Automotive Vloggers (Vol. 5)

[UTH]

jayemm89 said:

Challo said:

Because Paul has been doing it a lot longer than JayEmm has. If you look at growth and views, JayEmm is head and shoulders above Paul.

Channel subscribers can give a good indicator of historical performance, but the truth is it doesn't always have a bearing on the current health of a channel.

Paul for example has quadruple my subs, and five times as many lifetime views - but his current view and sub rates are a third of mine. That is just one platform though - I focus heavily on YT where others do a much better job across all platforms.

I would still like to see him make a proper comeback, but he has said before he has plenty of other stuff to do and if he feels happier doing that, I'm glad for him.

Thanks also for people's kind words on the Countach video. I was expecting more flak on that because I was not convinced the car was running right and I figured more people would try to tell me that

Are people just lazy so they don't get around to unsubbing from a channel, but they also don't watch the videos anymore?

I'm subbed to one channel (not car related) where he often mentions how despite having about 2.5m subs, his video views have been dropping off consistently for years......which must mean a large % of the people who are still subbed never watch the videos. Just seems a bit odd to me that they'll remain subbed, the videos will still pop up on their feed (or whatever it's called) but will ignore them. Why not just unsub.

[jm8403]

UTH said:

Are people just lazy so they don't get around to unsubbing from a channel, but they also don't watch the videos anymore?

I'm subbed to one channel (not car related) where he often mentions how despite having about 2.5m subs, his video views have been dropping off consistently for years......which must mean a large % of the people who are still subbed never watch the videos. Just seems a bit odd to me that they'll remain subbed, the videos will still pop up on their feed (or whatever it's called) but will ignore them. Why not just unsub.

Yes, in many cases. Its quick and easy to find people / videos I like so just never bother 'unsubbing to many' vs watch the video

[UTH]

jm8403 said:

UTH said:

Are people just lazy so they don't get around to unsubbing from a channel, but they also don't watch the videos anymore?

I'm subbed to one channel (not car related) where he often mentions how despite having about 2.5m subs, his video views have been dropping off consistently for years......which must mean a large % of the people who are still subbed never watch the videos. Just seems a bit odd to me that they'll remain subbed, the videos will still pop up on their feed (or whatever it's called) but will ignore them. Why not just unsub.

Yes, in many cases. Its quick and easy to find people / videos I like so just never bother 'unsubbing to many' vs watch the video

As I wrote my post it did occur to me that actually I'm guilty of exactly what I was writing about.....I think 50% of the channels I'm subbed to I never watch the videos anymore. So, yes, clearly people are just lazy haha.

[jayemm89]

I am pretty sure YT also notices if you stop watching a channel so much - and will not recommend it to you as prominently.

[jm8403]

UTH said:

As I wrote my post it did occur to me that actually I'm guilty of exactly what I was writing about.....I think 50% of the channels I'm subbed to I never watch the videos anymore. So, yes, clearly people are just lazy haha.

haha!

[DannyScene]

UTH said:

As I wrote my post it did occur to me that actually I'm guilty of exactly what I was writing about.....I think 50% of the channels I'm subbed to I never watch the videos anymore. So, yes, clearly people are just lazy haha.

I do this far too often, watch 1 video from someone new, really enjoy it, subscribe, watch a few more, don't enjoy them, forget to unsubscribe

[S11Steve]

UTH said:

jm8403 said:

UTH said:

Are people just lazy so they don't get around to unsubbing from a channel, but they also don't watch the videos anymore?

I'm subbed to one channel (not car related) where he often mentions how despite having about 2.5m subs, his video views have been dropping off consistently for years......which must mean a large % of the people who are still subbed never watch the videos. Just seems a bit odd to me that they'll remain subbed, the videos will still pop up on their feed (or whatever it's called) but will ignore them. Why not just unsub.

Yes, in many cases. Its quick and easy to find people / videos I like so just never bother 'unsubbing to many' vs watch the video

As I wrote my post it did occur to me that actually I'm guilty of exactly what I was writing about.....I think 50% of the channels I'm subbed to I never watch the videos anymore. So, yes, clearly people are just lazy haha.

I had a clean up of my subs recently - quite a lot of them have not posted in months or years, some I subbed to because of one or two good videos, but not watched much else since, and a few DIY/Gardening type channels from when I was refurbing a house, and a few model railway channels from when I was setting one up...

What I did notice is that it is not a one-click process to unsub using the YT app on a phone from the subs list - clicking each one took me to their video list, then another click to open either the channel homepage, or a video, then another click to unsub.

I feel like a millennial when only 3 clicks is considered a bit of a chore...

[AJB1971]

The Alex Rebuilds/Royalty Rebuilds channel is a good example of what happens. Alex stopped producing content for a long period of time and then sold the channel to someone else. It would be fair to say that the new owner was not well received and views dropped off massively from around an average of 2m per month to approximately 100k, but the number of subscribers is still 380k. That’s probably around 2% less than the channel’s peak if I’m remembering correctly.

The owner of a small channel I subscribe to (not automotive-related) sadly passed away earlier this year and the number of subscribers has only dropped by about 1% since he announced he was ill. It seems disloyal to unsubscribe in the circumstances.

What surprises me is when YouTubers mention how few viewers are actually subscribed. I wonder if it’s just a case of subscribers not being logged in to their accounts as the percentages given do seem extremely low.

It might be difficult to get people to subscribe but it also seems that people are reluctant to unsubscribe.

[slopes]

AJB1971 said:

The Alex Rebuilds/Royalty Rebuilds channel is a good example of what happens. Alex stopped producing content for a long period of time and then sold the channel to someone else. It would be fair to say that the new owner was not well received and views dropped off massively from around an average of 2m per month to approximately 100k, but the number of subscribers is still 380k. That’s probably around 2% less than the channel’s peak if I’m remembering correctly.

The owner of a small channel I subscribe to (not automotive-related) sadly passed away earlier this year and the number of subscribers has only dropped by about 1% since he announced he was ill. It seems disloyal to unsubscribe in the circumstances.

What surprises me is when YouTubers mention how few viewers are actually subscribed. I wonder if it’s just a case of subscribers not being logged in to their accounts as the percentages given do seem extremely low.

It might be difficult to get people to subscribe but it also seems that people are reluctant to unsubscribe.

Purely from my own point of view, the only channel i follow where the owner urges you to subscribe, is so you can get exclusive content. It's also curious that since they monitised their channel, any little projects the owner has done, is now only available by going through their amazon store front and the owner also has a Patreon/Patron page which is where he uploads that sort of thing now.

Now i can understand the whole point of this, if you have a channel that is generating substantial traffic - this particular page is about 400k subs in a niche market - then why wouldn't you monetise the channel, if it can generate income for you then it's only wise to do just that.
But to expect people to fork out just to view interesting stuff will eventually push people away and that is what has happened here, the hardcore fans are still subbed to this particular channel but the average person has tuned out and moved away from this particular person's holier than thou, you must do as i dictate approach to his videos.

I ignore most of his content now and unsubbed from his instagram page because it was all - look at me, only i know anything, you must do as i say, buy my stuff from my links blah blah. Maybe it's the same with some of the automotive vlogger channels

[mattdavies]

https://youtu.be/gXg3A6G1l6o

Watched the second part in STGs coverage of the Ferrari Tribute. I think it felt a little more rushed then the first install but I thought it good brief account of how they found it and the emotions from doing it

Edited by mattdavies on Tuesday 5th July 14:17

[DannyScene]

mattdavies said:

https://youtu.be/gXg3A6G1l6o

Watched the secong part in STGs coverage of the Ferrari Tribute. I think it felt a little more rished then the first install but I thought it good brief account of how they found it and the emotions from doing it

Yep I thought the same after watching it the other day, really enjoyed the 1st segment, the 2nd like you say just felt a bit rushed, still a good watch though, maybe they took a tad too long sorting part 1 out

[wpa1975]

DannyScene said:

mattdavies said:

https://youtu.be/gXg3A6G1l6o

Watched the secong part in STGs coverage of the Ferrari Tribute. I think it felt a little more rished then the first install but I thought it good brief account of how they found it and the emotions from doing it

Yep I thought the same after watching it the other day, really enjoyed the 1st segment, the 2nd like you say just felt a bit rushed, still a good watch though, maybe they took a tad too long sorting part 1 out

Enjoyed it but the first part was a lot better.

[614-HSO]

mattdavies said:

https://youtu.be/gXg3A6G1l6o

Watched the second part in STGs coverage of the Ferrari Tribute. I think it felt a little more rushed then the first install but I thought it good brief account of how they found it and the emotions from doing it

Edited by mattdavies on Tuesday 5th July 14:17

I was a bit disappointed with it all, three to four days done in less than an hour, he had a support camera car as well!

[jon-]

614-HSO said:

mattdavies said:

https://youtu.be/gXg3A6G1l6o

Watched the second part in STGs coverage of the Ferrari Tribute. I think it felt a little more rushed then the first install but I thought it good brief account of how they found it and the emotions from doing it

Edited by mattdavies on Tuesday 5th July 14:17

I was a bit disappointed with it all, three to four days done in less than an hour, he had a support camera car as well!

I did the Ferrari tribute with Sam in 2018 and it was really tough to find time to do any filming, and we weren't competing so we could take short cuts / get ahead of the group. I would imagine actually being in the rally makes filming incredibly difficult.

[anonymous-user]

614-HSO said:

I was a bit disappointed with it all, three to four days done in less than an hour, he had a support camera car as well!

My thoughts as well, although I did enjoy it, it was over too quickly considering the scale of the event.

[Composer62]

OnTheBreadline said:

614-HSO said:

I was a bit disappointed with it all, three to four days done in less than an hour, he had a support camera car as well!

My thoughts as well, although I did enjoy it, it was over too quickly considering the scale of the event.

I'm wondering if they were both just knackered Tony in particular didn't seem to be having a great time.

[jayemm89]

Trying to create the content people want to the standard they expect with a very small team when you're on an event is super difficult - even something trivial as getting a drive by shot can become nearly impossible.

On most press launches the YouTubers are the first to leave and the last to arrive - it takes a lot longer for us to do our thing than traditional journos

[anonymous-user]

jayemm89 said:

Trying to create the content people want to the standard they expect with a very small team when you're on an event is super difficult - even something trivial as getting a drive by shot can become nearly impossible.

On most press launches the YouTubers are the first to leave and the last to arrive - it takes a lot longer for us to do our thing than traditional journos

Eh?

BTW Jayemm, loved the Prelude vid. A mate had a 4WS one and the handling was crazy good for something so comfy and 80's.

[mattdavies]

jayemm89 said:

Trying to create the content people want to the standard they expect with a very small team when you're on an event is super difficult - even something trivial as getting a drive by shot can become nearly impossible.

On most press launches the YouTubers are the first to leave and the last to arrive - it takes a lot longer for us to do our thing than traditional journos

I fully understand the effort that goes into it, I think from my point of view the first episode was very good and I enjoyed it alot. the second episode IMO wasnt the same standard. I am aware that he had a team with him to film it so thought the standard would of been maintained.

[DannyScene]

jon- said:

614-HSO said:

mattdavies said:

https://youtu.be/gXg3A6G1l6o

Watched the second part in STGs coverage of the Ferrari Tribute. I think it felt a little more rushed then the first install but I thought it good brief account of how they found it and the emotions from doing it

Edited by mattdavies on Tuesday 5th July 14:17

I was a bit disappointed with it all, three to four days done in less than an hour, he had a support camera car as well!

I did the Ferrari tribute with Sam in 2018 and it was really tough to find time to do any filming, and we weren't competing so we could take short cuts / get ahead of the group. I would imagine actually being in the rally makes filming incredibly difficult.

Ye but isn't that why he made such a big thing about taking a film crew with him?

I hope he didn't pay them much, they don't look to have really done any filming, the videos are mostly Sams GoPro for in car shots or Sam vlogging holding his own camera

Looks like the film guys were just along for a jolly!