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I enjoyed the interview with the Bf 110 pilot, really interesting to hear accounts from the other side, these boys were just as brave and hugely skilfull at defending their own countries and cities.
There's something quite sinister about a 110 creeping up in the dark flying underneath a fully laden Lancaster and unleashing the (even more sinister sounding) Schräge Musik into an unsuspecting bomber without anyone even knowing they were there. The Luftwaffe Bf 110 pilot interviewed even had all the serial numbers of kills in his log book. He must have been pretty close.
I didn't realise Lufwaffe night fighters accounted for so many allied bomber losses, I assumed it was heavy flak over the targets.
There's something quite sinister about a 110 creeping up in the dark flying underneath a fully laden Lancaster and unleashing the (even more sinister sounding) Schräge Musik into an unsuspecting bomber without anyone even knowing they were there. The Luftwaffe Bf 110 pilot interviewed even had all the serial numbers of kills in his log book. He must have been pretty close.
I didn't realise Lufwaffe night fighters accounted for so many allied bomber losses, I assumed it was heavy flak over the targets.
Eric Mc said:
Not to mention the -
Stirling
Whitley
Hampden
Wellington
Blenheim
Battle
Mosquito
B-17
All used by Bomber Command to a lesser or greater degree
If we had flying examples of these other aiorcraft(excluding the B-17 which played a fairly minor role with Bomber Command) you would probably see more reference to them in contemporary documentaries.
The B-24 Liberator was also used in fairly significant numbers by Bomber Command.Stirling
Whitley
Hampden
Wellington
Blenheim
Battle
Mosquito
B-17
All used by Bomber Command to a lesser or greater degree
If we had flying examples of these other aiorcraft(excluding the B-17 which played a fairly minor role with Bomber Command) you would probably see more reference to them in contemporary documentaries.
Eric Mc said:
Thunderace said:
The B-24 Liberator was also used in fairly significant numbers by Bomber Command.
I knew I'd ommit at least one type. The B-24s were used mainly in the Far East.The biggest RAF operator was Coastal Command.
Excellent programme, thoroughly enjoyable.
But a question, in this country, we have old buildings which are listed, fazands of them, most hold no historical significance at all yet they are preserved and maintained, some by law. Even classic cars are preserved and maintained, with big race heritage demanding many millions.
So why is there just one flying example of the Lancaster bomber left, and indeed the many other aircraft that served during arguably our greatest historical achievement. I know the air museum and bob memorial try their best but why are they not preserved and kept in working order for generations to come. After all, films and books are great, but there is nothing like seeing it and hearing it in the flesh.
But a question, in this country, we have old buildings which are listed, fazands of them, most hold no historical significance at all yet they are preserved and maintained, some by law. Even classic cars are preserved and maintained, with big race heritage demanding many millions.
So why is there just one flying example of the Lancaster bomber left, and indeed the many other aircraft that served during arguably our greatest historical achievement. I know the air museum and bob memorial try their best but why are they not preserved and kept in working order for generations to come. After all, films and books are great, but there is nothing like seeing it and hearing it in the flesh.
Mattygooner said:
Excellent programme, thoroughly enjoyable.
But a question, in this country, we have old buildings which are listed, fazands of them, most hold no historical significance at all yet they are preserved and maintained, some by law. Even classic cars are preserved and maintained, with big race heritage demanding many millions.
So why is there just one flying example of the Lancaster bomber left, and indeed the many other aircraft that served during arguably our greatest historical achievement. I know the air museum and bob memorial try their best but why are they not preserved and kept in working order for generations to come. After all, films and books are great, but there is nothing like seeing it and hearing it in the flesh.
The sheer cost of an airworthiness certificate and all the hoops that have to be jumped through.But a question, in this country, we have old buildings which are listed, fazands of them, most hold no historical significance at all yet they are preserved and maintained, some by law. Even classic cars are preserved and maintained, with big race heritage demanding many millions.
So why is there just one flying example of the Lancaster bomber left, and indeed the many other aircraft that served during arguably our greatest historical achievement. I know the air museum and bob memorial try their best but why are they not preserved and kept in working order for generations to come. After all, films and books are great, but there is nothing like seeing it and hearing it in the flesh.
Mattygooner said:
Excellent programme, thoroughly enjoyable.
But a question, in this country, we have old buildings which are listed, fazands of them, most hold no historical significance at all yet they are preserved and maintained, some by law. Even classic cars are preserved and maintained, with big race heritage demanding many millions.
So why is there just one flying example of the Lancaster bomber left, and indeed the many other aircraft that served during arguably our greatest historical achievement. I know the air museum and bob memorial try their best but why are they not preserved and kept in working order for generations to come. After all, films and books are great, but there is nothing like seeing it and hearing it in the flesh.
There's another one flying in Canada . . .But a question, in this country, we have old buildings which are listed, fazands of them, most hold no historical significance at all yet they are preserved and maintained, some by law. Even classic cars are preserved and maintained, with big race heritage demanding many millions.
So why is there just one flying example of the Lancaster bomber left, and indeed the many other aircraft that served during arguably our greatest historical achievement. I know the air museum and bob memorial try their best but why are they not preserved and kept in working order for generations to come. After all, films and books are great, but there is nothing like seeing it and hearing it in the flesh.
Mattygooner said:
Excellent programme, thoroughly enjoyable.
But a question, in this country, we have old buildings which are listed, fazands of them, most hold no historical significance at all yet they are preserved and maintained, some by law. Even classic cars are preserved and maintained, with big race heritage demanding many millions.
So why is there just one flying example of the Lancaster bomber left, and indeed the many other aircraft that served during arguably our greatest historical achievement. I know the air museum and bob memorial try their best but why are they not preserved and kept in working order for generations to come. After all, films and books are great, but there is nothing like seeing it and hearing it in the flesh.
It's difficult to preserve what doesn't exist. Most of the heavy bombers were surplus to requirements and largely obsolete at the end of WW2 so they were scrapped - in their tens of thousands. By the time it was realised that perhaps some should be preserved (mid 1960s), it was too late for the Halifax, Whitley, Stirling, Wellington, Hampden, Battle etc etcBut a question, in this country, we have old buildings which are listed, fazands of them, most hold no historical significance at all yet they are preserved and maintained, some by law. Even classic cars are preserved and maintained, with big race heritage demanding many millions.
So why is there just one flying example of the Lancaster bomber left, and indeed the many other aircraft that served during arguably our greatest historical achievement. I know the air museum and bob memorial try their best but why are they not preserved and kept in working order for generations to come. After all, films and books are great, but there is nothing like seeing it and hearing it in the flesh.
The Lancaster survived better because quite a few were kept in service right until the end of the 1950s. Indeed, the French Navy and the Canadian Air Force retired their last Lancasters in 1962 - which was late enough, just, to ensure a couple remained airworthy.
Eric Mc said:
My model of a captured night fighter Messerschmitt Bf110.
The Luftwaffe used many other types of nightfighters - such as the Junkers Ju88, the Dornier Do217 and the Heinkel He219
I haven't made a model plane kit for years. Your pictures and last nights programme have got me thinking I'd like to have another go.The Luftwaffe used many other types of nightfighters - such as the Junkers Ju88, the Dornier Do217 and the Heinkel He219
There is a Scale Models forum on PH. It might be worthwhile for you to have a look there at the various models that PHers have made over the last couple of years.
The 110 kit is from Italeri with home made decals. It was built for an exhibition of captured German aircraft that is still on display at the FAST Museum here in Farnborough. An exhibition of REAL captured German aircraft was put on at Farnborough in November 1945 and the models were built to commemorate the 65th aniversary of the original display. The markings on the models are as authentic as could be possibly gleaned from period photographs of the original event.
The 110 kit is from Italeri with home made decals. It was built for an exhibition of captured German aircraft that is still on display at the FAST Museum here in Farnborough. An exhibition of REAL captured German aircraft was put on at Farnborough in November 1945 and the models were built to commemorate the 65th aniversary of the original display. The markings on the models are as authentic as could be possibly gleaned from period photographs of the original event.
pacman1 said:
Why oh why do film makers impose so much 'stirring music' on an audience. Tossers.
Ah yes, and the bit where the DC3 took off - but instead of filming it, the cameraman decided to point film Ewan McGregor grinning behind sunglasses...It was a good watchable programme but did come across slightly as 'The MacGregors go for a Jolly'.
Back in the summer, I was in the office just down the road from WW airfield when the Dakota flew over really really low. I rushed outside to see what it was, made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. It looked & sounded fantastic.
Edited by Smiler. on Tuesday 7th February 06:52
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