Biggest plot holes
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Mr Snrub said:
GravelBen said:
Antony Moxey said:
On a space ship, in space, which way would be north?
The enemy's gate is down? 
Maybe they designated the death star with 'north' and 'south' poles to avoid confusion.
Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 20th December 10:40
I think when you're trying to compare Science Fiction and real Science you're always going to come unstuck.
It seems that in pretty much every Spaceship ever created they've managed to crack very good artificial gravity because trying to fake zero gravity or sending a cast of actors up in the vomit comet is going to be a logistical nightmare.
Not to mention the 0-lightspeed in a blink of an eye acceleration that would crush most things inside as flat as a pancake.
It seems that in pretty much every Spaceship ever created they've managed to crack very good artificial gravity because trying to fake zero gravity or sending a cast of actors up in the vomit comet is going to be a logistical nightmare.
Not to mention the 0-lightspeed in a blink of an eye acceleration that would crush most things inside as flat as a pancake.
P-Jay said:
I think when you're trying to compare Science Fiction and real Science you're always going to come unstuck.
It seems that in pretty much every Spaceship ever created they've managed to crack very good artificial gravity because trying to fake zero gravity or sending a cast of actors up in the vomit comet is going to be a logistical nightmare.
Not to mention the 0-lightspeed in a blink of an eye acceleration that would crush most things inside as flat as a pancake.
Yep. I think a separate thread is needed to discuss creative liberties taken by sci-fi to tell a good (or bad) story. It seems that in pretty much every Spaceship ever created they've managed to crack very good artificial gravity because trying to fake zero gravity or sending a cast of actors up in the vomit comet is going to be a logistical nightmare.
Not to mention the 0-lightspeed in a blink of an eye acceleration that would crush most things inside as flat as a pancake.
I just accept these things. They don't even need to say 'artificial gravity' or 'inertial dampers'. Most of us have watched the genre long enough to take it as read. It's impossible, but go with it so we can enjoy the film.
Antony Moxey said:
Mr Snrub said:
GravelBen said:
Antony Moxey said:
On a space ship, in space, which way would be north?
The enemy's gate is down? Maybe they designated the death star with 'north' and 'south' poles to avoid confusion.
Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 20th December 10:40
warp9 said:
I can't remember which book it was but they used the main solar star as the key navigational point. Port and starboard was all centred around that.
Huh? It's been a long day but surely Port and Starboard relate to the sides of the ship relative to the front. If it's relative to some external point then it's going to get bloody confusing pretty quickly? I mean, middle of a battle with all your defensive manoeuvre beta twaddle, the last thing you need to do is pop over to the window to see which way is Port.Edited by bstb3 on Tuesday 20th December 17:27
bstb3 said:
warp9 said:
I can't remember which book it was but they used the main solar star as the key navigational point. Port and starboard was all centred around that.
Huh? It's been a long day but surely Port and Starboard relate to the sides of the ship relative to the front. If it's relative to some external point then it's going to get bloody confusing pretty quickly? I mean, middle of a battle with all your defensive manoeuvre beta twaddle, the last thing you need to do is pop over to the window to see which way is Port.Don't see the issue myself.
As long as you choose a fixed point on the Deathstar, let's say the whopping great laser on what we will call the "front", then north/south/port/starboard/whatever make perfect sense.
Much like Americans using compass directions to describe points within a building.
I always used to wonder when someone says to someone else "it's in the northwest corner" how that person was supposed to know which bloody direction north was. Then it occured to me they're using the direction of entry through the main entrance as north. At least I hope that's what it is otherwise I'm still confused and now embarrassed after admitting that.
As long as you choose a fixed point on the Deathstar, let's say the whopping great laser on what we will call the "front", then north/south/port/starboard/whatever make perfect sense.
Much like Americans using compass directions to describe points within a building.
I always used to wonder when someone says to someone else "it's in the northwest corner" how that person was supposed to know which bloody direction north was. Then it occured to me they're using the direction of entry through the main entrance as north. At least I hope that's what it is otherwise I'm still confused and now embarrassed after admitting that.
Independence Day. Having established they can bring the shield on the ships down for a short period, why not just hit them with small nukes, rather than scouring the world for pilots. Much, much easier to co-ordinate.
My favourite is in the old Stallone Judge Dredd film, due I believe to post production cuts. At the end when all the clones start waking up and attacking Dredd and Hershey, the base they are in begins to blow up around them for no reason whatsoever.
My favourite is in the old Stallone Judge Dredd film, due I believe to post production cuts. At the end when all the clones start waking up and attacking Dredd and Hershey, the base they are in begins to blow up around them for no reason whatsoever.
Johnnytheboy said:
Independence Day. Having established they can bring the shield on the ships down for a short period, why not just hit them with small nukes, rather than scouring the world for pilots. Much, much easier to co-ordinate.
My favourite is in the old Stallone Judge Dredd film, due I believe to post production cuts. At the end when all the clones start waking up and attacking Dredd and Hershey, the base they are in begins to blow up around them for no reason whatsoever.
They can only be destroyed by blowing up their big gun. Nukes would be overkill what would be the point if a normal missile did it?My favourite is in the old Stallone Judge Dredd film, due I believe to post production cuts. At the end when all the clones start waking up and attacking Dredd and Hershey, the base they are in begins to blow up around them for no reason whatsoever.
Johnnytheboy said:
Independence Day. Having established they can bring the shield on the ships down for a short period, why not just hit them with small nukes, rather than scouring the world for pilots. Much, much easier to co-ordinate.
Well they didn't know if it would even work, and either way they'd cover the world in nuclear fallout. Plus the one at Area 51 was almost right on top of them, so they would have either killed themselves or be consigned to spending the rest of their lives in a bunker
bstb3 said:
warp9 said:
I can't remember which book it was but they used the main solar star as the key navigational point. Port and starboard was all centred around that.
Huh? It's been a long day but surely Port and Starboard relate to the sides of the ship relative to the front. If it's relative to some external point then it's going to get bloody confusing pretty quickly? I mean, middle of a battle with all your defensive manoeuvre beta twaddle, the last thing you need to do is pop over to the window to see which way is Port.Edited by bstb3 on Tuesday 20th December 17:27
Having port and starboard relative to a fixed point in space would be the most confusing option possible!
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 21st December 14:07
Antony Moxey said:
The X-Men timeline. Forgive me for not remembering in which films they appear but we have Patrick Stewart playing Professor Xavier who is confined to a wheelchair. One or two films later we see a flashback to a younger Stewart's Xavier walking out of a helicopter to welcome mutants aboard.
We then get the McAvoy Xavier from much earlier in the time line as a perfectly able bodied man who loses the use of his legs when Michael Fassbender's Magneto has a bullet ricochet into his spine. So in timeline order (rather than film order) he's walking then becomes wheelchair bound, back to walking again then wheelchair bound once again.
Also Star Wars, although not so much a plot hole. When Lando Calrissian attacks the second Death Star they fly inside and he instructs a fellow pilot to attack the north tower. Excuse me? 'North' tower? On a space ship, in space, which way would be north?
iirc from the cartoons, Prof X loses the ability to walk due to his powers. The stronger they are the less he walks.We then get the McAvoy Xavier from much earlier in the time line as a perfectly able bodied man who loses the use of his legs when Michael Fassbender's Magneto has a bullet ricochet into his spine. So in timeline order (rather than film order) he's walking then becomes wheelchair bound, back to walking again then wheelchair bound once again.
Also Star Wars, although not so much a plot hole. When Lando Calrissian attacks the second Death Star they fly inside and he instructs a fellow pilot to attack the north tower. Excuse me? 'North' tower? On a space ship, in space, which way would be north?
Antony Moxey said:
Tony Starks said:
iirc from the cartoons, Prof X loses the ability to walk due to his powers. The stronger they are the less he walks.
But in the film it was because a bullet ricocheted into his spine.Tony Starks said:
Antony Moxey said:
Tony Starks said:
iirc from the cartoons, Prof X loses the ability to walk due to his powers. The stronger they are the less he walks.
But in the film it was because a bullet ricocheted into his spine.
Antony Moxey said:
It was in the film where you see them from the beginning following them from children to young adults and where Xavier first meets Magneto - I can't remember what it's called, possibly X-Men: origins? But he definitely has both powers and the full use of his legs until he's shot.
And then in Days of Future Past, he can walk again even after getting shot, because of the medication that Hank (Beast) gives him, which allows him to walk, but then does not allow him to use his powers. So it is a bit "wrong" to the Stewart, bald version walking in the Wolverine film because truthfully that should have been when he was in a wheelchair. Doesn't quite stack up and is one of the issues with them having filmed out of continuity.
Having just watched "The deer hunter" start to finish for the first time, a plot hole appeared. The guy who went AWOL and stays in country hooked on playing (and winning) Russian roulette, regularly sends cash back to Stevie who is in a VA hospital. So how the f
k is he meant to have lost the plot and not recognise Robert de Nero but still sends money back?
k is he meant to have lost the plot and not recognise Robert de Nero but still sends money back?Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff