Blade runner 2049

[gregs656]

jsf said:

I suspect it will be like the original, a slow burn financially that will make a lot of money via the DVD/streaming route as more people want to see it.

That's nothing like the original, which hasn't really made any money.

[funkyrobot]

Getting this on blue ray soon, but there are a few scenes from the film on YouTube.

I've been watching the end scene again a few times. Its just so good and is a great way to end a film.

Anyone know why he stares up at the sky as he is dying and holds out his hand?

Anyone else notice the little camera tilt as you focus on his face, just as decker walks away and just before he lies down on the steps? Very subtle but very well done. Just gives you the impression he is losing his balance.

This film is one of the few I will buy on blu ray and watch again. Others include Sunshine and of course, Bladerunner.

Edited to add spoiler tags.

Edited by funkyrobot on Saturday 10th February 10:52

[Derek Smith]

I've watched it again. It's come a lot clearer now.

I made a couple of assumptions that were proved to be wrong. Once I cracked that, it was more enjoyable.

I might watch it a third time next week.

[Pupp]

Just revisited it on 4k bluray this time.... again, wow! Don't often use the subwoofer at home but did for this - the sound-staging is an immaculate accompaniment to stunning visuals and an intelligent storyline. Just loving this film

[Clockwork Cupcake]

I watched it again when the BD arrived. Well, I watched it until it shifted into "action film" territory after K has to go on the run, and then I switched it off with a view to coming back to it another night, as it was getting late and I needed to go to bed.

I have to agree with earlier comments that the action is the film's greatest flaw. I love the pacing of the early part of the film (I know many people criticise it as being too slow - it's probably indicative of the modern generation of instant gratification - but I like it) but once it moves into action film territory it is a little diminished.

It's like in the game Bioshock Infinite where you spend the early part of the game exploring, enjoying the atmosphere, soaking up the storytelling, the world-building, and then the combat starts and you sigh, pick up your weapon, and it becomes a shooting game.

That's not to say that the action in the film isn't good, I just enjoy it less. The fight between K and Luv, with K picking off her escort and then battling her to the death felt a bit like a boss battle in a game. And I'm no fan of those either.

Great film nonetheless though.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

southendpier said:

Nom de ploom said:

so why the surgery on the female replicant?

i interpreted it the other way round - so the police luietenants' motive to kill the child and preserve order was entirely false?

those are conflicting motives....

Surgery? He just killed her didn't he? She meant no more to him than say swatting a fly. It showed that he was a mentalist. The fact that Luv shed a tear was (i think) the important part of that scene.

In his exposition to Luv, he said that reproduction was the last secret that Tyrell had which he, Wallace, had yet to unlock. And that he can only manufacture so many Replicants, and cannot meet the demand, and that if he can breed them then the supply is unlimited.

Then he just sliced her stomach open to illustrate that she was barren, a failure. To underline his point. There was no "surgery". He thought no more of her than an artist would think of a piece of paper as he screws it up, throws it in the bin, and starts over.

The Police Lieutenant, meanwhile, tells K that there is a wall or boundary between humans and Replicants, keeping the peace and the status quo, and one of those boundaries is that they are things that are manufactured not created, and if word gets out that Replicants can breed then the walls will collapse and there will be war.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 11th February 17:49

[Nom de ploom]

HighwayStar said:

southendpier said:

Nom de ploom said:

so why the surgery on the female replicant?

i interpreted it the other way round - so the police luietenants' motive to kill the child and preserve order was entirely false?

those are conflicting motives....

Surgery? He just killed her didn't he? She meant no more to him than say swatting a fly. It showed that he was a mentalist. The fact that Luv shed a tear was (i think) the important part of that scene.

Yes, they were moments were Luv showed, in the context of thee moment, a lot of emotion. Declaring I'm the best one. Displaying confidence and self awareness. Watching the film I felt she wanted to please Wallace and child like, receive praise. There was more going on with Luv than ruthlessly going about her business.

I saw that scene as a pre-empt to that female replicant having children and Luvs' reaction that she was still able to therefore special? and her reaction was to that end...breeding replicant children to save money is a nonesense concept as they would take years and years to mature surely? other than making a point for the sake of making a point why kill her if they cost so much?

thus the assumption that all female replicants can reproduce could still be valid?

[RobDickinson]

I've no idea how you got to that conclusion.

It's pretty obvious that his replicants can't reproduce, lov included and he's trying to breed a new slave class

[Clockwork Cupcake]

RobDickinson said:

It's pretty obvious that his replicants can't reproduce, lov included and he's trying to breed a new slave class

Especially as he said so in his exposition.

Edit: From a transcription at https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_scr...

"Every leap of civilization was built off the back of a disposable work force. We lost our stomach for slaves, unless engineered. But I can only make so many. That barren pasture, empty and salted. Right here. The dead space between the stars. And this, the seed that we must change for heaven? I cannot breed them, so help me, I have tried.
We need more replicants than can ever be assembled. Millions, so we can be trillions more.
We could storm Eden and retake her. Tyrell's final trick, procreation. Perfected and lost."

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Monday 12th February 20:21

[Disastrous]

Ha, I was literally about to post that quote.

[ReverendCounter]

Is that a mk2 Golf?

[HorneyMX5]

Top bearding!

[Nom de ploom]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

RobDickinson said:

It's pretty obvious that his replicants can't reproduce, lov included and he's trying to breed a new slave class

Especially as he said so in his exposition.

Edit: From a transcription at https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_scr...

"Every leap of civilization was built off the back of a disposable work force. We lost our stomach for slaves, unless engineered. But I can only make so many. That barren pasture, empty and salted. Right here. The dead space between the stars. And this, the seed that we must change for heaven? I cannot breed them, so help me, I have tried.
We need more replicants than can ever be assembled. Millions, so we can be trillions more.
We could storm Eden and retake her. Tyrell's final trick, procreation. Perfected and lost."

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Monday 12th February 20:21

i have therefore completely missed that bit of dialogue for some reason. facepalm. :-)

[Dog Star]

I actually thought Jared Leto was great - for some reason he cops for a load of bad press. His delivery of the above for example - loved it.

[r11co]

Nom de ploom said:

breeding replicant children to save money is a nonesense concept as they would take years and years to mature surely?

Accelarated growth presumably. It's science fiction, so don't overthink it .

[Clockwork Cupcake]

r11co said:

Nom de ploom said:

breeding replicant children to save money is a nonesense concept as they would take years and years to mature surely?

Accelarated growth presumably. It's science fiction, so don't overthink it .

And even if not, in the long game it has to be at the very least less labour-intensive to breed something rather than manufacture something. The latter is a very active process, whilst the former is largely passive.

Having said that, in the Blade Runner universe real animals are incredibly expensive whilst replicant ones are affordable, so who knows.

[Disastrous]

Dog Star said:

I actually thought Jared Leto was great - for some reason he cops for a load of bad press. His delivery of the above for example - loved it.

I thought he was the worst part of the film by a long way. As if he’d studied “how to be a weird baddie” in acting class and had been taught that IF you...USE a STRANGE...cadence, pausing...in unUSUAL places and...adding. EMPHASIS. to...random...WORDS, then people will think you’re sinister. As opposed to a st actor.

[Mothersruin]

Disastrous said:

Dog Star said:

I actually thought Jared Leto was great - for some reason he cops for a load of bad press. His delivery of the above for example - loved it.

I thought he was the worst part of the film by a long way. As if he’d studied “how to be a weird baddie” in acting class and had been taught that IF you...USE a STRANGE...cadence, pausing...in unUSUAL places and...adding. EMPHASIS. to...random...WORDS, then people will think you’re sinister. As opposed to a st actor.

Hmmm, weird - he's a class actor.

[Disastrous]

Mothersruin said:

Hmmm, weird - he's a class actor.

Disagree, but then it’s a subjective craft.

Personally I don’t see any original thoughts going on when he creates a character. For Suicide Squad it was like he just thought “do what Heath Ledger did but go even weirder!”.

I’ll give him a pass on Requiem for a Dream. But not Dallas Buyers Club. Everyone raves about that but I thought it was quite a patronising portrayal.

As I say, subjective craft.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

I found him neither exceptional nor annoying in Blade Runner 2049. I thought he portrayed Wallace just fine.