The Gold, Sunday eve
Discussion
Granadier said:
The article also mentions the mild mistake of having Palmer in The Gold use the word "tsunami" when people then said "tidal wave". This was one I noted when watching the series... I don't think I came across "tsunami" until the Boxing Day 2004 disaster.
Not sure this is correct. I could swear I heard it before 2004.wpa1975 said:
I puzzled that at the time they said only one van yet in seems they used 2 vans if that is the case he must have known how much was there.
Sunday Post said:
A central plank of that story has usually been that the robbers had no idea that much gold was in the depot when they broke in. According to McAvoy, “nothing could be further from the truth”.
“This wasn’t ‘Oh, we just got in the doors, stumbled in there’,” says McAvoy.
It wasn’t that at all. We got ready every week, every Friday. We would have two vans, the cars, a place where we used…and then the place we went back to was separate, so it was clean. I used to meet Black every Friday night after he finished work down the Heathrow area and he’d say ‘there’s two million, there’s three million’, ‘cos he could see roughly.
“Then he started off giving me four million, six million. Ten. In gold. And then the night of 25 November, I met him at Heathrow and he told me there’s two ton of yella. Which means gold.’
On learning there were two tons of gold, in the Brink’s-Mat depot, McAvoy worked out the street value of “about 17 million” and told the rest of the robbery gang. “I said, “We’re going tomorrow.’” That was the reason that the robbers took two Transit vans, he explains: “You can’t put two ton of gold in one van. The wheels would be down on the floor. It’s crazy!”
On the day of the robbery, there were not two tons of gold but three.
When Black finished work around 6pm, there is likely to have been roughly two tons of gold in the depot, with another ton arriving without his knowledge after his departure.
McAvoy disputes the suggestion, made by the prosecution in court and reported in the press, that Black told the robbers there was “a normal amount, somewhere between £1 million and £2 million” in cash and valuables in the depot on the day of the robbery, rather than two tons of gold. “It’s in the court documents that he said ‘two ton of yella”,” insists McAvoy.
"When we went in on a Saturday morning, we knew there was two tons of gold, but there were three tons, there was a million pound in cash in the safe in the vault. But all the combinations got changed on the Friday. So, we didn’t get the money from inside the vault, but we went in there for the gold.”
There is some supporting evidence for this version of events buried in the witness statement of the security guard Robin Riseley, who insisted that the robbers started removing the boxes of gold from the vault as soon as they got in and that they continued to do that while he attempted to remember the codes for the safes. Not only did the robbers know that a large amount of gold was there, says McAvoy, but they had a clear plan of what to do with it. He confirms the belief that there were six robbers as “absolutely accurate”.
“This wasn’t ‘Oh, we just got in the doors, stumbled in there’,” says McAvoy.
It wasn’t that at all. We got ready every week, every Friday. We would have two vans, the cars, a place where we used…and then the place we went back to was separate, so it was clean. I used to meet Black every Friday night after he finished work down the Heathrow area and he’d say ‘there’s two million, there’s three million’, ‘cos he could see roughly.
“Then he started off giving me four million, six million. Ten. In gold. And then the night of 25 November, I met him at Heathrow and he told me there’s two ton of yella. Which means gold.’
On learning there were two tons of gold, in the Brink’s-Mat depot, McAvoy worked out the street value of “about 17 million” and told the rest of the robbery gang. “I said, “We’re going tomorrow.’” That was the reason that the robbers took two Transit vans, he explains: “You can’t put two ton of gold in one van. The wheels would be down on the floor. It’s crazy!”
On the day of the robbery, there were not two tons of gold but three.
When Black finished work around 6pm, there is likely to have been roughly two tons of gold in the depot, with another ton arriving without his knowledge after his departure.
McAvoy disputes the suggestion, made by the prosecution in court and reported in the press, that Black told the robbers there was “a normal amount, somewhere between £1 million and £2 million” in cash and valuables in the depot on the day of the robbery, rather than two tons of gold. “It’s in the court documents that he said ‘two ton of yella”,” insists McAvoy.
"When we went in on a Saturday morning, we knew there was two tons of gold, but there were three tons, there was a million pound in cash in the safe in the vault. But all the combinations got changed on the Friday. So, we didn’t get the money from inside the vault, but we went in there for the gold.”
There is some supporting evidence for this version of events buried in the witness statement of the security guard Robin Riseley, who insisted that the robbers started removing the boxes of gold from the vault as soon as they got in and that they continued to do that while he attempted to remember the codes for the safes. Not only did the robbers know that a large amount of gold was there, says McAvoy, but they had a clear plan of what to do with it. He confirms the belief that there were six robbers as “absolutely accurate”.
Randy Winkman said:
Is that the one that they suggested was a "farmhouse" and was "in the country"? I live not far from there and although it might have been a farmhouse (it's hidden behind a wall) it certainly isn't "in the country" since it's in Bromley opposite a library and with a bus stop outside.
Yeah, it's hard to accurately describe Southborough Lane as "the country" isn't it ? Finished this last night.
I was 1 after the original robbery so only knew about it through other shenanigans the rogues got up to, along with the links to the Hatton Garden job.
Questions;
1. Did palmer really have that accent, he was born in solihull.
2. What happened to the art dealer moving into Lichenstein?
The actors were good, Tom Cullen (Palmer) especially really took me in. Didn't like Jack Lowden (Noye), far too baby faced to represent his character.
The feel of it was like McMafia, not sure if it was the same director.
I wonder if Part 2 involves the crook at the end. All of these crooks shouldn't be covered in stuff like Time share scams, brinks mat was a robbery of major amounts of assets we won't see lifted like this ever before.
I feel mixed about watching these depictions after, I want to research and buy books but part of me thinks someone will still profit from crime and it glorifies the callous acts but at the same time is historical and should always be a reminder of the good old days.
I was 1 after the original robbery so only knew about it through other shenanigans the rogues got up to, along with the links to the Hatton Garden job.
Questions;
1. Did palmer really have that accent, he was born in solihull.
2. What happened to the art dealer moving into Lichenstein?
The actors were good, Tom Cullen (Palmer) especially really took me in. Didn't like Jack Lowden (Noye), far too baby faced to represent his character.
The feel of it was like McMafia, not sure if it was the same director.
I wonder if Part 2 involves the crook at the end. All of these crooks shouldn't be covered in stuff like Time share scams, brinks mat was a robbery of major amounts of assets we won't see lifted like this ever before.
I feel mixed about watching these depictions after, I want to research and buy books but part of me thinks someone will still profit from crime and it glorifies the callous acts but at the same time is historical and should always be a reminder of the good old days.
fourstardan said:
1. Did palmer really have that accent, he was born in solihull.
11:44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpvSyDIoh_g
Louis Balfour said:
Did know about this and wonder if it answered my question so thanks.MC Bodge said:
Randy Winkman said:
Some things are made clearer in this documentary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
Yes, I intend to watch it.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
gt_12345 said:
Granadier said:
The article also mentions the mild mistake of having Palmer in The Gold use the word "tsunami" when people then said "tidal wave". This was one I noted when watching the series... I don't think I came across "tsunami" until the Boxing Day 2004 disaster.
Not sure this is correct. I could swear I heard it before 2004.I can't say anymore than anyone else about the series really. I enjoyed it, but left feeling I still don't know the true story! I haven't watched the extra documentary yet though.
I don't think anyone knows the full story. And those that do, are keeping it very quiet. If you read Wikipedia, a lot of them have met with 'unfortunate' accidents since.
And the authorities reckon they've only recovered about half the bullion. Johnson Mathey even bought some if their own gold back on the open market.
Whatever happened, it was truly a very well planned operation. They knew the gold had to be converted to cash and hidden as soon as possible. Cash is much.much easier to launder than gold ingots!
And the authorities reckon they've only recovered about half the bullion. Johnson Mathey even bought some if their own gold back on the open market.
Whatever happened, it was truly a very well planned operation. They knew the gold had to be converted to cash and hidden as soon as possible. Cash is much.much easier to launder than gold ingots!
Randy Winkman said:
outnumbered said:
Randy Winkman said:
Some things are made clearer in this documentary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
I was surprised McAvoy’s girlfriend (or wife) ended up living in a house bought with the proceeds, on the same road where I grew up.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
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