Deutschland 83, 86 & 89

[marcosgt]

cardigankid said:

I do hope that General Edel didn't shoot himself at the end there, and that was just a fireworks display. I didn't think he deserved all the problems or his wife running off for that matter.

Perhaps he found he had AIDS too, from shagging prostitutes?

I wasn't really surprised the wife had enough...

M.

[SilverSixer]

cardigankid said:

I didn't think he deserved all the problems or his wife running off for that matter.

Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 20th February 23:32

I'd have thought punching her in the face was reason enough on its own.

[V8mate]

SilverSixer said:

cardigankid said:

I didn't think he deserved all the problems or his wife running off for that matter.

I'd have thought punching her in the face was reason enough on its own.

By accident! It was something he in no way intended or wished to do.

[Disastrous]

Indeed! I burst my OH's lip as she was standing behind me as I was prising some tiles off the bathroom wall and they went suddenly, and so did my elbow.

"Terribly sorry dear, genuine mistake and all that sort of thing". True (not true) story.

[SilverSixer]

V8mate said:

SilverSixer said:

cardigankid said:

I didn't think he deserved all the problems or his wife running off for that matter.

I'd have thought punching her in the face was reason enough on its own.

By accident! It was something he in no way intended or wished to do.

But he did mean to punch someone. Not a good omen.

[Rostfritt]

PurpleTurtle said:

Much as I enjoyed the series as a whole, the finale did seem rather rushed.

The whole scenario of Edel's daughter getting in a band, them playing one gig in East Berlin, Schweppensteppe giving a pregnant Annett a backstage pass, for her to succesfully entice Edel's daughter back to her house in the East at the first time of meeting, only to find the photo of Martin and twig him as a spy was frankly preposterous.

A shame, as the rest of it had me enthralled.

My thoughts exactly. I wondered if I had missed an episode as I wasn't really keeping up with all the stuff happening. Maybe they had to condense it down a bit?

[cardigankid]

Yes, the writing didn't quite keep up at the end, but still a great series.

[youngsyr]

What I didn't get, and was central to the whole series, is why Martin's dad wanted to start a nuclear war?

He had more information than most people, clearly showing the West wouldn't launch a pre-emptive strike, but he still was pushing hard to start the war - WHY?

[popeyewhite]

Given up on this. Enjoyed the music but didn't really entertain.

[Zod]

youngsyr said:

What I didn't get, and was central to the whole series, is why Martin's dad wanted to start a nuclear war?

He had more information than most people, clearly showing the West wouldn't launch a pre-emptive strike, but he still was pushing hard to start the war - WHY?

It was what Andropov wanted. It would have led to his promotion (assuming he survived) in a new, Soviet-dominated world.

[youngsyr]

Zod said:

youngsyr said:

What I didn't get, and was central to the whole series, is why Martin's dad wanted to start a nuclear war?

He had more information than most people, clearly showing the West wouldn't launch a pre-emptive strike, but he still was pushing hard to start the war - WHY?

It was what Andropov wanted. It would have led to his promotion (assuming he survived) in a new, Soviet-dominated world.

I still don't buy it - assuming he didn't care about the millions of people who would have been killed, there was a good chance he himself would have been killed and if he did survive, the world he would be living in would be post apocalyptic - all for a promotion at work?

[marcosgt]

youngsyr said:

Zod said:

youngsyr said:

What I didn't get, and was central to the whole series, is why Martin's dad wanted to start a nuclear war?

He had more information than most people, clearly showing the West wouldn't launch a pre-emptive strike, but he still was pushing hard to start the war - WHY?

It was what Andropov wanted. It would have led to his promotion (assuming he survived) in a new, Soviet-dominated world.

I still don't buy it - assuming he didn't care about the millions of people who would have been killed, there was a good chance he himself would have been killed and if he did survive, the world he would be living in would be post apocalyptic - all for a promotion at work?

Indeed - If you felt he believed it, it would have been one thing, but he seemed to be doing to 'please his boss' and there are limits

m.

[skinny]

SilverSixer said:

V8mate said:

SilverSixer said:

cardigankid said:

I didn't think he deserved all the problems or his wife running off for that matter.

I'd have thought punching her in the face was reason enough on its own.

By accident! It was something he in no way intended or wished to do.

But he did mean to punch someone. Not a good omen.

To be fair I wanted to punch that guy too.

[SilverSixer]

skinny said:

SilverSixer said:

V8mate said:

SilverSixer said:

cardigankid said:

I didn't think he deserved all the problems or his wife running off for that matter.

I'd have thought punching her in the face was reason enough on its own.

By accident! It was something he in no way intended or wished to do.

But he did mean to punch someone. Not a good omen.

To be fair I wanted to punch that guy too.

A good point, well made.

[anonymous-user]

youngsyr said:

What I didn't get, and was central to the whole series, is why Martin's dad wanted to start a nuclear war?

He had more information than most people, clearly showing the West wouldn't launch a pre-emptive strike, but he still was pushing hard to start the war - WHY?

Yeah that was weird. They seemed to just add on that he was his dad in the last episode, it had nothing to do with anything. Did Martin even find out he was his father? It all seemed a bit odd.

Still enjoyed it though.

[EarlOfHazard]

After letting Youtube play away on its own, it played this track below -which is the theme tune!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoW4Vw4XGAs&eb...

[Crafty_]

I've just managed to catch up with this, I quite liked it but I agree there were some implausible bits with regard to security, like when he escaped the base (too easy) and wasn't chased and the way he always disappeared on exercises to get messages from the tree but it was never mentioned.

At the hotel when he stole the report he took pictures of documents in the room, but took those with him rather than drop them with the disk - why ? Then he got back to the room, had a fight with the waitress and then the top brass are there, but don't discover his toolkit/photos and there is little reason for the waitress to attack him as he alleged.

I also didn't understand the point of Schweppenstette throwing the girls together or Martin/Moritz killing the guy who he gave the 'coffee' / detonators to.

I thought that was going to come back and bite him after they made a point of saying that there were no detonators - so someone must have given the terrorists them - he ripped one up and left the bits in the train tunnel.

The Mother must have something else to hide too, why would the DDR/Schweppenstette release Thomas in to the West ? he'd be no use as an agent as he had no loyalty anyway. Surely they'd just chuck him in jail or kill him ? even if they told her he was free ?

Martin/Moritz clearly had feelings for the secretary to some extent and the general's daughter too (who, according to wiki was a playboy centrefold some time ago for the pervs.. ). He's also devoted to the blonde girl & baby.

Second series won't be out until 2018 and apparently most of it is set outside of Germany. Amazon have bought it apparently.

I've also watched "The heavy water war", it is/was on Channel 4 as "The Saboteurs" and is a semi-fictitious drama around the attacks on the Norsk Hydro plant in WW2. If Anna Friel in a uniform is your thing its worth a watch

Edited by Crafty_ on Sunday 30th October 15:24

[nickwilcock]

'If Anna Friel in a uniform is your thing its worth a watch...'

Perhaps if she removes it slowly, button by button, with that coy look on her face...??

[TCEvo]

Heads up (although probably needs a new thread now) as the follow-up Deutschland 86 will be on More4, Friday March 8th, 9pm.

[V8mate]

TCEvo said:

Heads up (although probably needs a new thread now) as the follow-up Deutschland 86 will be on More4, Friday March 8th, 9pm.