24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4

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The Mad Monk

10,493 posts

119 months

Wednesday 4th March 2020
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Gameface said:
It's a start??? What the fk do you think I owe you???

I don't have to tell you st.

You want links, more information, you're talking to the wrong bloke.

The repercussions of that firearms case are still ongoing.

The judge was highly critical in his summation. He admonished the force involved for leaving him no choice but to administer such a trivial sentence.

The st flowed from the judge downwards. People's law enforcement careers were affected and as a result they made it a priority to try and take down those involved by other means, to save face.

So why the fk would I say more than I have?

I only told you as courtesy and courtesy only goes so far...
Thank you.

I do hope I haven't upset you. I would hate that.

I meant that perhaps you could post a link to a news report of the case. Nobody would be able to identify you - would they?

Mojooo

12,834 posts

182 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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Trax said:
Gameface said:
Police and especially the CPS are their own worst enemies sometimes.

They could've made the right charges stick but got greedy and royally fked it up. 6 months work for fk all.

I've been a beneficiary of such poor judgement by Essex police and the CPS. This is not an unusual occurrence.

Surprised they let their incompetence be broadcast.
It was a bit strange. When they questioned him further after his statement, they were saying he had made it up just reacting to the information they had released to him. Seemingly forgetting that the homeless guys statement backed what he was saying.....
I think the Police perspective is that you should just tell the truth and if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about
It was fair to say that he had in fact only said things in his statement that they had told him and that would suit it.


BrabusMog

20,282 posts

188 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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Mojooo said:
Trax said:
Gameface said:
Police and especially the CPS are their own worst enemies sometimes.

They could've made the right charges stick but got greedy and royally fked it up. 6 months work for fk all.

I've been a beneficiary of such poor judgement by Essex police and the CPS. This is not an unusual occurrence.

Surprised they let their incompetence be broadcast.
It was a bit strange. When they questioned him further after his statement, they were saying he had made it up just reacting to the information they had released to him. Seemingly forgetting that the homeless guys statement backed what he was saying.....
I think the Police perspective is that you should just tell the truth and if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about
It was fair to say that he had in fact only said things in his statement that they had told him and that would suit it.
Yet the police always show themselves in these shows to be after a "result". These lot were the worst I've seen and, to be fair, it was actually embarrassing.

Solve the crime, don't try and stitch someone up so you can add another feather to your cap.

Legacywr

Original Poster:

12,306 posts

190 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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I don't have much respect for the police at all.

stevensdrs

3,216 posts

202 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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Legacywr said:
I don't have much respect for the police at all.
I don't have any respect for the criminals either. Nearly every case these days is solved by gathering mobile phone usage and location information. I mean ffs if you are going out to commit a crime you don't take your mobile phone with you and you don't text or call anyone involved either before or after the event. Makes the Police look good!

Mojooo

12,834 posts

182 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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BrabusMog said:
Yet the police always show themselves in these shows to be after a "result". These lot were the worst I've seen and, to be fair, it was actually embarrassing.

Solve the crime, don't try and stitch someone up so you can add another feather to your cap.
I think when you are dealing with bad people all day every day it becomes easy to get into that sort of mindset


To me part of the blame lies with the CPS - someone should have examined the evidence in the cold light of day and made a judgement on whether he had a defence/good reason to do what he did


Derek Smith

45,905 posts

250 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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Munter said:
The Mad Monk said:
Thesprucegoose said:
my experience of the police is they do lie to get convictions. I pled guilty but they still lied to bolster their case. It would clearly be habitual as it was pointless challenging them and they knew what to get away with.

pled.

Is that a word?
Yes. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/englis...
It's not an English word though. It is used in the USA and, evidently, Scotland.

PurpleTurtle

7,154 posts

146 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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I quite enjoyed Murder 24/7 last night, was initially surprised that the County Lines lad got not guilty, but then again the two homeless blokes did try to violently rob him down a dark alley, so a jury could be inclined to go with the self defence angle as they did here

That Essex DCI came across as a bit of a plum. He was all, "me, me, me, my suspect, my murderer" like a cross between David Brent and someone who has watched far too many 70's cop shows. The reality was that it was a huge team operation.

Swervin_Mervin

4,497 posts

240 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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Mojooo said:
I think when you are dealing with bad people all day every day it becomes easy to get into that sort of mindset


To me part of the blame lies with the CPS - someone should have examined the evidence in the cold light of day and made a judgement on whether he had a defence/good reason to do what he did
I'd say most of the blame lies with the CPS. They make a decision to prosecute, and on what grounds, based on whether they feel the evidence is enough to secure a conviction. But Essex came across very badly in this one, and I for one was actually rooting for a not guilty decision. Based on the evidence presented in the programme a guilty decision seemed wholly unjust.

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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PurpleTurtle said:
I quite enjoyed Murder 24/7 last night, was initially surprised that the County Lines lad got not guilty, but then again the two homeless blokes did try to violently rob him down a dark alley, so a jury could be inclined to go with the self defence angle as they did here

That Essex DCI came across as a bit of a plum. He was all, "me, me, me, my suspect, my murderer" like a cross between David Brent and someone who has watched far too many 70's cop shows. The reality was that it was a huge team operation.
it was 4 hobos.

They way he was looking over at him in the booking in area, pure Brent.

Greendubber

13,313 posts

205 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
PurpleTurtle said:
I quite enjoyed Murder 24/7 last night, was initially surprised that the County Lines lad got not guilty, but then again the two homeless blokes did try to violently rob him down a dark alley, so a jury could be inclined to go with the self defence angle as they did here

That Essex DCI came across as a bit of a plum. He was all, "me, me, me, my suspect, my murderer" like a cross between David Brent and someone who has watched far too many 70's cop shows. The reality was that it was a huge team operation.
it was 4 hobos.

They way he was looking over at him in the booking in area, pure Brent.
Some DCIs are a bit like that but fortunately most of them are normal people doing a difficult job very well.


berlintaxi

8,535 posts

175 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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PurpleTurtle said:
I quite enjoyed Murder 24/7 last night, was initially surprised that the County Lines lad got not guilty, but then again the two homeless blokes did try to violently rob him down a dark alley, so a jury could be inclined to go with the self defence angle as they did here

That Essex DCI came across as a bit of a plum. He was all, "me, me, me, my suspect, my murderer" like a cross between David Brent and someone who has watched far too many 70's cop shows. The reality was that it was a huge team operation.
He knew full well the murder charge was never going to stick, otherwise he would have been at court for the verdict ready to lap up the media attention.

BadBull

1,924 posts

74 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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Greendubber said:
Some DCIs are a bit like that but fortunately most of them are normal people doing a difficult job very well.
As a copper what's your take on them pursuing the murder charge?

Greendubber

13,313 posts

205 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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BadBull said:
Greendubber said:
Some DCIs are a bit like that but fortunately most of them are normal people doing a difficult job very well.
As a copper what's your take on them pursuing the murder charge?
I've not seen the episode you're on about, I'll get it on catch up at some point.

BadBull

1,924 posts

74 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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Gameface said:
gave that little scrote some massive street rep.
That kid will now be a legend among his little gang for getting off a murder charge.

And because those he answers to have seen he can keep his mouth shut he will have moved up the ladder so to speak.

Great result. rolleyes

BadBull

1,924 posts

74 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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Greendubber said:
BadBull said:
Greendubber said:
Some DCIs are a bit like that but fortunately most of them are normal people doing a difficult job very well.
As a copper what's your take on them pursuing the murder charge?
I've not seen the episode you're on about, I'll get it on catch up at some point.
It's episodes 4 & 5 of Murder 24/7 on iPlayer (if you didn't already know).

Drclarke

1,187 posts

175 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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Gameface said:
It's a start??? What the fk do you think I owe you???

I don't have to tell you st.

You want links, more information, you're talking to the wrong bloke.

The repercussions of that firearms case are still ongoing.

The judge was highly critical in his summation. He admonished the force involved for leaving him no choice but to administer such a trivial sentence.

The st flowed from the judge downwards. People's law enforcement careers were affected and as a result they made it a priority to try and take down those involved by other means, to save face.

So why the fk would I say more than I have?

I only told you as courtesy and courtesy only goes so far...
Blimey, slight anger issue there laugh

The Mad Monk

10,493 posts

119 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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Drclarke said:
Gameface said:
It's a start??? What the fk do you think I owe you???

I don't have to tell you st.

You want links, more information, you're talking to the wrong bloke.

The repercussions of that firearms case are still ongoing.

The judge was highly critical in his summation. He admonished the force involved for leaving him no choice but to administer such a trivial sentence.

The st flowed from the judge downwards. People's law enforcement careers were affected and as a result they made it a priority to try and take down those involved by other means, to save face.

So why the fk would I say more than I have?

I only told you as courtesy and courtesy only goes so far...
Blimey, slight anger issue there laugh
Blimey, slight delayed reaction there.

Drclarke

1,187 posts

175 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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The Mad Monk said:
Blimey, slight delayed reaction there.
Oh, is there a rule that you have to reply with a stated time period?

Are the self appointed Forum Hall monitor ? rofl

RC1807

12,639 posts

170 months

Sunday 8th March 2020
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BadBull said:
Gameface said:
gave that little scrote some massive street rep.
That kid will now be a legend among his little gang for getting off a murder charge.

And because those he answers to have seen he can keep his mouth shut he will have moved up the ladder so to speak.

Great result. rolleyes
Oh, yeah ....Mr "no comment".
Surprised it went to Court, TBH.
He admitted self defence and the guy on the street admitted they planned to rob him, and tried to do so, so why did the CPS waste the money for less than a 50/50 chance of conviction? That said, the young lad was a proper scumbag, no emotion shown or fks given when he was arrested or charged, and he will rise the ranks of the gang he's part of.
Karma will get him.