Westworld (NO SPOILERS)
Discussion
Halb said:
just remembered...ole Ed is a tad f
ked...and where did his daughter go?
Left her horseless somewhere. She'll probably turn up and rescue him next week.ked...and where did his daughter go?Top episode though; Anthony Hopkins was better than he's ever been in this show IMO.
I'm intrigued to see what the big twist at the end of the season is, now we already have the answers to most of what were supposed to be the big twists.
The big thing is the what is behind the door in the valley where it would seem they are all going now.
With the confirmation that they are looking to create hosts of the rich and famous who could afford to live forever, if they are being created and stored behind the door I think we could see an epic battle royale like this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0INpj__GCbI
With the confirmation that they are looking to create hosts of the rich and famous who could afford to live forever, if they are being created and stored behind the door I think we could see an epic battle royale like this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0INpj__GCbI
FourWheelDrift said:
The big thing is the what is behind the door in the valley where it would seem they are all going now.
With the confirmation that they are looking to create hosts of the rich and famous who could afford to live forever, if they are being created and stored behind the door I think we could see an epic battle royale like this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0INpj__GCbI
With the confirmation that they are looking to create hosts of the rich and famous who could afford to live forever, if they are being created and stored behind the door I think we could see an epic battle royale like this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0INpj__GCbI
Ford has confirmed that it doesn't work - Delos having fallen to pieces as he did, and he would have chosen to not be a voice in Bernard's head if he could - so they've either got hosts with personalities constructed from guest memories (as with Bernard) or another computer where copied personalities are being stored in Cinemascope.
Or it could be something completely different.
I feel like all the time line shenanigans has made the show lose any sense of engagement or feeling of jeopardy for the characters.
When something dramatic happens to someone, my first thought is never excitement or empathy, it's always "is this new information for them, or for me? How does it impact what I have seen already?"
Rather than being taken on a journey with the characters and feeling part of the story, I always feel like I'm watching vignettes and trying to piece them together, which is fun to do but never feels like anything more than a puzzle to be solved.
I kinda liken it to watching a dvd with the directors commentary on. Its interesting to do but stops you watching the film as a movie, its now about the film itself rather than about the story.
When something dramatic happens to someone, my first thought is never excitement or empathy, it's always "is this new information for them, or for me? How does it impact what I have seen already?"
Rather than being taken on a journey with the characters and feeling part of the story, I always feel like I'm watching vignettes and trying to piece them together, which is fun to do but never feels like anything more than a puzzle to be solved.
I kinda liken it to watching a dvd with the directors commentary on. Its interesting to do but stops you watching the film as a movie, its now about the film itself rather than about the story.
I really enjoyed this weeks episode and enjoyed looking out for things like the aspect ratio to differentiate scenes and storylines. Although I have a feeling the episode in normal aspect was just us seeing a simulation being fed to Bernard by Elsie to find out the key that will fix everything OR her realising he is remembering stuff and this is her way of guiding them to getting the answers they need.
However, thinking about the whole 're-create' the human, making them immortal/resurrecting them... I can't remember the exact term used. They said it was a little project, well the project and the park was to learn about people etc... which is what got them their investments.
If we assume the Valley Beyond is the computer storage facility or lab where they are storing guest data and putting it into control units. Could we also assume that the guests at the party at the end of Season 1 were all those who had been copied and then killed - same as Ford. So all the guests get murdered and replaced by hosts and nobody is supposed to be none the wiser, except it all went wrong because the hosts got 'woke'.
Another theory I had was that there is a second cradle or virtual world where these 'copied people' were alive. We know they've succeeded in downloading consciousness but putting them into bodies and into the real world didn't work. So in this other facility their thoughts/memories/consciousness has been transferred to those brain orbs but instead of being put in physical hosts they're living out their lives in a second cradle which would be totally fine because at the end of the day Delos Corp got their money. - Big holes in that one but I do think that Delos is an evil corporation.
Also, can't quite understand how Ford expects to live in Bernards head when he said himself he will degrade over time just like Delos did.
Also had to deal with my wife telling me she liked Angela's boobs and she wishes hers looked like them. Wasn't sure how to respond so just stayed quiet! haha
However, thinking about the whole 're-create' the human, making them immortal/resurrecting them... I can't remember the exact term used. They said it was a little project, well the project and the park was to learn about people etc... which is what got them their investments.
If we assume the Valley Beyond is the computer storage facility or lab where they are storing guest data and putting it into control units. Could we also assume that the guests at the party at the end of Season 1 were all those who had been copied and then killed - same as Ford. So all the guests get murdered and replaced by hosts and nobody is supposed to be none the wiser, except it all went wrong because the hosts got 'woke'.
Another theory I had was that there is a second cradle or virtual world where these 'copied people' were alive. We know they've succeeded in downloading consciousness but putting them into bodies and into the real world didn't work. So in this other facility their thoughts/memories/consciousness has been transferred to those brain orbs but instead of being put in physical hosts they're living out their lives in a second cradle which would be totally fine because at the end of the day Delos Corp got their money. - Big holes in that one but I do think that Delos is an evil corporation.
Also, can't quite understand how Ford expects to live in Bernards head when he said himself he will degrade over time just like Delos did.
Also had to deal with my wife telling me she liked Angela's boobs and she wishes hers looked like them. Wasn't sure how to respond so just stayed quiet! haha
Edited by ashleyman on Tuesday 5th June 01:30
davepoth said:
I'm intrigued to see what the big twist at the end of the season is, now we already have the answers to most of what were supposed to be the big twists.
In an interview last year Nolan and/or Joy said that they were going to mess with the Reddit lot who had worked out all the twists in S1. I think a lot of the "answers" that we have been given so far are misdirection. I am betting the Valley of the Beyond / The Door etc there is more to it than the failed attempt to be immortal.
Ford was saying his plan was make Dolores free, but that was never his goal originally. That's what Arnold wanted. Delos plan was for the immortality so I don't think its been revealed what Ford's master plan is.
ashleyman said:
Also had to deal with my wife telling me she liked Angela's boobs and she wishes hers looked like them. Wasn't sure how to respond so just stayed quiet! haha
Ohhh....dear. You failed the husband test. The correct response to comments like this is ALWAYS "I think yours are perfect and I wouldn't want you to change".Even if you don't really mean it.
Flip Martian said:
Yeah the timelines have really confused me now. I'm guessing the scene with "smug midget company woman" questioning Bernard is the latest timeline but I'm starting to look forward to an explanation of everything at the end... Good episode though; more action.
I took that scene as in the future, but before the part where they find all the bodies in the lake. I'm still treating the DElores storming the control building as the main time line (in my head at least!)
5678 said:
I'm still treating the DElores storming the control building as the main time line (in my head at least!)
I'm not so sure. When Hale was questioning Bernard early in the episode, didn't they refer to Delores leading the revolution in the past tense? Can't remember the exact words now. This site has a good visual layout of the timeline and key events.
http://www.thisisinsider.com/westworld-timeline-sp...
http://www.thisisinsider.com/westworld-timeline-sp...
Flip Martian said:
I did find it rather odd that the special forces leader with the bad Irish accent managed to hold his own against Teddy for longer than you'd think likely, given Teddy's far superior strength (and the fact he's dialled up to 11).
What, all of 10 seconds instead of 3?probably jacked up on test, hgh, and whatever else they have, in whatever time this is.
his accent did make me break the fourth wall.
I'm curious as to Ed...he's past his prime yet can roll around with the best after multiple hits...and now he is shot plenty times.
Earlier some soft get ruined his holiday be saying 'he (Ed) saved his wife' or something?
Delos are clearly a top end company. Has Ed been upgraded? SUperior muscles, organs, replacements?
Delores reminded me of Vader this week
his accent did make me break the fourth wall.
I'm curious as to Ed...he's past his prime yet can roll around with the best after multiple hits...and now he is shot plenty times.
Earlier some soft get ruined his holiday be saying 'he (Ed) saved his wife' or something?
Delos are clearly a top end company. Has Ed been upgraded? SUperior muscles, organs, replacements?
Delores reminded me of Vader this week
dieselgrunt said:
Have to be the most inept special forces teams ever. Whenever they go in they get taken out with ease.
Their 'tactics' remind me a lot of the marines in the Starship Troopers movie. So many of them too ... where are they getting all these people from to use as cannon fodder? And no air support or even drones?My guess is that many of them - the grunts at least - are actually hosts, developed separately from the ones in the park so they aren't susceptible to the 'virus' or whatever is spreading amongst the park hosts.
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