Bond - Quantum of Solace - parts were unwatchable!
Discussion
I liked the film as a whole, but I really didn't like the car chase, which had been touted as featuring the DBS much more than in Casino Royale. I want to see a DBS gioing thriough its paces, not a VH tub being violently pulled to bits, I don't like seeing nice cars getting gratuitously smashed up, I don't like the meaningless flickering scene cutting, and I prefer seeing cars do stuff that might remotely be possible.
What made the car chase in Bullitt good was that it was all feasible - you saw real cars doing real things. Do they really understand the appeal of these cars? I suspect not, and the giveaway was they had Alfa 159's racing a DBS. Please. That is credibility straight out of the window before they start. Lets see a car chase more like a Top Gear road test with all the limits removed. The editing should help convey the story, not hinder it.
What made the car chase in Bullitt good was that it was all feasible - you saw real cars doing real things. Do they really understand the appeal of these cars? I suspect not, and the giveaway was they had Alfa 159's racing a DBS. Please. That is credibility straight out of the window before they start. Lets see a car chase more like a Top Gear road test with all the limits removed. The editing should help convey the story, not hinder it.
Visually I found the film fine - but what on erth happened to the narrative?
It was a tableau of disparate set-pieces which conspired to leave one feelings whatsoever for any of the characters at all.
Shame really, as I thought the new Casino Royale was exceptional for a Bond film.
They really, really need to spend a lot more time on story/
It was a tableau of disparate set-pieces which conspired to leave one feelings whatsoever for any of the characters at all.
Shame really, as I thought the new Casino Royale was exceptional for a Bond film.
They really, really need to spend a lot more time on story/
GKP said:
Broccoli has asked Danny Boyle (Slumdog) to direct the next one. link
Dear god, we're going from OTT fast cutting to OTT slow motion. I can't stand Danny Boyle's directing, it's so boring. They need to stump up the cash and get someone who knows how to direct action scenes properly, like Michael Mann (not that he'd ever do it).johnfm said:
Visually I found the film fine - but what on erth happened to the narrative?
It was a tableau of disparate set-pieces which conspired to leave one feelings whatsoever for any of the characters at all.
Shame really, as I thought the new Casino Royale was exceptional for a Bond film.
They really, really need to spend a lot more time on story/
It is the middle film of the trilogy. All stories have a beginning, a middle, and an end. This was the middle, hence the lack of the other two.It was a tableau of disparate set-pieces which conspired to leave one feelings whatsoever for any of the characters at all.
Shame really, as I thought the new Casino Royale was exceptional for a Bond film.
They really, really need to spend a lot more time on story/
benoli said:
went to watch it at the cinema
from what i remember, the action scenes were almost timed to every 10mins
and as per the norm for films nowadays - Product Placement everywhere
Product placement is part of the history of the Bond films - see it as part of the fun.from what i remember, the action scenes were almost timed to every 10mins
and as per the norm for films nowadays - Product Placement everywhere
My favourite part near the end went something like this;
"I have told you everything you need to know about the Quantum of Solace"
Us (whispering in the Cinema)
"Has he? Did we miss that bit?"
The previous scene was obviously cut from the final edit, but they left in that part as it was the culmination. Shame it didn't make any sense!
A case of too many cowboys and not enough indians I think.
"I have told you everything you need to know about the Quantum of Solace"
Us (whispering in the Cinema)
"Has he? Did we miss that bit?"
The previous scene was obviously cut from the final edit, but they left in that part as it was the culmination. Shame it didn't make any sense!
A case of too many cowboys and not enough indians I think.
Raffles said:
johnfm said:
Visually I found the film fine - but what on erth happened to the narrative?
It was a tableau of disparate set-pieces which conspired to leave one feelings whatsoever for any of the characters at all.
Shame really, as I thought the new Casino Royale was exceptional for a Bond film.
They really, really need to spend a lot more time on story/
It is the middle film of the trilogy. All stories have a beginning, a middle, and an end. This was the middle, hence the lack of the other two.It was a tableau of disparate set-pieces which conspired to leave one feelings whatsoever for any of the characters at all.
Shame really, as I thought the new Casino Royale was exceptional for a Bond film.
They really, really need to spend a lot more time on story/
benoli said:
went to watch it at the cinema
from what i remember, the action scenes were almost timed to every 10mins
and as per the norm for films nowadays - Product Placement everywhere
Product placement is part of the history of the Bond films - see it as part of the fun.from what i remember, the action scenes were almost timed to every 10mins
and as per the norm for films nowadays - Product Placement everywhere
Breaking it down further, scenes within a film may have their own 'beginning, middle and end' so I don't really buy that a 2 hour 'middle' cannot in itself have some structure.
Dick Dastardly said:
GKP said:
Broccoli has asked Danny Boyle (Slumdog) to direct the next one. link
Dear god, we're going from OTT fast cutting to OTT slow motion. I can't stand Danny Boyle's directing, it's so boring. They need to stump up the cash and get someone who knows how to direct action scenes properly, like Michael Mann (not that he'd ever do it).
Bond films were always about vistas and glorifying being in wonderful exotic locations. The car chase should have had lots of wide shots so we could see what was going on and appreciate the locale.
They did go far afield to shoot these scenes and spent a lot of money but quick cutting close ups is what we do when we have no budget and are trying to make out that we have more than we actually have.
They did go far afield to shoot these scenes and spent a lot of money but quick cutting close ups is what we do when we have no budget and are trying to make out that we have more than we actually have.
Buffalo said:
Thought the Casino Royale was very good (with the exception of just happening to have the defib in the car outside...! 
) but as it was some time before QoS was released I had forgotten a few of the plot lines and the pace so fast that I missed half of it. I left the cinema feeling rather flat.
But, I recently watched both of the Craig Bond films back to back and they make far more sense the second time around - i recommend doing it. I actually get the plot now and think QoS makes a fine story if you treat the two films as part a) and b). Hopefully if a third film is made it will be a new plot.
Ah, now that's interesting. A month or two after watching Quantum of Solace, I saw Casino Royale again. Mainly it reminded me what a good film Casino Royale was, but it also made some of the few bits of QoS that I had actually remembered make some kind of sense. Maybe time to watch them back to back. ) but as it was some time before QoS was released I had forgotten a few of the plot lines and the pace so fast that I missed half of it. I left the cinema feeling rather flat.But, I recently watched both of the Craig Bond films back to back and they make far more sense the second time around - i recommend doing it. I actually get the plot now and think QoS makes a fine story if you treat the two films as part a) and b). Hopefully if a third film is made it will be a new plot.
I quite liked the close-up stuff in the car chases. It struck me as quite original to focus on the driver watching the car fall apart around him ... obviously in Bond's case with a forensic disdain. I also liked the Bourne films a lot ... fresh take on the Bond-like hero with all the action, gagetry, super-competence, but with halfway decent characterisation ... though when Clive Owen says "this is all b
ks, poor us", or words to that effect, I still piss myself laughing.Emeye said:
Dick Dastardly said:
GKP said:
Broccoli has asked Danny Boyle (Slumdog) to direct the next one. link
Dear god, we're going from OTT fast cutting to OTT slow motion. I can't stand Danny Boyle's directing, it's so boring. They need to stump up the cash and get someone who knows how to direct action scenes properly, like Michael Mann (not that he'd ever do it).Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff