Bond - Quantum of Solace - parts were unwatchable!
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sparks_E39 said:
The car chase was excellent, the best one in a Bond film IMO, the Opera scene was very well done too. I think its a good film, but I don't know if its a good Bond film... seemed quite lacking plot wise. I thought Casino Royale was excellent.
As a Bond film I thought it was poor.It lacked all the classic Bond film ingredients
The plot was poor.
There were no gadgets
There was no memorable theme tune
The car chase was poor.
There was no charismatic villain
There wasn't enough totty.
The thing that annoyed me was what it could have been. We got an overly stylised and arrogant Bourne copy, fuelled presumably by the producers being buoyed by the success of Casino Royale. It could have still had action and humour whilst staying gritty and true to the Bond character of the novels. You can have a punchy film without resorting to cinematic techniques best left to the videos on MTV.
Ecurie Ecosse said:
I thought it was fantastic. Stand outs for me were the foot race that was shown alongside the horse race, and the gun fight shot against the opera - very evocative.
My thoughts as well. It didn't have the wow factor of Casino Royale but was still a very enjoyable film. I didn't have any problems with the editing eitherDick Dastardly said:
Emeye said:
Dick Dastardly said:
GKP said:
Broccoli has asked Danny Boyle (Slumdog) to direct the next one. link
Dear god, we're going from OTT fast cutting to OTT slow motion. I can't stand Danny Boyle's directing, it's so boring. They need to stump up the cash and get someone who knows how to direct action scenes properly, like Michael Mann (not that he'd ever do it).
- like Manhunter. Way better than the remade Red Dragon version
Dick Dastardly said:
Emeye said:
Dick Dastardly said:
GKP said:
Broccoli has asked Danny Boyle (Slumdog) to direct the next one. link
Dear god, we're going from OTT fast cutting to OTT slow motion. I can't stand Danny Boyle's directing, it's so boring. They need to stump up the cash and get someone who knows how to direct action scenes properly, like Michael Mann (not that he'd ever do it).
Edited by Emeye on Sunday 29th March 13:29
Agree with ATG so I'm going to review both back to back over the weekend.
I tried half an hour of it and did something I rarely do with any film - switched it off.
It may have something to do with a pathological contempt for the reprisal of the quasi-Rimmington, hyper smugness protrayed by Dench (an actress who invariably bores me rigid) and it's painfully forced representation of the whole PC business from which the entire Bond world should be fantastically free or maybe it's the 'realistic' take on the Flemming characterisation since Brosnan, ratcheted up by Danny Craig (who I adore as a thesp, btw) with it's persistent presentation of the unfliching stoic: I grew up with Rodger's eyebrows, so...
If I want my super agents devoid of warmth or wit, we now have Bourne and his automatic brand of lethal shenanigan.
Great shame since the Blu-ray treatment had me open mouthed at times but yes, the camera work was just tw@ttish and the story - completely unfathomable.
As a hopeless refusnik to the seemingly unstoppable tide of technology for technology's sake manifest in 'the comms market' per se {Blackberrys, Bluberrys, iPhones et f@cking al
} I found additional material for my billowing ire as Modern Bond & Co proceeded to infest what felt like every scene with what were presumably cutting edge, near future gimmicks which seemed as nothing but dumb substitutes for the lack of engagement in the script or film at large.
Bond has gadgets, not gimmicks so give him an iPhone that chops someone's head off, rather than being little more than a feeble product placement for the next generation of all too willing subscribtion saps who have replaced human interface with soulless 'contract worship,' innit?
By the gathering of the criminal illuminati during what (iirc) was some post modern rendition of Tosca, the pretension guage was clanging off the red and my bile was frothing...
I spent 20 minutes calming down with the opening scenes from The Godfather and wondered what had gone so wrong in certain filmaking domains?
So on my desk now is the Blu-ray of Casino Royale which had nowhere near this angering effect on me and I shall try to remain objective as said back-to-back is done.
It's bloody Wilson!
I tried half an hour of it and did something I rarely do with any film - switched it off.
It may have something to do with a pathological contempt for the reprisal of the quasi-Rimmington, hyper smugness protrayed by Dench (an actress who invariably bores me rigid) and it's painfully forced representation of the whole PC business from which the entire Bond world should be fantastically free or maybe it's the 'realistic' take on the Flemming characterisation since Brosnan, ratcheted up by Danny Craig (who I adore as a thesp, btw) with it's persistent presentation of the unfliching stoic: I grew up with Rodger's eyebrows, so...
If I want my super agents devoid of warmth or wit, we now have Bourne and his automatic brand of lethal shenanigan.
Great shame since the Blu-ray treatment had me open mouthed at times but yes, the camera work was just tw@ttish and the story - completely unfathomable.
As a hopeless refusnik to the seemingly unstoppable tide of technology for technology's sake manifest in 'the comms market' per se {Blackberrys, Bluberrys, iPhones et f@cking al
} I found additional material for my billowing ire as Modern Bond & Co proceeded to infest what felt like every scene with what were presumably cutting edge, near future gimmicks which seemed as nothing but dumb substitutes for the lack of engagement in the script or film at large.Bond has gadgets, not gimmicks so give him an iPhone that chops someone's head off, rather than being little more than a feeble product placement for the next generation of all too willing subscribtion saps who have replaced human interface with soulless 'contract worship,' innit?
By the gathering of the criminal illuminati during what (iirc) was some post modern rendition of Tosca, the pretension guage was clanging off the red and my bile was frothing...
I spent 20 minutes calming down with the opening scenes from The Godfather and wondered what had gone so wrong in certain filmaking domains?
So on my desk now is the Blu-ray of Casino Royale which had nowhere near this angering effect on me and I shall try to remain objective as said back-to-back is done.
It's bloody Wilson!
Oddly enough I've fallen asleep twice now trying watch it, I never seen gemma arterton, accept when I've woken up to see her, I presume, covered in oil.
Craig is the best bond (since Connery, maybe best period.) car chase okay, I like his bourne again bond, although they are in danger of trying to out bourne bourne which would be a mistake, and why the actions scenes wobbly camera, fast cutting, and particularly being too close up all the time, made them difficult to watch.
It's not as bad as I thought, but there is definitely something lacking in the narrative/script, it's very much a second unit film ( they typically do most of action sequences) this maybe because the hollywood writers strike was ongoing as this went into production, so the sharp dialogue of casino was lost, and story lacking.
There is also something odd about craig face, like too much tan, make up, and the action kicks off and stuff is exploding he screws his face up and looks like he's either straining to s
t or perhaps he's farted and he's just realized it's lumpy...
As to next director, I always fancied tarantino, but he only makes st films now, hasn't done decent one since Jackie brown. As Boyle, he's a versatile director, and if you action he'll do you action. He'll need a good script.
Craig is the best bond (since Connery, maybe best period.) car chase okay, I like his bourne again bond, although they are in danger of trying to out bourne bourne which would be a mistake, and why the actions scenes wobbly camera, fast cutting, and particularly being too close up all the time, made them difficult to watch.
It's not as bad as I thought, but there is definitely something lacking in the narrative/script, it's very much a second unit film ( they typically do most of action sequences) this maybe because the hollywood writers strike was ongoing as this went into production, so the sharp dialogue of casino was lost, and story lacking.
There is also something odd about craig face, like too much tan, make up, and the action kicks off and stuff is exploding he screws his face up and looks like he's either straining to s
t or perhaps he's farted and he's just realized it's lumpy...As to next director, I always fancied tarantino, but he only makes s
t films now, hasn't done decent one since Jackie brown. As Boyle, he's a versatile director, and if you action he'll do you action. He'll need a good script.Edited by Northern Munkee on Saturday 28th March 18:46
Edited by Northern Munkee on Saturday 28th March 18:48
I've just watched it this evening. I thought it was ok - some good action and some good set pieces. Story was a bit incoherent though.
To me, it felt like part two of a three part story.
Still, at 1hr 37min it was certainly short and a perfectly acceptable way to spend some viewing time.
To me, it felt like part two of a three part story.
Still, at 1hr 37min it was certainly short and a perfectly acceptable way to spend some viewing time.
Bacardi said:
Just tried watching QoS, switched it off about halfway through. Compared to Casino Royale, truly dreadful! 
Cutting every action sequence waaaay to tight and excessive use of unbelievable CGI, does not a good JB film make.
Any chance of a coherent plot in the next one?
Are you sure that you weren't watching "Question of Sport" by mistake?Cutting every action sequence waaaay to tight and excessive use of unbelievable CGI, does not a good JB film make.
Any chance of a coherent plot in the next one?
Solace is a very poor film though, I agree.
Well, a second sitting (this time complete) in as many days and I'm pleased to report a significant about face - I must have been uncommonly hacked off - probably read a piece on Cherie Bliar or something.
However, Casino Royale (which I also reviewed yesterday) is massively superior ito script and story and I fully agree re the sense of QoS feeling very much like a forced, staid second movement in a trilogy.
Still think J Dench is astronomically poor: seriously, Mr T would be more convincing as M. M in a dress, I mean.
I'm a very big fan of Mr White, however. (Unlike the title song.)
However, Casino Royale (which I also reviewed yesterday) is massively superior ito script and story and I fully agree re the sense of QoS feeling very much like a forced, staid second movement in a trilogy.
Still think J Dench is astronomically poor: seriously, Mr T would be more convincing as M. M in a dress, I mean.
I'm a very big fan of Mr White, however. (Unlike the title song.)
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