Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix
Discussion
SS2. said:
Is it wrong to regard Discovery as a standalone (effectively ignoring previous manifestations of the franchise) and just enjoying it for what it is ?
I certainly do.
It still has plenty of ST in it, its not like you dont watch an episode with the uniforms, comm badges, klingons, subtle noises in from the equipment etc. and not realise its ST. I think we just need to step away a bit more from the bickering about why Klingons look different or whatever nuance is the flavour of the week to pull out and complain about. I certainly do.
The programme itself does seem to be very polarising, we probably have an over index of hard core trekkies on here who want it to be completely canon and storytell like TNG and just be more of the same but it doesn't do that. But its futile (see what I did there!) for those same Trekkies to try 'out Trek' those that do like it citing Star Trek canon because ultimately those that do like it are happy to see canon flexed anyway.
ThunderSpook said:
Maybe we should set a new thread up for people who actually like Discovery.
Personally, if you lot get this cancelled because of your incessant whinging I shall be really pissed off.
Basically, TOS was s
t, TNG was awesome but looks soooo dated, DS9 was dull, Voyager was pretty good, Enterprise was cack because it tried to stick to canon, Discovery is very much here and now and reflects what TV is like these days. It’s awesome, get used to it.
If you don’t like the fact that they ignored a piece of canon that only 3 people (including you) know about, watch something else. Discussing how a show fits in with history is one thing, ripping it to shreds constantly every week over the same stuff will only lead to it being cancelled which eventually leads to no Star Trek.
DS9 was brilliant! Did you watch all of it? Good post though, well said. TNG has been helped by the stunning Blu-ray remasters. Personally, if you lot get this cancelled because of your incessant whinging I shall be really pissed off.
Basically, TOS was s
t, TNG was awesome but looks soooo dated, DS9 was dull, Voyager was pretty good, Enterprise was cack because it tried to stick to canon, Discovery is very much here and now and reflects what TV is like these days. It’s awesome, get used to it.If you don’t like the fact that they ignored a piece of canon that only 3 people (including you) know about, watch something else. Discussing how a show fits in with history is one thing, ripping it to shreds constantly every week over the same stuff will only lead to it being cancelled which eventually leads to no Star Trek.
chris watton said:
Conversely , if this was really half as good as you try to make out, there would be far less detractors, wouldn't there? Look at other threads with more popular TV series' and look at the love/hate ratio of posts, most love really good TV.
I cannot comment on the quality of the latest series of STD as I decided life's too short, but it seems to me, based on proper user reviews (not MSM crap), that this particular incarnation of Star Trek will be very lucky to get a third season.
I cannot comment on the quality of the latest series of STD as I decided life's too short, but it seems to me, based on proper user reviews (not MSM crap), that this particular incarnation of Star Trek will be very lucky to get a third season.
The proof is in the pudding. If it is any good, then it'll probably go to S3, since CBS will think it's worth it. Though the new films had to really crash out to stop them.
I quite enjoyed S1 of this but S2 is mediocre at best. The whole thing just feels like a mess, I hope it gets a bit more clarity and focus but it right now the designed by committee feel abounds.
Hanging the whole thing off MB was a mistake, one of the dullest characters in the program.
Hanging the whole thing off MB was a mistake, one of the dullest characters in the program.
ThunderSpook said:
Because essentially no new sci-fi is ever good enough for die-hard fans because it’s not exactly the same as what they watched before.
What utter rubbish. The Expanse is new and is widely considered to be some of the best sci-fi that we've had in years. Likewise The Orville is new and much loved. What about Dark Matter and Counterpoint - much liked but sadly cancelled.ThunderSpook said:
Personally, if you lot get this cancelled because of your incessant whinging I shall be really pissed off.
If it weren't for people "whining" about Season 1 then this season would just have been more of the same, and likely even worse. Originally it was never intended to directly involve TOS characters in Discovery, so there'd be no Pike on board the Discovery this season if they'd stuck to that. Bullett said:
I quite enjoyed S1 of this but S2 is mediocre at best. The whole thing just feels like a mess, I hope it gets a bit more clarity and focus but it right now the designed by committee feel abounds.
Hanging the whole thing off MB was a mistake, one of the dullest characters in the program.
I quite like MB but do wonder if Captain Pike is there purposely as a foil to her character and to spice things up.Hanging the whole thing off MB was a mistake, one of the dullest characters in the program.
Halb said:
chris watton said:
Conversely , if this was really half as good as you try to make out, there would be far less detractors, wouldn't there? Look at other threads with more popular TV series' and look at the love/hate ratio of posts, most love really good TV.
I cannot comment on the quality of the latest series of STD as I decided life's too short, but it seems to me, based on proper user reviews (not MSM crap), that this particular incarnation of Star Trek will be very lucky to get a third season.
I cannot comment on the quality of the latest series of STD as I decided life's too short, but it seems to me, based on proper user reviews (not MSM crap), that this particular incarnation of Star Trek will be very lucky to get a third season.
The proof is in the pudding. If it is any good, then it'll probably go to S3, since CBS will think it's worth it. Though the new films had to really crash out to stop them.
jagnet said:
If it weren't for people "whining" about Season 1 then this season would just have been more of the same, and likely even worse. Originally it was never intended to directly involve TOS characters in Discovery, so there'd be no Pike on board the Discovery this season if they'd stuck to that.
What utter rubbish as if the execs listen to a few blowhards on the internet.Why not watch the stuff you like and not watch the stuff you don't (works for me)?
Internet feedback is a real thing, and things get changed on the back of it. For decades films have been changed thanks to a tiny proportion of viewers at pre-screenings. Large films get lots of reshoots, even a few months away from release. STD has course-corrected, there's going to be a reason for that.
Rumblestripe said:
What utter rubbish as if the execs listen to a few blowhards on the internet.
Why not watch the stuff you like and not watch the stuff you don't (works for me)?
LOL, That's just it, isn't it? They look at viewing figures, Their problem is that not enough people are watching it and nowhere near enough subscribed off the back off the new STD series.Why not watch the stuff you like and not watch the stuff you don't (works for me)?
People are not watching the stuff they don't like, and that, seemingly includes STD!
Bullett said:
I quite enjoyed S1 of this but S2 is mediocre at best. The whole thing just feels like a mess, I hope it gets a bit more clarity and focus but it right now the designed by committee feel abounds.
Hanging the whole thing off MB was a mistake, one of the dullest characters in the program.
Yes I agree, the lead character is wrong, but the character itself is playing itself perfectly. It's like if you had used Tuvok or Spock as the lead character on Voyager or TOS - both played the character well (as I think the MB character does) but Vulcans/those brought up as Vuclans are in their nature quite wooden people! Pike has really come in and taken that lead role now in my view, does a great job.Hanging the whole thing off MB was a mistake, one of the dullest characters in the program.
coldel said:
It still has plenty of ST in it, its not like you dont watch an episode with the uniforms, comm badges, klingons, subtle noises in from the equipment etc. and not realise its ST. I think we just need to step away a bit more from the bickering about why Klingons look different or whatever nuance is the flavour of the week to pull out and complain about.
The programme itself does seem to be very polarising, we probably have an over index of hard core trekkies on here who want it to be completely canon and storytell like TNG and just be more of the same but it doesn't do that. But its futile (see what I did there!) for those same Trekkies to try 'out Trek' those that do like it citing Star Trek canon because ultimately those that do like it are happy to see canon flexed anyway.
I think you do touch on a valid point.The programme itself does seem to be very polarising, we probably have an over index of hard core trekkies on here who want it to be completely canon and storytell like TNG and just be more of the same but it doesn't do that. But its futile (see what I did there!) for those same Trekkies to try 'out Trek' those that do like it citing Star Trek canon because ultimately those that do like it are happy to see canon flexed anyway.
And it's apparent in this thread and other places on the web.
I have observed this general trend:
| People who like Discovery | People not so sure/don't like Discovery |
|---|---|
| Are people who never watched previous Star Trek | People who have watched every episode of all past series |
| Are people who hate on previous Star Trek | Like all of the "Kirk" error films; 1 through 6 + Generations |
| People who generally bash one or more previous Star Trek series/movies | People interested in the wider Star Trek universe |
Not sure that's quite right.
There are a number of people on this thread including myself who have watched every ST episode of all the series over the years and would describe themselves as ST fans with just cause.
It's just that apparently we're not 'true fans' as we don't collect dolls or give a monkey's about whether the Enterprise is 40 or 60 years old.
The 'true fans' like to bh because they are obsessive and as such they are louder for a disproportionately small number of people. The rest of the fans are just happy that Star Trek is back on TV.
There are a number of people on this thread including myself who have watched every ST episode of all the series over the years and would describe themselves as ST fans with just cause.
It's just that apparently we're not 'true fans' as we don't collect dolls or give a monkey's about whether the Enterprise is 40 or 60 years old.
The 'true fans' like to b
h because they are obsessive and as such they are louder for a disproportionately small number of people. The rest of the fans are just happy that Star Trek is back on TV.300bhp/ton said:
I think you do touch on a valid point.
And it's apparent in this thread and other places on the web.
I have observed this general trend:
As a general theme you probably arent far off. I do though feel there are people that are very much trekkies having watched a lot of it like me but who are not so wedded to the canon that can let things go in Discovery. It certainly 'feels' less trekky than say TNG but it is still ST for me with enough flavour of the universe for it to be associated with it - I just don't expect it to be a plod through each episode with the occasional burst of activity, its clear the intention is to try and stuff as much action and CGI in as possible. And it's apparent in this thread and other places on the web.
I have observed this general trend:
| People who like Discovery | People not so sure/don't like Discovery |
|---|---|
| Are people who never watched previous Star Trek | People who have watched every episode of all past series |
| Are people who hate on previous Star Trek | Like all of the "Kirk" error films; 1 through 6 + Generations |
| People who generally bash one or more previous Star Trek series/movies | People interested in the wider Star Trek universe |
I am just working through series 3 of the Expanse (I completely missed this appearing!) and alongside STD gives me a nice mix of Scifi to get on with
Rumblestripe said:
Why not watch the stuff you like and not watch the stuff you don't (works for me)?
Well as it happens I do like Star Trek, I always have done. Unfortunately STD is Star Trek in name only, and whilst that exists we aren't getting Star Trek. Even worse than that is the problem that the longer STD goes on the harder it'll be for future Trek to pretend it never existed.If CBS had launched this as a new sci-fi series it wouldn't ever be an issue and people could just ignore it. Unfortunately they assumed that Star Trek fans would just be happy to accept whatever dross they served up - any Trek is better than no Trek. Talk about not understanding your audience. Star Trek fans are probably the very last group that you can do that to.
Given that Moonves reportedly didn't know the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars it's not altogether surprising that he misjudged it.
ben5575 said:
Not sure that's quite right.
There are a number of people on this thread including myself who have watched every ST episode of all the series over the years and would describe themselves as ST fans with just cause.
It's just that apparently we're not 'true fans' as we don't collect dolls or give a monkey's about whether the Enterprise is 40 or 60 years old.
The 'true fans' like to bh because they are obsessive and as such they are louder for a disproportionately small number of people. The rest of the fans are just happy that Star Trek is back on TV.
lol There are a number of people on this thread including myself who have watched every ST episode of all the series over the years and would describe themselves as ST fans with just cause.
It's just that apparently we're not 'true fans' as we don't collect dolls or give a monkey's about whether the Enterprise is 40 or 60 years old.
The 'true fans' like to b
h because they are obsessive and as such they are louder for a disproportionately small number of people. The rest of the fans are just happy that Star Trek is back on TV.
I did say "trend", so obviously there will be exceptions.
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