Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[AshVX220]

Mr. White said:

Never mind the "disrespecting history" arguments, even on its own merits as a single film it was incredibly poor. The storylines were nonsense and full of contradictions and inconsistencies, and that's before the clear SJW/Third Wave Feminism politics.

The result was a film that neither "fans" nor newbies generally liked. That's some effort.

Haven't heard any more on Johnson's trilogy yet, hopefully it's been canned. Mind you, after this effort and his subsequent interviews I have no intention of seeing another film made by him, Star Wars or otherwise.

Haven't seen any interviews by him, but I thought the whole SJW thing was at Kennedy's direction.

Either way, I still find it amazing that no-one seems to be able to point out to these current people that we had amazing strong female characters years ago, they just got on with it without the fan-fare and need to make it quite so obvious.

[RemyMartin81D]

DMN said:

On its own, its a decent film.

Total nonsense. Awful film, ropey sfx (for this era), ropey acting (by star wars standard, Hayden notwithstanding) and the plot is nonsensical with insane decisions all the time with zero reasoning or logic.

Gave it another go at home, even worse I guess being in cinema first time stopped me literally from walking out plus I was with guests.

It ranks with Prometheus as one of the worst films I've seen made in the 21st century.

[chris watton]

AshVX220 said:

Haven't seen any interviews by him, but I thought the whole SJW thing was at Kennedy's direction.

Either way, I still find it amazing that no-one seems to be able to point out to these current people that we had amazing strong female characters years ago, they just got on with it without the fan-fare and need to make it quite so obvious.

Strange that these people think themselves as some kind of feminine trail-blazers. I am sure that even in the '70's, 40 years ago, we had the likes of Wonder Woman and The Bionic Woman gracing 24" CRT's. I remember watching those and not ever thinking I shouldn't because I am a boy and the leads are female.

I have no idea what goes through the minds of these people to make them think they're doing something new and edgy!

[mp3manager]

DMN said:

On its own, its a decent film.

As a Star Wars film its very poor.

I find your lack of apostrophes disturbing.

Edited by mp3manager on Tuesday 10th April 22:28

[Lucas Ayde]

AshVX220 said:

Haven't seen any interviews by him, but I thought the whole SJW thing was at Kennedy's direction.

Either way, I still find it amazing that no-one seems to be able to point out to these current people that we had amazing strong female characters years ago, they just got on with it without the fan-fare and need to make it quite so obvious.

But back then, we didn't have a bunch of people obsessed with pushing identity politics.

Same reason why the media wasn't losing it's mind over Wesley Snipes being the hero of 'Blade' (a genuinely good film with a Black Superhero) vs the ludicrous and undeserved rave reviews of Black Panter by virtue-signaling, SJW-inclinded journos and movie critics.

[gavsdavs]

RemyMartin81D said:

It ranks with Prometheus as one of the worst films I've seen made in the 21st century.

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but Prometheus was a disappointment because of it's important place in the storyline but (IMHO) has got less bad over time and is actually watchable. Especially since seeing Alien:Covenant which was a lot worse.

TLJ on the other hand is still a steaming turd and IS one of the worst written films in the last 5 years and is especially damaging because of it's place in the (overall) storyline. It's a f*cking howler.

Edited by gavsdavs on Wednesday 11th April 13:54

[Lucas Ayde]

HorneyMX5 said:

First Star Wars film I haven’t had some form of home media release on the day it’s released since Phantom Menace. I will buy it eventually but not until it’s in the reduced section.

Solo looks dire as well. Not even going to bother with that until a few people I know have been to see it and given their verdict.

The trailer for Solo actually looks really good - however, that's the job of a trailer. I'm keeping an open mind. Rogue One was very good so that bodes well for 'non-Star Wars' tales set in the same Universe.

Haven't watched TLJ yet ... as with TFA I didn't bother going to the cinema and am waiting for the Blu Ray to go on offer.

However, since a lot of people expressing disapproval of TLJ actually seemed to like TFA I'm not even sure I want to see it now as I thought TFA was pretty rubbish, for many of the same reasons people are criticising TLJ for.

Still, I have all the other Star Wars movies on DVD or BD, so I probably will get it for completeness.

[stuckmojo]

fking dreadful pile of st. (that's my useless opinion anyway).

I hated it. Hated it so much I can't watch the original stuff anymore either.

I hate it as much as I hate Metallica's Black Album. For the very same reason. It's a whole mound of regurgitated condescending PC vomit.

[Moonhawk]

Lucas Ayde said:

The trailer for Solo actually looks really good - however, that's the job of a trailer.

A trailer can be cut to make a movie look like anything - especially if the film makers are willing to put scenes into the trailer that end up on the cutting room floor (like many scenes did in Rogue One).

In some cases they even film shots specifically for the trailer that are never intended to make it into the movie - and are designed specifically to generate hype for the movie.

Who remembers the trailer for Predators that showed Royce targeted by dozens of Predator plasmacaster lasers. Not only did that scene not appear in the movie - there weren't enough predators in the movie to even make it possible!

I only believe trailers these days if I am confident they will be fairly representative (e.g. I think the MCU trailers are pretty spot on and do accurately represent the scale and feel of the movie they are for).

[Halb]

RemyMartin81D said:

It ranks with Prometheus as one of the worst films I've seen made in the 21st century.

walks in, lays down copy of Alien Covenant on table, walks out nonchalantly

[Halb]

Lucas Ayde said:

However, since a lot of people expressing disapproval of TLJ actually seemed to like TFA I'm not even sure I want to see it now as I thought TFA was pretty rubbish, for many of the same reasons people are criticising TLJ for.

At the time, I gave a lot of TFA a bye (I think a lot did), as it was the first one off the blocks, but after watching TLJ, and then taking a relook at TFA, it's actually a pretty bad film overall too; writing, plot structure, the whole Rey is practically a God thing, after founding out what a mary sue is and how that whole thing started, one can see it's like TFA was written by a 13 year old fan. Kinda staggering, but there ya go.

[Rumblestripe]

@Halb
Have you kept a count of the number of posts you have made on this thread. We get it, you didn't like it.

For anyone else. Is anyone doing a better deal than the rest on the Blu-ray? I'd prefer one with a download code but not interested in 3D

Thanks

[Vincefox]

CBA to check if i've already posted this or not, but here goes...


My take: You know when someone goes on "America's Got X Factor Voice Talent On Ice And Dec Takeaway Factor" and sings something by a big voice artist? Your Celine Dions, your Freddie Mercurys, etc?

Anyway, your mark shuffles into the spotlight, gives some bks about how it's their destiny and passion and so on to be a singer. They then perform and hit the notes, breathe when they should and stop on time. It's all there, more or less. Then they get the feedback from the judges, which is invariably something along the lines of "good effort, etc, etc, but the song was just a bit too big for you".

The characters were there. The ships were there. The underpinning mythology was there. But the treatment of Hamill, whose best acting has been in pretending he's ok with all of this, was fking shocking. Ford didn't want to return, I get that. Fisher's dead and even she can't get over that. But Hamill has never been anything less than an utter professional, team player and all round brilliant human being with a full understanding of how important his character has been as a pop and film culture icon. They binned him off and spent half a film on a diversity diversion that was hammered in with all the grace of an angry toddler trying to get a square peg into a round hole. Shameful.

And for the record, no one ever needed to be told how tough Fisher's character was. Food for thought.

Edited by Vincefox on Wednesday 11th April 19:52

[renmure]

Late to the party (again) but after watching this tonight.. I thought it was dross.
The best bit was the end.... just because it meant it was over.
That movie will never darken my viewing again.

On the other hand, anytime Rogue One comes on telly I can dip in and out of it with glee.

[Halb]

Rumblestripe said:

@Halb
Have you kept a count of the number of posts you have made on this thread. We get it, you didn't like it.

Thanks

@rumblestripe
thank you for your input, couldn't give a tinker's cuss

for anyone else, thank goodness we are allowed to discuss things. cheers

[RemyMartin81D]

Halb said:

walks in, lays down copy of Alien Covenant on table, walks out nonchalantly

They are both st.

[Lucas Ayde]

Rumblestripe said:

@Halb
Have you kept a count of the number of posts you have made on this thread. We get it, you didn't like it.

For anyone else. Is anyone doing a better deal than the rest on the Blu-ray? I'd prefer one with a download code but not interested in 3D

Thanks

FYI: With Flixster dropping support, there's currently no way to access the Ultraviolet movies (that's what you get the download code for) in the UK. At least, that I know of. If someone knows better, fill me in.

[Lucas Ayde]

Halb said:

At the time, I gave a lot of TFA a bye (I think a lot did), as it was the first one off the blocks, but after watching TLJ, and then taking a relook at TFA, it's actually a pretty bad film overall too; writing, plot structure, the whole Rey is practically a God thing, after founding out what a mary sue is and how that whole thing started, one can see it's like TFA was written by a 13 year old fan. Kinda staggering, but there ya go.

Yeah, it was like a poorly written remake of Episode IV with some 'Right ON!' (OK, a lot of) PC-ness added.

People were defending Rey's near-omnipotence as being part of a bigger plot reveal but AFAICT, the second of the trilogy (TLJ) didn't address that at all. I guess it's just because she is a super-badass empowered woman .

[Gnits]

All of the very real and dangerous and powerful threats set up in TFA were instantly nullified in TLJ. Basically a big middle finger to any and all films before for no reason at all because the director has no clue, a really great and exciting cast ruined, Star Wars is now dead. I'm watching Twilight from now on because at least Ryan won't come along and $h!t on it.
Disney are best off saying 'Sorry, lets try that again' at least I would watch THAT! The Solo thing can do one too, looks more lame than TLJ.

[Halb]

Lucas Ayde said:

People were defending Rey's near-omnipotence as being part of a bigger plot reveal but AFAICT, the second of the trilogy (TLJ) didn't address that at all. I guess it's just because she is a super-badass empowered woman .

Like Teressa May