Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
Discussion
generationx said:
Well, that's changed my view of it from indifference to hatred for the writer and director. The Last Jedi Re Edit, Full 1st Trailer: https://youtu.be/9d8_-6pCgpM
Much as episodes I & II were improved years ago by fan re edits (I.II The Phantom Edit and II.I Attack of the Phantom), Ivan Ortega has been busy re editing TLJ, removing the bad comedy, unnecessary exposition, etc etc in an effort to turn it into something recognisable as a Star Wars film. He's even managed to turn around the scene where Luke tries to kill Ben Solo into one that actually fits the character of Luke: https://youtu.be/tgTKfDXqVCY
All credit to Ivan Ortega, to have rewatched TLJ over and over again in order to do this, he clearly has a stronger constitution than I do.
Much as episodes I & II were improved years ago by fan re edits (I.II The Phantom Edit and II.I Attack of the Phantom), Ivan Ortega has been busy re editing TLJ, removing the bad comedy, unnecessary exposition, etc etc in an effort to turn it into something recognisable as a Star Wars film. He's even managed to turn around the scene where Luke tries to kill Ben Solo into one that actually fits the character of Luke: https://youtu.be/tgTKfDXqVCY
All credit to Ivan Ortega, to have rewatched TLJ over and over again in order to do this, he clearly has a stronger constitution than I do.
jagnet said:
The Last Jedi Re Edit, Full 1st Trailer:
All credit to Ivan Ortega, to have rewatched TLJ over and over again in order to do this, he clearly has a stronger constitution than I do.
I preferred his "teaser" version of the trailer TBH, even though this is also good. Just watching so many positive "fan reactions" shows, to me at least, that while Lucasfilm are seemingly doing all they can to destroy the franchise, there will be a core of fans who still be there to the very bitter end.All credit to Ivan Ortega, to have rewatched TLJ over and over again in order to do this, he clearly has a stronger constitution than I do.
Teaser version - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrRFXMI4N1s
IanH755 said:
jagnet said:
The Last Jedi Re Edit, Full 1st Trailer:
All credit to Ivan Ortega, to have rewatched TLJ over and over again in order to do this, he clearly has a stronger constitution than I do.
I preferred his "teaser" version of the trailer TBH, even though this is also good. Just watching so many positive "fan reactions" shows, to me at least, that while Lucasfilm are seemingly doing all they can to destroy the franchise, there will be a core of fans who still be there to the very bitter end.All credit to Ivan Ortega, to have rewatched TLJ over and over again in order to do this, he clearly has a stronger constitution than I do.
Teaser version - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrRFXMI4N1s
I really like the way he's reversed the handing over of the saber scene at the beginning of the teaser trailer https://youtu.be/2aIxYInj0uo
IanH755 said:
while Lucasfilm are seemingly doing all they can to destroy the franchise, there will be a core of fans who still be there to the very bitter end.
I think it's rather sad that a multi billion pound studio with the almost limitless resources of Hollywood at their disposal can't deliver a decent Star Wars movie when some guy in his bedroom seems to be able to.
The problem is they still don't properly understand the franchise, don't try to be clever, don't try to introduce new age socio-political posturing, jokes, role reversals, "twists", subvert characters i.e. destroy Luke. We've literally been waiting decades for this, just give the fans what they f
king want, a well written Star Wars film that continues and then passes on gracefully the characters that we know and love. Rey, Finn, Poe etc are actually decent characters, they just needed a proper hand-over story to carry on the franchise, it's a shame they got lumbered with this turd which basically sts on the OT characters and mythology from a great height.
The problem is they still don't properly understand the franchise, don't try to be clever, don't try to introduce new age socio-political posturing, jokes, role reversals, "twists", subvert characters i.e. destroy Luke. We've literally been waiting decades for this, just give the fans what they f
king want, a well written Star Wars film that continues and then passes on gracefully the characters that we know and love. Rey, Finn, Poe etc are actually decent characters, they just needed a proper hand-over story to carry on the franchise, it's a shame they got lumbered with this turd which basically sts on the OT characters and mythology from a great height.
To me those re-cuts were interesting but ultimately made for a dull and predictable story, though overall not a great film I enjoyed the twists and new takes on old characters, to me it was adding depth and complexity.
However I appreciate that in a way Star Wars is cinematic comfort food, if you visit your mum for bangers and mash you want the classic from your childhood, not Quorn sausages and mashed cauliflower.
However I appreciate that in a way Star Wars is cinematic comfort food, if you visit your mum for bangers and mash you want the classic from your childhood, not Quorn sausages and mashed cauliflower.
Venturist said:
To me those re-cuts were interesting but ultimately made for a dull and predictable story,
Which the vast majority of fans wanted, would have made later films also make Billions and left Lucasfilm (LF) in a positive position rather than the mess they're currently in.Venturist said:
though overall not a great film I enjoyed the twists and new takes on old characters, to me it was adding depth and complexity.
Yet the majority of the fans don't like it and the backlash it created caused LF to have their first Flop in 40+ years and has left Ep9 in a no win situation. So while there will always be people who think differently about a film, making a film which appears to be deliberately antagonistic to the fans, who've been with the franchise since the start, just doesn't seem to make good business sense to me.
It doesn't have to be formulaic though, surely writers who are paid to do this stuff for a living could have worked out a way to add a few unexpected twists and turns without crapping over everything that has gone before, the two aren't mutually exclusive. They also had the other Star Wars films outside of the main story to be a bit more adventurous if they wanted to. Burn it, all of it is the overriding moto throughout the film, Kilo Ren says it repeatedly to ram down our throats that this isn't the Star Wars you know and love. Is that really the best direction to have chosen with one of the biggest franchises in cinema history with a 40 year legacy?
They could have easily done a transition trilogy, 3 movies to gracefully usher out the old characters with some dignity and respect while introducing the new, instead they've gone for the very bizarre option of tearing it all down to start it from scratch, why even bother buying the franchise at all then?
They could have easily done a transition trilogy, 3 movies to gracefully usher out the old characters with some dignity and respect while introducing the new, instead they've gone for the very bizarre option of tearing it all down to start it from scratch, why even bother buying the franchise at all then?
Guvernator said:
It doesn't have to be formulaic though, surely writers who are paid to do this stuff for a living could have worked out a way to add a few unexpected twists and turns without crapping over everything that has gone before, the two aren't mutually exclusive. They also had the other Star Wars films outside of the main story to be a bit more adventurous if they wanted to. Burn it, all of it is the overriding moto throughout the film, Kilo Ren says it repeatedly to ram down our throats that this isn't the Star Wars you know and love. Is that really the best direction to have chosen with one of the biggest franchises in cinema history with a 40 year legacy?
They could have easily done a transition trilogy, 3 movies to gracefully usher out the old characters with some dignity and respect while introducing the new, instead they've gone for the very bizarre option of tearing it all down to start it from scratch, why even bother buying the franchise at all then?
IMO the 'outside' films seem to be for the old fans and the 'new' ones are for the kidsThey could have easily done a transition trilogy, 3 movies to gracefully usher out the old characters with some dignity and respect while introducing the new, instead they've gone for the very bizarre option of tearing it all down to start it from scratch, why even bother buying the franchise at all then?
I still can't really understand how Disney have managed to take the biggest franchise in the history of cinema and turn into such a turd.
When Disney bought the rights to it, I was actually very optimistic. Disney and Lucas had done great things with the Star Wars elements at their theme parks and the annual Star Wars weekends at Disney were amazing (they stopped doing those in 2013 I think, I went in 2012). So I really thought they understand what it was they were buying. But they've managed to completely ruin it through some very stupid decisions. Different writers for each film in the trilogy, one writer completely ignoring all that the previous writer had set up and being desperate to throw the old stuff away as quickly as possible and not even writing a good story in the process.
It's a disaster and I still can't understand how they've managed to cause it so badly or so quickly.
When Disney bought the rights to it, I was actually very optimistic. Disney and Lucas had done great things with the Star Wars elements at their theme parks and the annual Star Wars weekends at Disney were amazing (they stopped doing those in 2013 I think, I went in 2012). So I really thought they understand what it was they were buying. But they've managed to completely ruin it through some very stupid decisions. Different writers for each film in the trilogy, one writer completely ignoring all that the previous writer had set up and being desperate to throw the old stuff away as quickly as possible and not even writing a good story in the process.
It's a disaster and I still can't understand how they've managed to cause it so badly or so quickly.
I think the main reason is that the money men were thinking of how much money they were going to make before they'd even signed on the dotted line. So busy making plans for world domination that they forgot to put put someone in charge who actually understood the franchise. Kathleen Kennedy is probably the worst thing they could have done to it, she isn't even a fan for FFS, give it to someone who actually likes and cares about it's legacy, not someone who describes Star Wars fan as "white middle aged dinosaurs who hate women".
She had her own agenda from the start and it certainly wasn't to give Star Wars fans the films they actually wanted.
Rian Johnson is a hack, he reminds me of the those hen pecked men who just go along with whatever their missus tells them to think.
She had her own agenda from the start and it certainly wasn't to give Star Wars fans the films they actually wanted.
Rian Johnson is a hack, he reminds me of the those hen pecked men who just go along with whatever their missus tells them to think.
This guy has made a few interesting videos on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo1bmdhnhLKvLAQWX...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo1bmdhnhLKvLAQWX...
It's all become clear. Disney is plotting to ruin one of its biggest properties using political correctness and misandry to alienate all the loyal fans. Oh hang on....
What did fans actually want, a film about the old gang living in peacetime? Bit lacking in dramatic potential isn't it. I'm pleased that for the first time since Return of the Jedi I have absolutely no idea where they're going and how they're planning to resolve this.
What did fans actually want, a film about the old gang living in peacetime? Bit lacking in dramatic potential isn't it. I'm pleased that for the first time since Return of the Jedi I have absolutely no idea where they're going and how they're planning to resolve this.
warch said:
It's all become clear. Disney is plotting to ruin one of its biggest properties using political correctness and misandry to alienate all the loyal fans. Oh hang on....
No plotting; rank incompetence managed that all by itself, plus of course no sense of self awareness when attacking fans for criticising the film.warch said:
What did fans actually want, a film about the old gang living in peacetime?
No, although that would've been better than what we did get.warch said:
I have absolutely no idea where they're going and how they're planning to resolve this.
Coincidentally, they've had no idea where they're going with this trilogy either. And that's not a joke.I'm never sure what people wanted. I would be interested to see how many people like me did like this film. And the previous film. And Rogue One which is my favourite. I missed Solo but I'm waiting for my local Tesco to restock so I can get it.
Imo Disney simply aren't in the business of making bad films.
Imo Disney simply aren't in the business of making bad films.
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