Westworld (NO SPOILERS)

[Jonesy23]

Not convinced it was the booze or the discovery he wasn't 'real'. He was already glitching in the early runs when pouring the milk.

Plus as he'd been paying for the process to happen he much have had an idea of his situation.

I think it was just that the visits tended to be arranged around the time he started to break down after a day/week/month.

[pidsy]

Jonesy23 said:

Not convinced it was the booze or the discovery he wasn't 'real'. He was already glitching in the early runs when pouring the milk.

Plus as he'd been paying for the process to happen he much have had an idea of his situation.

I think it was just that the visits tended to be arranged around the time he started to break down after a day/week/month.

i agree - William only visited at the point that they were considering termination. he said that he'd seen him at various times up to the latest (35 days). i took it that the visit from him and the subsequent questioning was the last confirmation of this versions failure.

[gregs656]

pidsy said:

i agree - William only visited at the point that they were considering termination. he said that he'd seen him at various times up to the latest (35 days). i took it that the visit from him and the subsequent questioning was the last confirmation of this versions failure.

That doesn’t jive with the observation made when William left for the last time ‘I don’t understand, he was fine...’

[FourWheelDrift]

Remember when the other guest said to him in series 1, "your foundation not only saved my sisters life..." before being told "one more word and I''l cut your throat, this is my fking vacation". Perhaps it does partially work, was she fixed with some host technology and he just didn't want James Delos back.

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 18th May 10:50

[Flip Martian]

Best episode so far this season. The Indians thread is clearly not quite the rescue operation I thought. Or maybe it is, and they kept the plot going.

Thought the weird stuff going on - Clementine dragging Bernard to a place and leaving, the railroad builders using people as sleepers - was good and illustrated there is no emotion or logic to their actions; they're just machines doing what their instruction (corrupted in the latter case) is telling them to do.

So it looks like Ford got wind of what Delos were doing and sent Bernard down there to kill everyone in there...except he left one drone and the sealed off bit with the Delos copy going bonkers in his cell and the operator.

What Elsie said to Bernard about him being rotated out was a bit weird, given her last memory of him is him choking her out and leaving her in a cave. Unless she's had time to think and at some point he WAS rotated out and she thinks that's why his actions (ie mugging her) were so atypical...

Only caught up with the episode this morning so am rather glad I only have a few days until the next one.

[Watchman]

Didn’t Elsie know Bernard was fired over the reveries incident where Charlotte tried to use Clem to kill someone? That would be “rotating out”.

Elsie went off to look for the signal soon after.

[Flip Martian]

Watchman said:

Didn’t Elsie know Bernard was fired over the reveries incident where Charlotte tried to use Clem to kill someone? That would be “rotating out”.

Elsie went off to look for the signal soon after.

But Elsie was still trying to phone Bernard with what she found in the old theatre when she was poking about - not realising he was there already, I thought? So as far as she was concerned, he hadn't gone at that point. I forget the finer details though.

[Watchman]

Flip Martian said:

Watchman said:

Didn’t Elsie know Bernard was fired over the reveries incident where Charlotte tried to use Clem to kill someone? That would be “rotating out”.

Elsie went off to look for the signal soon after.

But Elsie was still trying to phone Bernard with what she found in the old theatre when she was poking about - not realising he was there already, I thought? So as far as she was concerned, he hadn't gone at that point. I forget the finer details though.

I think youre right that the timing between his being fired and and actually (not) leaving was subtle, and that the interaction between him and Elsie at the Mesa and her subsequently calling him needs another look. I might find the time to look over it this weekend.

[FourWheelDrift]

Elise disappeared in episode 6, Bernard was fired in episode 7.

[Watchman]

I clearly need to watch it again.

So, her "rotate out" statement... what did she mean?

[gregs656]

Watchman said:

I clearly need to watch it again.

So, her "rotate out" statement... what did she mean?

Isn't the schedule for the staff of WW similar to oil rigs and so on? I'm sure they discussed being 'rotated out' IE them going on leave and being replaced by an opposite number in S1.

[FourWheelDrift]

Watchman said:

I clearly need to watch it again.

So, her "rotate out" statement... what did she mean?

When she was checking on his ipad thingy I think she meant that he been swapped out of bodies, perhaps it logs the times. This may not be his first body that he has used, rather like the James Delos scenes we saw. Which might suggest Bernard is still Arnold inside and needs to be moved into new bodies every 30 days or so...maybe and his degradation that we are seeing is not just the damage from being shot in the head but also the degradation we saw in James Delos.

Did you notice in Ep1 when Bernard woke up on the beach, he didn't have a the scar on his right temple where he had shot himself, this scar is visible on the Charlotte/Elise Bernard we have seen

[Jonesy23]

I thought it meant something along the lines of 'how could you be a host, you were going home out of the park'?

As has been mentioned I thought it was along the lines of rig work so time on/time off, and the assumption that if he was a host he couldn't have been going out of the park.

Though unless she saw him get on the transport and go he might have just spent his holidays in a cupboard somewhere.

[trooperiziz]

Jonesy23 said:

I thought it meant something along the lines of 'how could you be a host, you were going home out of the park'?

As has been mentioned I thought it was along the lines of rig work so time on/time off, and the assumption that if he was a host he couldn't have been going out of the park.

Though unless she saw him get on the transport and go he might have just spent his holidays in a cupboard somewhere.

Exactly that, seemed pretty clear to me.

[Watchman]

Some amazing theories here. I love it. This is part of what makes watching the series as it unfolds so much fun.

Guys from work who are currently binge watching series 1 miss out on all this. I try to engage with them only with the knowledge revealed to the episode they have watched but as I've demonstrated above, I am not very good at that.

[marksx]

Jonesy23 said:

I thought it meant something along the lines of 'how could you be a host, you were going home out of the park'?

As has been mentioned I thought it was along the lines of rig work so time on/time off, and the assumption that if he was a host he couldn't have been going out of the park.

Though unless she saw him get on the transport and go he might have just spent his holidays in a cupboard somewhere.

Unless he was moving data.. 🤔

[Halb]

Watchman said:

Some amazing theories here. I love it. This is part of what makes watching the series as it unfolds so much fun.

Guys from work who are currently binge watching series 1 miss out on all this. I try to engage with them only with the knowledge revealed to the episode they have watched but as I've demonstrated above, I am not very good at that.

Exactly.
The binge watch destroys the water cooler experience and chats like this, utterly turd.

So Barnard...are there two? POssibly more Bernards? Like in Screamers or something else that I may be thinking of.

[Zetec-S]

Jonesy23 said:

Though unless she saw him get on the transport and go he might have just spent his holidays in a cupboard somewhere.

[TEKNOPUG]

I'm still struggling with the concept that no one at Delos has suggested it odd that Ford's current (upto the end of S1) assistant is exactly the same guy he partnered with 30 years ago to build the park/hosts in the first place....no records, no photos, nothing....at least no one who seems to be involved in the day to day running of the place.

[Halb]

Who would know? THe people who work around around him, beyond 5 years it wouldn't look weird, we don't know if he ages the bodies too.
Ford's the only guy who has bene there for some time.