Solo: A Star Wars Story
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p1stonhead said:
I’m amazed the phantom menace is so low considering the hype it had being the first Star Wars film for decades.
A different cinema environment back then though, without many of the large multiplexes, and different release strategies. A generation ago a movie would be released and have weeks to make its box office total and might build up over time adding screens as word of mouth spread.
Now it is worldwide releases on thousands of screens at once.
Sam. said:
p1stonhead said:
I’m amazed the phantom menace is so low considering the hype it had being the first Star Wars film for decades.
Is this account for inflation? Might not make much of a difference but.
Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 30th May 09:30
JagLover said:
A different cinema environment back then though, without many of the large multiplexes, and different release strategies.
A generation ago a movie would be released and have weeks to make its box office total and might build up over time adding screens as word of mouth spread.
Now it is worldwide releases on thousands of screens at once.
True, I just had a look at the latest top UK opening weekends of all time, half of the top 10 films are less than 3 years old, the rest are all under a decade old.A generation ago a movie would be released and have weeks to make its box office total and might build up over time adding screens as word of mouth spread.
Now it is worldwide releases on thousands of screens at once.
Cinemas used to be packed back in the day. Typically only one cinema per town with 3 screens, each showing a different film.
When a new big film came out, film number 3 would get bumped off and you'd have to wait for video if you missed it
JagLover said:
I believe the term is doubling down
t identity politics article espouses or the st slinging at fans......
It's actually quite impressive the lengths SJWs will go to twist the facts to their argument.
If Solo had been a success, they would have hailed it as a victory for SJWism, demonstrating that people have no issue with identity politics (pansexual Lando, feminist droid) - and it would have demonstrated that the fans who criticised TLJ were a tiny minority of sad as f
k fat, white, males - just like Kathleen Kennedy asserted.But it bombed, so they flip it around and say 'movies with white guys in the lead are poison'.
Funny - 5 out of the top 10 highest domestic box office takings in the US so far this year have white male leads/co-leads (6 if you include Peter Rabbit) plus the white characters in Infinity War got by far the most screen time (as an individual character - Thanos got the most) - so arguably that makes 7 out of 10......and rather Ironically, this list includes Solo.........
I guess if that article is right though - they are fully expecting Ant Man & the Wasp, Jurassic World 2 and Mission Impossible to all bomb.
Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 30th May 10:04
Moonhawk said:
JagLover said:
I believe the term is doubling down
t identity politics this article espouses......So they are basically saying the problem is having any white males amongst your heroes....
This thread has become another TLJ bash, be good if it could we could focus on Solo!
I went to see it last night and came away pleasantly surprised, I kept away from trailers and reviews to try and go in un-biased.
I thought Alden and Don were well cast as Han and Lando, pretty much capturing the spirit of the characters we know later in their lives. Harrelson was decent, Clarke was wooden until the last 15 minutes or so until her character really opened up and got going.
I have to agree with a few posters that commented on the picture quality at the start, seemed a bit murky and dark to me, perhaps that is to mirror the part of the story being told?
Some of the set pieces were good, the coaxium train jack was great, the maelstrom and Kessel run a bit anti-climatic, lacking perhaps in the epic space battles but this is early on in the saga.
Some negativity has come about because we already know how most of the film plays out, we know they do the Kessel run, we know Han wins the Millennium Falcon and I guess a lot of people used their imagine to construct how these events unfolded, but for me it was good to see them played out on screen.
I've not followed the canon; Clone Wars etc. so had to google to work out how Darth Maul slots into the timeline but it seems there was a gap that Solo fits logically into when taking canon into consideration, yes it is ultimately looking to expand upon the Disney empire through more films and merch but it is building the universe and R1 and Solo do a good job for me.
In sum, a much better film than TLJ, nearly on a par with R1 as the best of the 'new' films.
I went to see it last night and came away pleasantly surprised, I kept away from trailers and reviews to try and go in un-biased.
I thought Alden and Don were well cast as Han and Lando, pretty much capturing the spirit of the characters we know later in their lives. Harrelson was decent, Clarke was wooden until the last 15 minutes or so until her character really opened up and got going.
I have to agree with a few posters that commented on the picture quality at the start, seemed a bit murky and dark to me, perhaps that is to mirror the part of the story being told?
Some of the set pieces were good, the coaxium train jack was great, the maelstrom and Kessel run a bit anti-climatic, lacking perhaps in the epic space battles but this is early on in the saga.
Some negativity has come about because we already know how most of the film plays out, we know they do the Kessel run, we know Han wins the Millennium Falcon and I guess a lot of people used their imagine to construct how these events unfolded, but for me it was good to see them played out on screen.
I've not followed the canon; Clone Wars etc. so had to google to work out how Darth Maul slots into the timeline but it seems there was a gap that Solo fits logically into when taking canon into consideration, yes it is ultimately looking to expand upon the Disney empire through more films and merch but it is building the universe and R1 and Solo do a good job for me.
In sum, a much better film than TLJ, nearly on a par with R1 as the best of the 'new' films.
JagLover said:
So they are basically saying the problem is having any white males amongst your heroes....
That certainly seems to be the current mantra for the SW universe. I'm sure there were only as many white guys in Solo as there were because:1. They kinda had to with Han, given Harrison Ford was also white.
2. Given the setting of the movie, most characters were dodgy/shady/morally questionable anyway (including Han)
Of the few 'good guys' who appeared in the movie, the leader of the rebel group fighting against the empire was.........a 'woman of colour'
Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 30th May 10:12
Jonesy23 said:
The mental gymnastics required to actually write that stuff...
So-called 'liberals' are masters of doublethink, it's part of the basic skillset needed to be an SJW. That, and the ability to see an -ism or -phobia behind everything.I would have loved to see the original vision for Solo before Kathleen Kennedy killed it. Could have been a genuinely original 'Star Wars Universe' piece of film-making.
Interesting stat from Charles Gant: 21 movies made more during their opening weekend (Fri-Sun) in the UK last year than Solo managed.
It'll be pretty damning if it makes less during it's second weekend (which it has a clear run at) than Deadpool 2 managed in its...which was up against Solo.
Only a week till Jurassic World comes out as well.
It'll be pretty damning if it makes less during it's second weekend (which it has a clear run at) than Deadpool 2 managed in its...which was up against Solo.
Only a week till Jurassic World comes out as well.
JagLover said:
Decisions about casting or plotlines are often made to fit a particular agenda.....
Whilst that is true - it’s the degree Disney are going to that is concerning.White men have been shown almost exclusively in a bad light over the past 4 movies - and have been pretty much purged from the ‘goodies’ side altogether.
On top of that - many of the men that do appear on the side of good have been emasculated, denigrated and even physically assaulted by the female characters.
Just what message are they trying to send?
The scary thing is that l337 seems to me anyway to have been added at a late stage in the filming/production of the film. the Droid is missing from all the lego sets, youd have thought that it would have been included in the kessel run falcon set? If it was supposed to be in the film the outset.
Coolbanana said:
Jeez! There is a lot of retarded tosh on this Thread! 
A lot of you need to get a life and grow up!
Putting together well constructed, compelling and articulate arguments is your forte I see......A lot of you need to get a life and grow up!
Do you not think the inclusion of gender and identity politics into the SW universe is worthy of discussion? Even if it is warranted - do you feel the way Disney have gone about it is justified or sensible?
Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 30th May 16:50
Moonhawk said:
Whilst that is true - it’s the degree Disney are going to that is concerning.
White men have been shown almost exclusively in a bad light over the past 4 movies - and have been pretty much purged from the ‘goodies’ side altogether.
On top of that - many of the men that do appear on the side of good have been emasculated, denigrated and even physically assaulted by the female characters.
Just what message are they trying to send?
Maybe they are just bored with the overwhelming preponderance of white male 'goodies' in the film business over the preceding century and feel a bit of balance may be more interesting to watch?White men have been shown almost exclusively in a bad light over the past 4 movies - and have been pretty much purged from the ‘goodies’ side altogether.
On top of that - many of the men that do appear on the side of good have been emasculated, denigrated and even physically assaulted by the female characters.
Just what message are they trying to send?
Pebbles167 said:
SCEtoAUX said:
I watched episode 7, whatever it was called, and as soon a I realised that it featured a black stormtrooper and a female hero (heroine) I knew the franchise had come to an end. (thought 1-3 were garbage too).
To my mind, Stormtroopers are white nazis and if you're going to be a girl in Star Wars you'd better be a princess.
Am I due a whoosh parrot? Or are you generally just a bit racist and sexist To my mind, Stormtroopers are white nazis and if you're going to be a girl in Star Wars you'd better be a princess.
AnotherClarkey said:
Maybe they are just bored with the overwhelming preponderance of white male 'goodies' in the film business over the preceding century and feel a bit of balance may be more interesting to watch?
If you looked back in any detail - i'm sure you'd find there were just as many white male baddies. Why 'balance' only one side of the coin?Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 30th May 17:50
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