland]

thegreenhell said:

I think you're being a bit harsh. Are you expecting one man (and his small team) to be experts in all aspects of many different cars and turn out perfection every time when even the original manufacturer can't manage that?...

Depends on the prices one man and his small team are charging. And whether that cost is related to a less than perfect outcome. Even Qwik Fitters can get an exhaust on.

I'd suggest that as they knew it would be featured by Harry they probably spent more time on the car too.

[614-HSO]

thegreenhell said:

614-HSO said:

AnotherClarkey said:

It seems to be possible to spend eye watering amounts with experts and repeatedly end up with a not quite sorted car.

I agree, it doesn't make Iain look very good, but how come Harry didn't notice it either?

I think you're being a bit harsh. Are you expecting one man (and his small team) to be experts in all aspects of many different cars and turn out perfection every time when even the original manufacturer can't manage that?

When it comes to rebuilding old engines and not making the claimed horsepower you need to understand that they're trying to make them run safely to original specs, and not spending countless hours fine tuning them on a dyno to maximise performance. Then there's rampant optimism of 1960s/70s power figures, which weren't regulated by any modern standards. For example, if you bought an original E-Type 3.8 and expected to have the full claimed 265 bhp you'd be somewhat disappointed when you found the real figure on production cars started with a 1...

Am I?

Iain is the go to for the Bizzarrini engine, there seems to be a now very noticeable issue, this isn't surely something that has just happened?

I think Iain and Harry are great!

[Bilkob]

JeremyH5 said:

Those exhaust pipes look very small for the engine size. I had a 3 inch single pipe system from turbo to back bumper on a 1.6 MX5 for goodness sakes!

Did you have arrows printed on the inside to tell the confused gas which way to go?

[thegreenhell]

BunkMoreland said:

thegreenhell said:

I think you're being a bit harsh. Are you expecting one man (and his small team) to be experts in all aspects of many different cars and turn out perfection every time when even the original manufacturer can't manage that?...

Depends on the prices one man and his small team are charging. And whether that cost is related to a less than perfect outcome. Even Qwik Fitters can get an exhaust on.

I'd suggest that as they knew it would be featured by Harry they probably spent more time on the car too.

But they just reused the exhaust that was already on the car when Harry took it to them for the rebuild, presumably at Harry's instruction. They wouldn't do any exhaust work or any other out of scope work without discussing it with the customer first.

We also don't know how it compares to a completely factory standard exhaust on one of these, so it could end up being a marginal difference and a case of they all do that. If they don't routinely dyno these cars how will they know what is normal?

[basherX]

Leithen said:

What happened with the leaking carbs?

Glad it wasn’t just me- I thought I must have missed something. Don’t think he covered that at all (?)

[540TORQUES]

Leithen said:

What happened with the leaking carbs?

Probably just sticking/weeping float valves, carbs dont like standing unused.