Biggest plot holes

[Moonhawk]

vxr8mate said:

Warp 10 in Star Trek.

In the Trek universe it's meant to be the unattainable speed, but they often went beyond it and even claimed other races were able to travel faster using 'warp conduits!'

I think they explained that by the fact that "warp factor" as a unit has been redefined over the course of the multiple series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive

[longshot]

FourWheelDrift said:

spitfire-ian said:

Wasn't it pointed out in a Big Bang Theory episode that in Raiders of the Lost Ark the outcome of the film would have been the same even if Indiana Jones had not existed?

Up until the point when they open the Ark what he did had no real bearing on what happens. Then the spirits escape, Nazi's die, Ark closes and Indiana's ropes turn to dust, he would have to be there as the survivor to contact the US forces to retrieve the Ark. If he didn't exist ze Germans would recover it.

but by then it was just an empty box with no powers.

[droopsnoot]

Morningside said:

Why does no one seem to recognise him {James Bond}? Here is this world wide assassin that has to announce his name every bloody time.

Apart from hotel and bar owners, that is. Die Another Day being a case in point, JB is in wet pyjamas and sporting a large beard, yet is still known well enough to get a room without any visible means of payment or ID.

Edited by droopsnoot on Tuesday 13th December 11:03

[Moonhawk]

longshot said:

but by then it was just an empty box with no powers.

The powers went back into the box at the end (at least that's what it looks like) - presumably that's why it's locked up never to be seen again.

[Halmyre]

FourWheelDrift said:

spitfire-ian said:

Wasn't it pointed out in a Big Bang Theory episode that in Raiders of the Lost Ark the outcome of the film would have been the same even if Indiana Jones had not existed?

Up until the point when they open the Ark what he did had no real bearing on what happens. Then the spirits escape, Nazi's die, Ark closes and Indiana's ropes turn to dust, he would have to be there as the survivor to contact the US forces to retrieve the Ark. If he didn't exist ze Germans would recover it.

And every time they try to use it, it zaps even more of them. So Indy's meddling actually prolongs WW2. Unless just the threat of the Nazis having the thing is a weapon in itself.

[Antony Moxey]

spitfire-ian said:

Wasn't it pointed out in a Big Bang Theory episode that in Raiders of the Lost Ark the outcome of the film would have been the same even if Indiana Jones had not existed?

The Nazis would never have found the Ark because they had the staff height wrong according to Marion's amulet. With the correct height staff in the map room Indy discovers the correct location of the well of souls where the Ark is buried. If Indiana Jones hadn't found the Ark the Nazis never would as they were digging too far away so I don't think the outcome would have been the same had Jones not existed.

[Halmyre]

Antony Moxey said:

spitfire-ian said:

Wasn't it pointed out in a Big Bang Theory episode that in Raiders of the Lost Ark the outcome of the film would have been the same even if Indiana Jones had not existed?

The Nazis would never have found the Ark because they had the staff height wrong according to Marion's amulet. With the correct height staff in the map room Indy discovers the correct location of the well of souls where the Ark is buried. If Indiana Jones hadn't found the Ark the Nazis never would as they were digging too far away so I don't think the outcome would have been the same had Jones not existed.

But in either case the Ark is locked away out of harm's reach.

[Zoobeef]

Antony Moxey said:

The Nazis would never have found the Ark because they had the staff height wrong according to Marion's amulet. With the correct height staff in the map room Indy discovers the correct location of the well of souls where the Ark is buried. If Indiana Jones hadn't found the Ark the Nazis never would as they were digging too far away so I don't think the outcome would have been the same had Jones not existed.

If Jones haddnt existed they would have gotten the whole amulet.

[Moonhawk]

Antony Moxey said:

The Nazis would never have found the Ark because they had the staff height wrong according to Marion's amulet. With the correct height staff in the map room Indy discovers the correct location of the well of souls where the Ark is buried. If Indiana Jones hadn't found the Ark the Nazis never would as they were digging too far away so I don't think the outcome would have been the same had Jones not existed.

They would have eventually - with the resources they were throwing at it, it's discovery was a certainty even if it meant digging up the entire city.

It was a race against time for Indy - the Nazis having the wrong staff height only slowed them down.

And as the poster above says - the Nazis new Marion had the amulet. The only reason they never got hold of it in Nepal was because Indy intervened. Hell - had Indy not been there - she would have still had it round her neck when the Nazis turned up - she only placed it on the table (thus leading to the burnt hand) after her conversation with Indy.

Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 13th December 19:56

[Antony Moxey]

Perhaps if he hadn't intervened she'd have locked up on time and gone before they got there. Perhaps that small time gap would have been enough for her to discover they were looking for her and to make her escape.

And even if they expanded their dig site, according to IMDb the Well of Souls was over a mile from their dig site, the war might well have been over by the time they'd got that far (I assume if they didn't know where it was they'd have to expand the dig site in all directions, not just directly towards its actual location).

Ifs and buts admittedly, but I don't think it's fair to say it'd have been the same outcome if Indy hadn't existed with any degree of certainty.

[Tango13]

Halmyre said:

Morningside said:

Bond. Just shoot him.

Bond films don't have plot holes, they've got giant plot crevasses with huge fecking bells on them. A lot of them are down to sloppy editing or script rewrites and omitted scenes (Diamonds Are Forever being one of the worst offenders in all categories).

Diamonds Are Forever is on ITV4 now, just noticed another plot hole, the yellow Triumph Stag making it all the way to Holland without overheating...

[Morningside]

Tango13 said:

Halmyre said:

Morningside said:

Bond. Just shoot him.

Bond films don't have plot holes, they've got giant plot crevasses with huge fecking bells on them. A lot of them are down to sloppy editing or script rewrites and omitted scenes (Diamonds Are Forever being one of the worst offenders in all categories).

Diamonds Are Forever is on ITV4 now, just noticed another plot hole, the yellow Triumph Stag making it all the way to Holland without overheating...

Unless it had the Rover engine replacement.


Talking about bond - How the hell does anyone manage to keep secret a massive multi billion dollar underground installation. All the way from planners to constructors someone would have talked.

Plus with all the money that was required to do all that you would not need any more money would you?

[MitchT]

In Spectre, quite early on, Bond meets a women whose life seems to be in danger. You get the feeling she'll be integral to the plot but then she doesn't appear again.

[Halmyre]

Tango13 said:

Halmyre said:

Morningside said:

Bond. Just shoot him.

Bond films don't have plot holes, they've got giant plot crevasses with huge fecking bells on them. A lot of them are down to sloppy editing or script rewrites and omitted scenes (Diamonds Are Forever being one of the worst offenders in all categories).

Diamonds Are Forever is on ITV4 now, just noticed another plot hole, the yellow Triumph Stag making it all the way to Holland without overheating...

That's because it has a four-cylinder instead of the V8 engine (allegedly, according to the overdubbed engine note).

[williamp]

Antony Moxey said:

Perhaps if he hadn't intervened she'd have locked up on time and gone before they got there. Perhaps that small time gap would have been enough for her to discover they were looking for her and to make her escape.

And even if they expanded their dig site, according to IMDb the Well of Souls was over a mile from their dig site, the war might well have been over by the time they'd got that far (I assume if they didn't know where it was they'd have to expand the dig site in all directions, not just directly towards its actual location).

Ifs and buts admittedly, but I don't think it's fair to say it'd have been the same outcome if Indy hadn't existed with any degree of certainty.

why didn't anyone think "where are all these snakes coming from?" and spotted the man made brick structure with the loose stone which was obviously something underground, and pop over to have a look? It would have been easier then opening the lid.

And how did the ark get onboard the submarine? They have tiny entrances...

[hedgefinder]

ok... I give you pretty much all of the star wars movies...

Would Stormtroopers wear white armour on anything but a frozen ice world/planet ??
I mean seriously White armour on a Forest planet (Endor) its just ridiculous.... even more ridiculous than cuddle teddy bears with spears.

[Jackarmy100]

Antony Moxey said:

Perhaps if he hadn't intervened she'd have locked up on time and gone before they got there. Perhaps that small time gap would have been enough for her to discover they were looking for her and to make her escape.

And even if they expanded their dig site, according to IMDb the Well of Souls was over a mile from their dig site, the war might well have been over by the time they'd got that far (I assume if they didn't know where it was they'd have to expand the dig site in all directions, not just directly towards its actual location).

Ifs and buts admittedly, but I don't think it's fair to say it'd have been the same outcome if Indy hadn't existed with any degree of certainty.

Whilst their staff was the wrong size, it would have given them an idea of the position of the ark as they knew the sun light beam would only travel in a relatively straight line on the model of the city. Would have cut down on the excavation required would it not?

[The Hypno-Toad]

Mansells Tash said:

Matrix - The whole premise is that they use the electricity generated by humans to power themselves. The problem is you have to feed humans, and in doing so you will lose energy in that process in the generation of the food and feeding them, if they just put their energy into converting the fuel for humans into fuel for them they'd have a more efficient way of generating power by removing a step in the process.

I can do better than that. If the machines need the humans for some form of power source because everything is polluted and fossil fuels have run out, how about when Neo & Trinty fly above the clouds so she can see the sun? Why don't the machines build massive towers with solar panels on them which rise above the clouds? Or build one of those giant fk off space mirrors which the Nazis were planning to beam heat from the sun onto a single point like those power stations in America and Spain?

The plot of the Matrixs make no sense at all. Their whole purpose was to look cool. Which they did very, very well.

[marcosgt]

RizzoTheRat said:

Independence day - Alien computer systems are perfectly compatible with Mac OS

Well, duhhhh, obviously... They are a superior intelligence....

How do you know Aliens didn't GIVE us Apple Technology? eh?

M.

[Moonhawk]

Antony Moxey said:

Perhaps if he hadn't intervened she'd have locked up on time and gone before they got there. Perhaps that small time gap would have been enough for her to discover they were looking for her and to make her escape.

But the Nazis were clearly watching the bar and waited for Indy to leave before confronting her as evidenced by the line:

"The same thing your friend Dr. Jones wanted. Surely he told you there would be other interested parties."

Had she attempted to leave the bar immediately upon closing - they would have simply grabbed her outside.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 14th December 15:13