Harry's Garage - YouTube

[ChocolateFrog]

waynecyclist said:

Shocked at how bad the Jaguar is underneath, however love the colour choice.

Will look stunning when finished

Me too. The bill to pay someone to fix all that will be eye watering.

It looked properly rotten.

[craigjm]

I’ve said many times about my XJC that they hide issues really well. Many people who think they have a good car actually don’t. Once you get the paint off you are always in for some kind of surprise. Harry’s car looked better than mine from the videos etc but now it’s bare metal it is actually worse than mine was

[mbwoy84]

F20CN16 said:

How much does a restoration like this cost? I appreciate the estimate would be wide. £50k?

I think in the first video where he dropped it off he was given a ballpark estimate of around £15k, but that would have snowballed vastly since then with what has been uncovered since and I would say at least double that, probably more.

[RSTurboPaul]

The state of some of those hidden areas!

It's a wonder the stresses of cornering don't make old cars in this condition just fold in half! lol


Love that colour, though, should be really classy

[craigjm]

mbwoy84 said:

F20CN16 said:

How much does a restoration like this cost? I appreciate the estimate would be wide. £50k?

I think in the first video where he dropped it off he was given a ballpark estimate of around £15k, but that would have snowballed vastly since then with what has been uncovered since and I would say at least double that, probably more.

My bare metal bodywork restoration with them, and it wasn’t as bad as this one. Has come up at about 40k just for bodywork and paint.

[mbwoy84]

craigjm said:

My bare metal bodywork restoration with them, and it wasn’t as bad as this one. Has come up at about 40k just for bodywork and paint.

Having been in the same business for many years now, I can well believe it!

[Muzzer79]

Great film again - really fascinating to see how these projects are done.

I have to be honest and say the jury is out on the colour for me. It will depend on wheels and trim spec in my mind.

However, I'm not a 'green' fan and will fully acknowledge that it's not my car so my opinion matters not a jot

[anonymous-user]

craigjm said:

mbwoy84 said:

F20CN16 said:

How much does a restoration like this cost? I appreciate the estimate would be wide. £50k?

I think in the first video where he dropped it off he was given a ballpark estimate of around £15k, but that would have snowballed vastly since then with what has been uncovered since and I would say at least double that, probably more.

My bare metal bodywork restoration with them, and it wasn’t as bad as this one. Has come up at about 40k just for bodywork and paint.

Quite close to my finger in the air then! Having just had £800 worth of paint on one of my cars, with only mild surface rust to deal with, I can see how the cost rapidly mounts up where welding is introduced.

[AJLintern]

I suppose the thing is, they don't really sell new cars like this any more. If they did, you'd probably be paying a lot more than what this restoration will cost. And it'll be tax/MOT etc exempt too

[thegreenhell]

AJLintern said:

I suppose the thing is, they don't really sell new cars like this any more. If they did, you'd probably be paying a lot more than what this restoration will cost. And it'll be tax/MOT etc exempt too

It's worth the money to make it as-new for less than the price of a 4 cylinder F Type. What can you even buy new with a V12 and manual gearbox these days?

[anonymous-user]

thegreenhell said:

AJLintern said:

I suppose the thing is, they don't really sell new cars like this any more. If they did, you'd probably be paying a lot more than what this restoration will cost. And it'll be tax/MOT etc exempt too

It's worth the money to make it as-new for less than the price of a 4 cylinder F Type. What can you even buy new with a V12 and manual gearbox these days?

Absolutely agree. I was not suggesting it was too much to save the car! Just idle curiosity over the cost.

[RobXjcoupe]

Pistom said:

RobXjcoupe said:

Considering there was zero cavity rust prevention when originally built, it’s amazing any car from that era is still around.
Not sure the epoxy primer prior to welding is a good idea, I may be wrong but i didn’t think it was a weld through primer?

Agreed. Epoxy primers are great when there isn't an edge to start rusting at but will burn off as soon as welded.

I would have thought a cavity wax after welding and painting would have done more. I guess they can do both but I can't see the epoxy doing much good.

There are specific weld through primers and once welded into place a good cavity wax can be used. The epoxy primer is perfect after freshly blasting the exterior panels to stop the instant oxidation process of clean steel. Not convinced to use it prior to welding on new panels though.

[Dashnine]

The state of the chassis and bodywork made me shiver at the thought of may have happened in an accident. I get the impression it would have just folded up, if it were my car that would be causing me a few sleepless nights. Pretty similar situation with the Lancia too.

[craigjm]

Dashnine said:

The state of the chassis and bodywork made me shiver at the thought of may have happened in an accident. I get the impression it would have just folded up, if it were my car that would be causing me a few sleepless nights. Pretty similar situation with the Lancia too.

A 70s car would just fold anyway. Check this out from 3m 30s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4_UDyT1wnA

[Doofus]

craigjm said:

A 70s car would just fold anyway. Check this out from 3m 30s

It's only 3m 32s long!

[Pistom]

I think it's great that there's someone so committed to preserving these cars that they value the restoration of these cars more than what else that money would buy.

The amount of rot in that car wouldn't have been unknown at 5 years old in its day and it would have just got scrapped.

[DonkeyApple]

craigjm said:

mbwoy84 said:

F20CN16 said:

How much does a restoration like this cost? I appreciate the estimate would be wide. £50k?

I think in the first video where he dropped it off he was given a ballpark estimate of around £15k, but that would have snowballed vastly since then with what has been uncovered since and I would say at least double that, probably more.

My bare metal bodywork restoration with them, and it wasn’t as bad as this one. Has come up at about 40k just for bodywork and paint.

A couple of years ago someone on PH noted that my old Daimler was coming up for auction. It had been in the family since new in 1974 and had been garaged all its life and had only managed 24k miles by the time my grandfather gave it to me in the late 90s.

I was thinking of buying it back and discussed it with my father who reminded me of the little rot holes on the wing above the lamps and proffered an opinion that under all that glorious paintwork there would be next to no metal left and that I'd be looking at over £50k to sort. I didn't have the stomach but have enjoyed watching your build.

[Caddyshack]

Wow, that is becoming quite a rebuild but the green will look fantastic and will be surely one of the best ones out there. I am glad Harry makes a good resto of the cars regardless of the final value, it’s just doing it right.

Having said that I suspect a Harry restored car will be worth a few quid.

[Dashnine]

craigjm said:

Dashnine said:

The state of the chassis and bodywork made me shiver at the thought of may have happened in an accident. I get the impression it would have just folded up, if it were my car that would be causing me a few sleepless nights. Pretty similar situation with the Lancia too.

A 70s car would just fold anyway. Check this out from 3m 30s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4_UDyT1wnA

Agreed, it would but the Jaaag would have folded at far lesser impact, of would fold far more at the same impact.

[RobXjcoupe]

Dashnine said:

craigjm said:

Dashnine said:

The state of the chassis and bodywork made me shiver at the thought of may have happened in an accident. I get the impression it would have just folded up, if it were my car that would be causing me a few sleepless nights. Pretty similar situation with the Lancia too.

A 70s car would just fold anyway. Check this out from 3m 30s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4_UDyT1wnA

Agreed, it would but the Jaaag would have folded at far lesser impact, of would fold far more at the same impact.

Modern cars from before air bag fitment were designed for frontal collapse. They would be a write off at 30mph. Even now it’s the same. But a vehicle doing 110kmh or 70mph brand new hitting a lump of concrete like in that vid would still give zero occupant survival. People forget that when surrounded by umpteen airbags.