LOKI - Marvel's best TV Series To Date?

[Lucas Ayde]

SpudLink said:

Yep. They believed they were created by the TVA, for the sole purpose of maintaining the 'sacred timeline'. Once they discovered that they are all variants of people from 'pruned' timelines, some are horrified at what they have been doing, others still believe in their 'sacred' purpose.
That's how people behave when their faith is confronted by hard facts. Otherwise science would have killed off all religions years ago.

Whether or not you knew the truth, destroying timelines was always essentially wiping out billions of people whether you belived that there was a higher purpose to it or not.

They were able to do so with zero thought to the morality before, now their actual basic morals (the main group, not the splinter) seem to have done a 180 and they are shocked and devastated when a timeline blinks out.

They just haven't done the job of portraying out the consequences/aftermath of the revelation at the end of S1 very well. I guess the plot just called for the splinter group dynamic and they didn't want to spend a lot of time exploring/fleshing out how people reacted in any great detail, so suddenly everyone in the main TVA now has a completely different moral code and its good guys vs bad guys.

[SlimJim16v]

Durzel said:

I also think as soon as you add timelines and the ability to go back in time you kinda invalidate the pathos at scenes where people lose stuff or each other.

Yes, parallel universes/timeliness and time travel can lazily be used to fix anything that's happened.

I'm still undecided by S2, though it is better than the 1st. They seem to have conveniently forgotten that Loki is a god, of mischief though.

[Lucas Ayde]

SlimJim16v said:

Durzel said:

I also think as soon as you add timelines and the ability to go back in time you kinda invalidate the pathos at scenes where people lose stuff or each other.

Yes, parallel universes/timeliness and time travel can lazily be used to fix anything that's happened.

I'm still undecided by S2, though it is better than the 1st. They seem to have conveniently forgotten that Loki is a god, of mischief though.

He's also Loki from the 'Avengers' movie too .. so he didn't undergo all that stuff that lead to the Loki in the main MCU timeline sacrificing and redeeming himself due to experiences that happened after that.

[SlimJim16v]

Third episode, nearly hit FFWD.

[snoopy25]

I enjoyed the episode

[Radec]

snoopy25 said:

I enjoyed the episode

Same here

Is Renslayer going to turn out to be a HWR variant?

[snoopy25]

Radec said:

snoopy25 said:

I enjoyed the episode

Same here

Is Renslayer going to turn out to be a HWR variant?

Given how the comics went Renslayer was a love interest for Kang and I think from the first episode this season when Loki was in that meeting room HWR was saying how brilliant Renslayer was......plus Miss Minutes seemed to get very jealous of Renslayer as well and was happy when he dunked her over the side of the boat lol

[westtra]

Radec said:

Same here

Is Renslayer going to turn out to be a HWR variant?

That was my thought too at the end of the episode

[ashleyman]

Enjoyed Season 1. But struggling with Season 2.

[SpudLink]

westtra said:

Radec said:

Same here

Is Renslayer going to turn out to be a HWR variant?

That was my thought too at the end of the episode

I wouldn’t have thought so. However, I wonder if the studio might be looking for a backup plan if they need to replace Jonathan Majors.

[C5_Steve]

SpudLink said:

westtra said:

Radec said:

Same here

Is Renslayer going to turn out to be a HWR variant?

That was my thought too at the end of the episode

I wouldn’t have thought so. However, I wonder if the studio might be looking for a backup plan if they need to replace Jonathan Majors.

I hadn't thought of that but it would make a lot of sense.

Either way, enjoyed this episode. Unlike more recent Marvel series we're making progress every episode towards something so I appreciate that. I also really enjoyed Majors this week, quite impressed with the three versions of Kang we've seen in detail so far and the way he's played them all.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Man I feel old with the Chinese kid from Goonies in it and being middle aged.

[snoopy25]

This episode had a brilliant sense of 'jepordy' to it. Absolutely loved the ending and have no idea, how the next episode is going to pick up and start!

[Nurburgsingh]

There isn’t anything after the credits in the finale

[Antony Moxey]

Two things for me: firstly I thought it lost its way a bit in the middle episodes, I was struggling to work out what was happening at times. And secondly I'm not sure of the point of it being Loki - pretty much everything he did (other than episode six, and I'll go no further than that as most won't have seen it yet) was 'normal', as though it could have been you or me, there was very little 'Lokiness' about it, certainly nothing he did resembled anything like how he behaved in the films.

Whatever, decent enough time waster, just a shame it's over. Wonder what's coming next?

[Nurburgsingh]

Antony Moxey said:

Two things for me: firstly I thought it lost its way a bit in the middle episodes, I was struggling to work out what was happening at times. And secondly I'm not sure of the point of it being Loki - pretty much everything he did (other than episode six, and I'll go no further than that as most won't have seen it yet) was 'normal', as though it could have been you or me, there was very little 'Lokiness' about it, certainly nothing he did resembled anything like how he behaved in the films.

Whatever, decent enough time waster, just a shame it's over. Wonder what's coming next?

I get what you mean but there was a 'Setting" that prevented him from doing magic - "being Loki" - at the TVA, no?

[SpudLink]

Nurburgsingh said:

Antony Moxey said:

Two things for me: firstly I thought it lost its way a bit in the middle episodes, I was struggling to work out what was happening at times. And secondly I'm not sure of the point of it being Loki - pretty much everything he did (other than episode six, and I'll go no further than that as most won't have seen it yet) was 'normal', as though it could have been you or me, there was very little 'Lokiness' about it, certainly nothing he did resembled anything like how he behaved in the films.

Whatever, decent enough time waster, just a shame it's over. Wonder what's coming next?

I get what you mean but there was a 'Setting" that prevented him from doing magic - "being Loki" - at the TVA, no?

Magic was nutralised at the TVA. But I think that's only part of it. At the start of season 1 he was still very much the same character. But then he saw how his life would have played out. How his actions lead to the death of his mother. The end of Asgard. His death at the hands of Thanos.
He still had plans to rule the TVA, but it was a bit half hearted.

Much of his behavior in the films was driven by his fraternal jealousy. Living in the shadow of his big dumb blond brother. He had defined himself by his antagonism towards his brother. Once he was away from Thor and Asgard, he had the chance to develop.
In one of the films Thor said something like "You'll always be the god of mischief, but you could be so much more". Two season of his own show have allowed him to grow. His catchphrase was "I am burdened with glorious purpose", which was his driving ambition. At the end we see him achieve that glorious purpose, but as a burden/responsibility, not a prize.

Loki, the God of Time.

Character growth is a wonderful thing.

[robemcdonald]

Probably going to get flamed for this. I thought it was a load of nonsense. Enjoyable at times excruciating at others. Tom Hiddleston was clearly enjoying himself though, so that’s nice.
Kudos to Marvel for retconning Jonathan Majors out at the end though.

[Antony Moxey]

Cheers for that Spud. I'm generally rubbish at working out what's supposed to be happening so to have someone explain it properly is most appreciated.

[Radec]

Thought it was a decent ending.
Jonathan Majors was very good in this episode as HWR

One thing I don't get was didn't Loki disappear midway through the battle of New York to the TVA, so now that he is holding the loom together, so none of the subsequent events while he is in handcuffs not happen now?

Edited by Radec on Friday 10th November 20:32