Better Call Saul - Prequel to Breaking Bad

Better Call Saul - Prequel to Breaking Bad

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hornetrider

63,161 posts

207 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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It certainly crossed my mind.

Calza

2,007 posts

117 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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This is very very good.

Nimby

4,649 posts

152 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Interview with Bob Odenkirk in today's Telegraph.

Big Raff

1,332 posts

173 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Just finished Breaking Bad last night...i was looking for a fix, I presume this is it

joema

2,659 posts

181 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Defo. Hints of breaking bad and certainly as enjoyable if not more so... But it's not quite as dark and that lies the main difference

RogerVulva

1,130 posts

192 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Really liking this so far. Ep3 was a bit predictable and I actually think some of the acting wasn't quite as brilliant as it could be, Mostly from the other lawyer bird.

JustinP1

13,330 posts

232 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Following on from myself and a few others commenting on how stunningly good the picture quality is to watch, I think I've cracked it.

Last night, I cranked it up onto a projector with a 105 inch screen. I've never even streamed onto it before as standard definition TV is pretty unwatchable.

I have a measly 2.5 meg rural internet connection, and it's got 5.1 surround encoded, and it still looks stunning. It looks better than Sky HD and BBC HD, and is not far off being blu-ray quality. I'd say closer to blu-ray than Sky HD... which is astonishing.

Going back to what I mentioned previously, I believed that this is a watershed moment as projects like this will be filmed primarily with streaming quality in mind. I've noted two things:

Firstly, Breaking Bad was shot on film. That's fine for TV, but when you're streaming, a lot of data is taken up capturing the film 'grain' for no clarity benefit. I am certain BCS is shot digitally, probably at 4K.

Secondly, this is a situation where the 'art' of filmmaking is somewhat a slave to technology. If you notice film-geek things, knowing the following might annoy you, so I'll spoilerise it as once it is seen, it can't be unseen:

95% of the shots are shot with the camera absolutely still, and the shots are long without too many short 'cuts'. This cuts down on the bitrate needed as they only have to encode the 'changes' from frame to frame. That's why it looks so good, it's not being compressed as much as other streams. Where there is a moving shot it's almost like they've been 'saving up' the data to make an impact and it still streams in HD, as the way Netflix streams it downloads ahead of itself.

But you really don't notice it. I've not seen House of Cards, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that they'll use the same method to be able to stream it in 4K. Although they will of course use some compression, the real skill is in planning the camera work.

All good news for getting stuff to stream in 4K!

stuart313

740 posts

115 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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It was made for AMC though which I presume is just a USA cable channel, like Sky 1 etc. Its only streaming because netflix have bought the rights to it.

Digitalize

2,850 posts

137 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Netflix commissioned the series, AMC get to broadcast it in the US, probably due to some rights they had from BB, or not wanting to burn bridges etc.

It's interesting as its a Netflix Original, which is first available on cable.

Yazar

1,476 posts

122 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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davepoth said:
Yazar said:
Was good to see a swimming pool again!


The ending bit was a few seconds two long as they pulled each way, as you knew what the bag contained.
I'm pretty sure that making that bit a little bit too long was a conscious choice. The attention to detail on things like that is acute - like getting the cardboard tube out of the roll of kitchen towel. There was no narrative point to that at all (he could have grabbed an empty one from a bin), but it was a fantastic few seconds of showing how things work in Saul/Jimmy's head.

Personally, I think the point of making that bit a little bit too long was that we were supposed to be shouting the obvious thing at Saul/Jimmy, since he was so excited about not getting killed by Nacho he wasn't thinking about what he was doing.

Edited by davepoth on Tuesday 17th February 23:48
I have come across your previous work biggrin



rich85uk

3,447 posts

181 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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JustinP1 said:
Following on from myself and a few others commenting on how stunningly good the picture quality is to watch, I think I've cracked it.

Last night, I cranked it up onto a projector with a 105 inch screen. I've never even streamed onto it before as standard definition TV is pretty unwatchable.

I have a measly 2.5 meg rural internet connection, and it's got 5.1 surround encoded, and it still looks stunning. It looks better than Sky HD and BBC HD, and is not far off being blu-ray quality. I'd say closer to blu-ray than Sky HD... which is astonishing.

Going back to what I mentioned previously, I believed that this is a watershed moment as projects like this will be filmed primarily with streaming quality in mind. I've noted two things:

Firstly, Breaking Bad was shot on film. That's fine for TV, but when you're streaming, a lot of data is taken up capturing the film 'grain' for no clarity benefit. I am certain BCS is shot digitally, probably at 4K.

Secondly, this is a situation where the 'art' of filmmaking is somewhat a slave to technology. If you notice film-geek things, knowing the following might annoy you, so I'll spoilerise it as once it is seen, it can't be unseen:

95% of the shots are shot with the camera absolutely still, and the shots are long without too many short 'cuts'. This cuts down on the bitrate needed as they only have to encode the 'changes' from frame to frame. That's why it looks so good, it's not being compressed as much as other streams. Where there is a moving shot it's almost like they've been 'saving up' the data to make an impact and it still streams in HD, as the way Netflix streams it downloads ahead of itself.

But you really don't notice it. I've not seen House of Cards, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that they'll use the same method to be able to stream it in 4K. Although they will of course use some compression, the real skill is in planning the camera work.

All good news for getting stuff to stream in 4K!
I've noticed Samsara has recently been added to Netflix, pretty sure that was filmed in 70mm 4k and that looked stunning on Blu Ray. Be interesting to see how it looks on Netflix

anonymous-user

56 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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the best no fing skyler...

folos

900 posts

144 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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RogerVulva said:
Really liking this so far. Ep3 was a bit predictable and I actually think some of the acting wasn't quite as brilliant as it could be, Mostly from the other lawyer bird.
My thoughts exactly, she's pretty robotic. Other than that I enjoyed it.

Miguel Alvarez

4,944 posts

172 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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Yazar said:
I have come across your previous work biggrin

Lol. Quality.

Richyboy

3,741 posts

219 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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Amazing show. That spinal tap dude is truly a great actor.

Yazar

1,476 posts

122 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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Miguel Alvarez said:
Yazar said:
I have come across your previous work biggrin

Lol. Quality.
Worth browsing the reddit forum on either BB or BCS from time to time, lots of crazy posts on there from hardcore internet dwellers, they even tracked down the maker of the funky lights Saul highlighted in the law companies meeting table...


Way too much time on their hands laugh


ajprice

27,783 posts

198 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Just watched the 3rd smile

Running along nicely, I'd agree that it's a less dark BB, but it's early days yet and it could still find its way down the dark road, but with Jimmy/Saul and Mike, I doubt it.

Rick101

6,973 posts

152 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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Bit of a flat one this week I think.

GetCarter

29,436 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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Rick101 said:
Bit of a flat one this week I think.
Not written by Gilligan I noticed.

Digitalize

2,850 posts

137 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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Gave us more insight in to Saul though. Or Jimmy.