Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix
Discussion
I'm not sold, and really quite disappointed.
Three episodes in.. this isn't Star Trek. Sure it uses the name and there are familiar terms.. but this is some far out there sci-fi, and most certainly a reboot. I cannot place it in the same universe we know.
If it was another sci-fi show I think I'd be enjoying it. But they've called it Star Trek and I'm having a hard time accepting that!
Three episodes in.. this isn't Star Trek. Sure it uses the name and there are familiar terms.. but this is some far out there sci-fi, and most certainly a reboot. I cannot place it in the same universe we know.
If it was another sci-fi show I think I'd be enjoying it. But they've called it Star Trek and I'm having a hard time accepting that!
I think this is great and I am an enormous Star Trek fan. I like the more serious approach of the new series and I could not abide the childish brain-out approach of the new films. As someone mentioned earlier though, we need some likeable characters. They are all a bit annoying at the moment, but I am sure we will see some character development.
I see Michael Burnham as the character that Tom Paris or Ro Laren should have been. Tom in particular was a bit of a wet fish and didn't live up to his supposed reputation. Ro was good, but we didn't see enough of her.
I understand why people are making the Klingon/Trump link as the war has been caused by the Klingons taking a stance against integration. Building walls in other words.
I don't see this as an issue at all as Star Trek has often leaned on current day politics for inspiration. The cold war and racial segregation in the original series. The first episode of Voyager allowed for the redemption of Marquis terrorists and in the first episode of DS9 the Bajorans had beaten the Cardassians by acts of terrorism. The theme of one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter was a strong theme throughout DS9. I doubt they will go down that route again in today's climate.
With regards to too much PC, remember those two scenes in the first episode of The Next Generation where male officers wore the women's uniform? And is that a black guy with a disability I see peaking over Troi's shoulder?
I see Michael Burnham as the character that Tom Paris or Ro Laren should have been. Tom in particular was a bit of a wet fish and didn't live up to his supposed reputation. Ro was good, but we didn't see enough of her.
I understand why people are making the Klingon/Trump link as the war has been caused by the Klingons taking a stance against integration. Building walls in other words.
I don't see this as an issue at all as Star Trek has often leaned on current day politics for inspiration. The cold war and racial segregation in the original series. The first episode of Voyager allowed for the redemption of Marquis terrorists and in the first episode of DS9 the Bajorans had beaten the Cardassians by acts of terrorism. The theme of one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter was a strong theme throughout DS9. I doubt they will go down that route again in today's climate.
With regards to too much PC, remember those two scenes in the first episode of The Next Generation where male officers wore the women's uniform? And is that a black guy with a disability I see peaking over Troi's shoulder?
Breadvan72 said:
Fab facts: one Captain has a bottle of Chateau Picard in her room. The other Captain has a tribble in his room.
Excellent. Didn't notice the Chateau Picard.Edited by AlexC1981 on Monday 2nd October 21:54
I was a little disappointed by how the Discovery looked. Not so much with the design as it definitely looks better on screen than it did the the teaser pics, but the computer generated effects don't look anywhere near real when compared to the real models that were filmed for TNG.
sparks_E39 said:
Three episodes in.. this isn't Star Trek. Sure it uses the name and there are familiar terms.. but this is some far out there sci-fi, and most certainly a reboot. I cannot place it in the same universe we know.
I have a lot of sympathy with this view. I hate it when things are not consistent, but there was a massive change between the original series and The Next Generation, so this isn't unprecedented. With regards to equipment looking so much more futuristic, they could have gone "backwards" by the time of the original series. What would be easier to read, words projected in the air like we saw Michael using in episode three or words on a screen? With a bit of imagination we can assume that holographic displays were abandoned as being impractical. Let me try and answer the question of Discovery series looking too futuristic for what was to follow in TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
It's not that Discovery looks too futuristic - its that TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager no longer look futuristic at all to the modern audience.
Making Discovery 'fit in' with those programs in terms of look and feel would make Discovery almost unwatchable to todays audience. Voyager was last made in 2001.
Ideas and technological innovation are in constant development. You'll just have to get used to this mis-match or clash between the look and feel of the tech displayed for the greater good of getting new Star Trek.
If it helps, use JJ Abrahams reconciliation trick of placing this series in an alternate reality.
It's not that Discovery looks too futuristic - its that TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager no longer look futuristic at all to the modern audience.
Making Discovery 'fit in' with those programs in terms of look and feel would make Discovery almost unwatchable to todays audience. Voyager was last made in 2001.
Ideas and technological innovation are in constant development. You'll just have to get used to this mis-match or clash between the look and feel of the tech displayed for the greater good of getting new Star Trek.
If it helps, use JJ Abrahams reconciliation trick of placing this series in an alternate reality.
I'll watch it anyway but will wait until they are all 'on' then have hopefully have a very satisfying binge sesh.
Question though; has it lost the "lefties in space" (LIS) feel many of the TNG / DS9 / Voyager episodes had, or is it still too early to tell?
In my mind...
TNG had a LIS quotient of 25% or 1 in 4 were dross (but I still watch them, even the ones with Troys mum in them, which were alwys the worse and a blatent attempt to conserve whatever series budget for bigger and better things)
DS9 had a LIS of 75%+ up until the Dominion war and then it went to 0% LIS
Voyager had a consistent LIS of 50%
Enterprise had a huge 75%+ LIS quotient as well but it never really had the chance to get going.
TOS (the original series) had a very low LIS quotient as I think they were all quite often high on LSD!
How is Discovery doing with the LIS quotient?
Question though; has it lost the "lefties in space" (LIS) feel many of the TNG / DS9 / Voyager episodes had, or is it still too early to tell?
In my mind...
TNG had a LIS quotient of 25% or 1 in 4 were dross (but I still watch them, even the ones with Troys mum in them, which were alwys the worse and a blatent attempt to conserve whatever series budget for bigger and better things)
DS9 had a LIS of 75%+ up until the Dominion war and then it went to 0% LIS
Voyager had a consistent LIS of 50%
Enterprise had a huge 75%+ LIS quotient as well but it never really had the chance to get going.
TOS (the original series) had a very low LIS quotient as I think they were all quite often high on LSD!
How is Discovery doing with the LIS quotient?
It's all a bit dark side though isn't it, hence why it doesn't feel like Trek to me. Off grid innovation, illegal weapons tech, mutiny, insubordination, dodgy recruitment etc. The story direction doesn't have the feel of the Star Fleet/Federation way of doing things. It seems more BSG.
I'd go as far to say that The Orville (which I don't think knows quite what it wants to be) feels more Star Trek than Discovery does.
I'd go as far to say that The Orville (which I don't think knows quite what it wants to be) feels more Star Trek than Discovery does.
hornetrider said:
It's all a bit dark side though isn't it, hence why it doesn't feel like Trek to me. Off grid innovation, illegal weapons tech, mutiny, insubordination, dodgy recruitment etc. The story direction doesn't have the feel of the Star Fleet/Federation way of doing things. It seems more BSG.
I'd go as far to say that The Orville (which I don't think knows quite what it wants to be) feels more Star Trek than Discovery does.
Still waiting to binge a few more episodes so only seen the first of both but yeah that sounds what I feel.I'd go as far to say that The Orville (which I don't think knows quite what it wants to be) feels more Star Trek than Discovery does.
"Star trek" is all about a bright (somewhat naive ) future where they encounter 'strange' and often has a sociological aspect and usually not solved with force.
It's certainly more dark and gritty then any previous Trek series. I am enjoying the new direction but I can certainly see why some people might not as it does feel a bit out of sorts with Trek's usual bright and beautiful future. I can sort of reconcile it with the fact that Star fleet is still quite a fledgling organisation so probably still hasn't found it's way plus they are embroiled in a war with an overly aggressive species so some of nice stuff goes out the window out of necessity.
Guvernator said:
It's certainly more dark and gritty then any previous Trek series. I am enjoying the new direction but I can certainly see why some people might not as it does feel a bit out of sorts with Trek's usual bright and beautiful future. I can sort of reconcile it with the fact that Star fleet is still quite a fledgling organisation so probably still hasn't found it's way plus they are embroiled in a war with an overly aggressive species so some of nice stuff goes out the window out of necessity.
I agree. Not sure if it's just me trying to reconcile the obvious change of direction but that's exactly how I've interpreted it.From this relative dark age grew the Federation with which we are more comfortable and familiar.
Loving it so far.
Watched episode 3 last night. I soooo want to like it. But I’m still on the fence.
It isn’t terrible... but it just doesn’t feel like Star Trek!!!
Plenty of other great sci-fi series out there. But Star Trek should, IMO be “Star Trek”.
Anyone else feel episode 3 felt like a scripted FPS game. Bit like Quake 4/Doom 3/Halo.
This isn’t praise at all. The horror/suspense themes also seem at odds for Star Trek material. And I’ve no idea what they are thinking continuity wise with the rest of the Star Trek universe.
I’m currently Re-watching TNG along side this. Just started Season 4 after watching from the beginning. It’s just so much; nicer, easier to watch, better.
It isn’t terrible... but it just doesn’t feel like Star Trek!!!
Plenty of other great sci-fi series out there. But Star Trek should, IMO be “Star Trek”.
Anyone else feel episode 3 felt like a scripted FPS game. Bit like Quake 4/Doom 3/Halo.
This isn’t praise at all. The horror/suspense themes also seem at odds for Star Trek material. And I’ve no idea what they are thinking continuity wise with the rest of the Star Trek universe.
I’m currently Re-watching TNG along side this. Just started Season 4 after watching from the beginning. It’s just so much; nicer, easier to watch, better.
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