Automotive Vloggers (Vol. 5)
Discussion
james6546 said:
I never understand why he doesn’t make enough money to do it full time, he gets loads of views
I think it's just the nature and scale of his adventures, and the way he edits them, doesn't lend itself to regular uploads. So despite getting loads of views per video, the sporadic nature of his posting means he doesn't get the same income as someone posting more often with the same views overall.He seems to spend weeks/months planning and executing an adventure, then edits it in big chunks afterwards, or sometimes in the middle if it's a long enough trip, but can't seem to do the shorter, more regular, uploads that some other adventure channels manage. Perhaps if he uploaded smaller but more frequent videos then he'd be better off. I enjoy the hour-long epics, but it can't be good for his income when he only does one video every six months.
thegreenhell said:
james6546 said:
I never understand why he doesn’t make enough money to do it full time, he gets loads of views
I think it's just the nature and scale of his adventures, and the way he edits them, doesn't lend itself to regular uploads. So despite getting loads of views per video, the sporadic nature of his posting means he doesn't get the same income as someone posting more often with the same views overall.He seems to spend weeks/months planning and executing an adventure, then edits it in big chunks afterwards, or sometimes in the middle if it's a long enough trip, but can't seem to do the shorter, more regular, uploads that some other adventure channels manage. Perhaps if he uploaded smaller but more frequent videos then he'd be better off. I enjoy the hour-long epics, but it can't be good for his income when he only does one video every six months.
thegreenhell said:
james6546 said:
I never understand why he doesn’t make enough money to do it full time, he gets loads of views
I think it's just the nature and scale of his adventures, and the way he edits them, doesn't lend itself to regular uploads. So despite getting loads of views per video, the sporadic nature of his posting means he doesn't get the same income as someone posting more often with the same views overall.He seems to spend weeks/months planning and executing an adventure, then edits it in big chunks afterwards, or sometimes in the middle if it's a long enough trip, but can't seem to do the shorter, more regular, uploads that some other adventure channels manage. Perhaps if he uploaded smaller but more frequent videos then he'd be better off. I enjoy the hour-long epics, but it can't be good for his income when he only does one video every six months.
From the community post on YT looks like Willy has had some serious upgrades with 4WD and 4x the power! Look forward to the series.
Pincher said:
614-HSO said:
In seven years!
from Zero.
to Hero car.
Good Lord! That second video gave me nausea - why does she shake and wave the camera around so much? It's like Stradman on speed.from Zero.
to Hero car.
I'm never a fan of "reveal videos" check out my new wheels etc doesn't take a ten minute build up, do other stuff and show them to us. I know that she does other stuff but I find them dull.
LARK F1 GTR said:
She's one that I will watch occasionally but I always find that the videos are too long for whatever they're about. If it's a twenty minute one only five of it will have decent content.
I'm never a fan of "reveal videos" check out my new wheels etc doesn't take a ten minute build up, do other stuff and show them to us. I know that she does other stuff but I find them dull.
It takes a special kind of dedication to watch a video of someone walking you around their generic, pristine new supercar. What do they talk about, besides "ooh, look at this"?I'm never a fan of "reveal videos" check out my new wheels etc doesn't take a ten minute build up, do other stuff and show them to us. I know that she does other stuff but I find them dull.
Dave200 said:
LARK F1 GTR said:
She's one that I will watch occasionally but I always find that the videos are too long for whatever they're about. If it's a twenty minute one only five of it will have decent content.
I'm never a fan of "reveal videos" check out my new wheels etc doesn't take a ten minute build up, do other stuff and show them to us. I know that she does other stuff but I find them dull.
It takes a special kind of dedication to watch a video of someone walking you around their generic, pristine new supercar. What do they talk about, besides "ooh, look at this"?I'm never a fan of "reveal videos" check out my new wheels etc doesn't take a ten minute build up, do other stuff and show them to us. I know that she does other stuff but I find them dull.
I have listened to her a few times on various podcasts and find her much more interesting than in the videos.
Just listened to the latest autoalex podcast where they covered shedfest and the below post from Fridaypassion really makes sense. They are out of their dept and moving too fast, feels like they are missing a few people on their team with experience to manage the business side of things.
Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
fridaypassion said:
You do get the impression with this Alex chap that he's in a big rush to take the world over. Setting up on his own and then setting up this production house arrangement with other creators then a show on top of it. All with no experience of running a business. These guys need to chill out and just make sure you're doing one bit properly first then move onto the next thing. Having the ability to do YouTube doesn't necessarily translate into being good at business outside YouTube.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
acer12 said:
Just listened to the latest autoalex podcast where they covered shedfest and the below post from Fridaypassion really makes sense. They are out of their dept and moving too fast, feels like they are missing a few people on their team with experience to manage the business side of things.
Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
Those two things don't surprise me at all. Narcissists will narcissise. Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
fridaypassion said:
You do get the impression with this Alex chap that he's in a big rush to take the world over. Setting up on his own and then setting up this production house arrangement with other creators then a show on top of it. All with no experience of running a business. These guys need to chill out and just make sure you're doing one bit properly first then move onto the next thing. Having the ability to do YouTube doesn't necessarily translate into being good at business outside YouTube.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
Rusty Old-Banger said:
acer12 said:
Just listened to the latest autoalex podcast where they covered shedfest and the below post from Fridaypassion really makes sense. They are out of their dept and moving too fast, feels like they are missing a few people on their team with experience to manage the business side of things.
Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
Those two things don't surprise me at all. Narcissists will narcissise. Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
fridaypassion said:
You do get the impression with this Alex chap that he's in a big rush to take the world over. Setting up on his own and then setting up this production house arrangement with other creators then a show on top of it. All with no experience of running a business. These guys need to chill out and just make sure you're doing one bit properly first then move onto the next thing. Having the ability to do YouTube doesn't necessarily translate into being good at business outside YouTube.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
PT1984 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
acer12 said:
Just listened to the latest autoalex podcast where they covered shedfest and the below post from Fridaypassion really makes sense. They are out of their dept and moving too fast, feels like they are missing a few people on their team with experience to manage the business side of things.
Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
Those two things don't surprise me at all. Narcissists will narcissise. Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
fridaypassion said:
You do get the impression with this Alex chap that he's in a big rush to take the world over. Setting up on his own and then setting up this production house arrangement with other creators then a show on top of it. All with no experience of running a business. These guys need to chill out and just make sure you're doing one bit properly first then move onto the next thing. Having the ability to do YouTube doesn't necessarily translate into being good at business outside YouTube.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
I've been listening to the podcast (albeit a few episodes behind) on my morning commute and it's been generally good so far but after the issues I've seen at shedfest I'm getting a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth, starting to feel as though inexperience is setting in and there's been a few little things here and there (underpaying for the kei car, shedfest organisation/accountability etc) which have come to light.
The channel(s) are steamrolling in terms of views and subscribers but I have a very small feeling that there's going to be either an accident, incident or serious error one day that will have a serious effect on the reputation, purely on the basis of biting off more than they can chew.
It might be a bit of a reality check long-term but I definitely feel as though they need to slow down the pace a little bit and put more time/consideration into the content.
The channel(s) are steamrolling in terms of views and subscribers but I have a very small feeling that there's going to be either an accident, incident or serious error one day that will have a serious effect on the reputation, purely on the basis of biting off more than they can chew.
It might be a bit of a reality check long-term but I definitely feel as though they need to slow down the pace a little bit and put more time/consideration into the content.
acer12 said:
Just listened to the latest autoalex podcast where they covered shedfest and the below post from Fridaypassion really makes sense. They are out of their dept and moving too fast, feels like they are missing a few people on their team with experience to manage the business side of things.
Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
I haven't listened to the podcast but on the first point, is that Ciro/Petrolhedomism they're blaming? I believe they're the organiser from what I saw on socials and they're the ones who are issuing refunds.Two things really shocked me:
1. They completely threw the organizer under the bus and rolled out the be nice to this guy for mental health reasons lines. I really did not like this. All of them one after another absolutely blamed this one guy for it all. They are taking zero accountability for the problems. This event was their event it had their name, people came to see them, just because they outsourced the organization doesn't exonerate them of responsibility. Sounds like after they outsourced the organization they took zero interest in the logistics which is not something anyone with brains would do and left this single person to set them up for either success or failure. Madness thing to do from the beginning and when the sh!t hit the fan a very unprofessional response.
2. They are trying to give the impression that the event / their existence is some kind of community service. Alex easily forgets what he is getting out of it, someone earlier in this thread did the maths on shedfest and he was due a massive pay day but is talking about it like it was a non profit event and how great he is.
fridaypassion said:
You do get the impression with this Alex chap that he's in a big rush to take the world over. Setting up on his own and then setting up this production house arrangement with other creators then a show on top of it. All with no experience of running a business. These guys need to chill out and just make sure you're doing one bit properly first then move onto the next thing. Having the ability to do YouTube doesn't necessarily translate into being good at business outside YouTube.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
Unfortunately what happens is that you just make a hash of everything by spreading yourself too thinly and in the case of this show it ends up hurting your brand. Looks to be a bit of a Fyre festival scenario where they just expected the thing to happen without meticulously planning for it. There's widespread demands for refunds. It could wipe him out the from this.
In fairness to Ciro he's not exactly inexperienced in running events, Shedfest does appear to have been a bit of a shambles, if I hired an event organiser to run the whole thing and this was the outcome I'd be pretty upset especially as they *should* be able to handle it based on previous performance, but it's not massively professional to play the blame game. Ciro's post on the day and day after appears to have been much more balanced, taking responsibility whilst also highlighting the initial failings outside of their control.
Quite enjoyed TDC's latest video with the 911, it was a bit of a cost summary along with sorting the exhaust and interior/weight reduction. I know companies have donated parts to them in turn for a shout out, wonder how much cheaper this must be giving out £900 worth of brakes compared to an ad in magazine?
Dave200 said:
LARK F1 GTR said:
She's one that I will watch occasionally but I always find that the videos are too long for whatever they're about. If it's a twenty minute one only five of it will have decent content.
I'm never a fan of "reveal videos" check out my new wheels etc doesn't take a ten minute build up, do other stuff and show them to us. I know that she does other stuff but I find them dull.
It takes a special kind of dedication to watch a video of someone walking you around their generic, pristine new supercar. What do they talk about, besides "ooh, look at this"?I'm never a fan of "reveal videos" check out my new wheels etc doesn't take a ten minute build up, do other stuff and show them to us. I know that she does other stuff but I find them dull.
LARK F1 GTR said:
Dave200 said:
LARK F1 GTR said:
She's one that I will watch occasionally but I always find that the videos are too long for whatever they're about. If it's a twenty minute one only five of it will have decent content.
I'm never a fan of "reveal videos" check out my new wheels etc doesn't take a ten minute build up, do other stuff and show them to us. I know that she does other stuff but I find them dull.
It takes a special kind of dedication to watch a video of someone walking you around their generic, pristine new supercar. What do they talk about, besides "ooh, look at this"?I'm never a fan of "reveal videos" check out my new wheels etc doesn't take a ten minute build up, do other stuff and show them to us. I know that she does other stuff but I find them dull.
I don't think the video of the Lamborghini collection was anything like the "ooh look at this" like many others do on video, not when you have been watching her videos for many years (like I have) which is why I posted her first video, real from nothing to getting her dream car.
The second half of the video before the Lamborghini collection video is worth watching for a bit more context.
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