BBC Top Gear Thread 2021/2022
Discussion
C70R said:
A Brit winning is worth celebrating, but it was hardly the 'legendary' season that TG tried to turn that segment into.
I never really cared about the nationality of the drivers, and I always regard McRae as Scottish rather than British anyway. It was the manner in which he won that season that really caught the imagination, especially as he subverted the often rather tedious mores of motorsport like team orders (yawn). It was McRae's sheer lack of pragmaticism that made him such a star, and he was massive in the 90's and 00's. I must admit I admire the courage of his co-drivers in the face of someone who would rather crash spectacularly than finish as a runner up.warch said:
C70R said:
A Brit winning is worth celebrating, but it was hardly the 'legendary' season that TG tried to turn that segment into.
I never really cared about the nationality of the drivers, and I always regard McRae as Scottish rather than British anyway. It was the manner in which he won that season that really caught the imagination, especially as he subverted the often rather tedious mores of motorsport like team orders (yawn). It was McRae's sheer lack of pragmaticism that made him such a star, and he was massive in the 90's and 00's. I must admit I admire the courage of his co-drivers in the face of someone who would rather crash spectacularly than finish as a runner up.Even though I was a McRae fan, that's nothing to be admired.
C70R said:
The bolded bit just makes him sound like a bit of a d*ck, to be honest. His employer asked him to do something to ensure they made a load of money (the Constructors champ, like F1, is where the money is), and he decided that his ego was more important.
Even though I was a McRae fan, that's nothing to be admired.
Yes, it is. Because rallying, F1, football, etc are all entertainments and when it becomes a corporate bore fest ultimately the "sport" is diminished. Even though I was a McRae fan, that's nothing to be admired.
Rumblestripe said:
Yes, it is. Because rallying, F1, football, etc are all entertainments and when it becomes a corporate bore fest ultimately the "sport" is diminished.
This. I don't want to see a driver pulled up to hand a victory to a slower driver. No one really gives a toss about the Constructors Championship anyway, it's the Driver's Championship everyone is concerned with. You're both doing that "in an ideal world" thing, when the "ideal world" does not and cannot exist.
How would the team be paying Colin's salary, and that of the mechanics prepping his car? Things like the Constructors' Championship bonus make a big difference to their ability to do that.
McRae's ego got in the way, and he decided he would rather speed dangerously through his mechanics who were standing in the road trying to get him to slow down than to listen to his employer.
It was a dick move by a very talented driver.
How would the team be paying Colin's salary, and that of the mechanics prepping his car? Things like the Constructors' Championship bonus make a big difference to their ability to do that.
McRae's ego got in the way, and he decided he would rather speed dangerously through his mechanics who were standing in the road trying to get him to slow down than to listen to his employer.
It was a dick move by a very talented driver.
Rumblestripe said:
No, you're guilty of swallowing the corporate line. Ultimately if people stop watching, stop spending on the merch, etc.then all the money that pays for the drivers, the mechanics, the caterers, the team managers will disappear and with it the sport.
It was half of one rally. To make sure that they got a massive cash bonus to pay their mechanics and driver with. That's it.You're making it sound like he was asked to drive around in first gear for the whole season. Don't be so melodramatic.
Watching him drive full-throttle towards his own colleagues ( here) rather than listen to his employer tells you everything you need to know about how out of control his ego was.
He was a fabulously talented driver, but that was a particular low-point.
Rumblestripe said:
No, you're guilty of swallowing the corporate line. Ultimately if people stop watching, stop spending on the merch, etc.then all the money that pays for the drivers, the mechanics, the caterers, the team managers will disappear and with it the sport.
Why hire a driver who's happy to settle for 2nd best?
Rumblestripe said:
No, you're guilty of swallowing the corporate line. Ultimately if people stop watching, stop spending on the merch, etc.then all the money that pays for the drivers, the mechanics, the caterers, the team managers will disappear and with it the sport.
None of that pays the bills....The people that bought the fags paid the bills not the anoraks and bobble hatted oiks standing in a forest with their team jackets.
Get real.
aeropilot said:
Rumblestripe said:
No, you're guilty of swallowing the corporate line. Ultimately if people stop watching, stop spending on the merch, etc.then all the money that pays for the drivers, the mechanics, the caterers, the team managers will disappear and with it the sport.
None of that pays the bills....The people that bought the fags paid the bills not the anoraks and bobble hatted oiks standing in a forest with their team jackets.
Get real.
Honestly. The fact that grown men still harbour romanticised, teenage ideals about sport is a real worry.
I wonder if they still think that wrestling is real?
aeropilot said:
Rumblestripe said:
No, you're guilty of swallowing the corporate line. Ultimately if people stop watching, stop spending on the merch, etc.then all the money that pays for the drivers, the mechanics, the caterers, the team managers will disappear and with it the sport.
None of that pays the bills....The people that bought the fags paid the bills not the anoraks and bobble hatted oiks standing in a forest with their team jackets.
Get real.
aeropilot said:
The people that bought the fags paid the bills not the anoraks and bobble hatted oiks standing in a forest with their team jackets.
I bet the fag manufacturers were gutted with all the adverse publicity from McRae's refusal to follow team orders. Rallying was massive in the 90s though, largely as a result of exciting drivers like McRae and Sainz and Makkinen, shame the whole thing died a death really.
The corporate money is only there to get punters buying their products. If what the corporate money is sponsoring is stale then the global TV audience dries up and punters lose interest, the corporate products don’t get the airing hoped for, sales drop, corporates pull out and so the downward spiral continues.
Sport (any sport) needs characters such as McRae as much - maybe more - as it needs the corporate dollar. McRae would make rallying exciting in a 25 year old diesel Focus, Ford’s billions won’t.
Sport (any sport) needs characters such as McRae as much - maybe more - as it needs the corporate dollar. McRae would make rallying exciting in a 25 year old diesel Focus, Ford’s billions won’t.
Zetec-S said:
aeropilot said:
Rumblestripe said:
No, you're guilty of swallowing the corporate line. Ultimately if people stop watching, stop spending on the merch, etc.then all the money that pays for the drivers, the mechanics, the caterers, the team managers will disappear and with it the sport.
None of that pays the bills....The people that bought the fags paid the bills not the anoraks and bobble hatted oiks standing in a forest with their team jackets.
Get real.
Don Veloci said:
Hmm, the stars certainly aligned that Sainz got injured but Toyota were outright cheating so they can 
off!
Having seen him live in the forests in a 6R4, MK2 Escort, and Fabia WRC, he was special. But I think his flat out style generally doesn't lend itself to putting together a championship campaign. He seemed to generally nail it in 1995 though rather than that little percentage too far too often.
He came very close to nailing it again in 2001 for Ford, the year that Richard Burns won it. off!Having seen him live in the forests in a 6R4, MK2 Escort, and Fabia WRC, he was special. But I think his flat out style generally doesn't lend itself to putting together a championship campaign. He seemed to generally nail it in 1995 though rather than that little percentage too far too often.
mikeswagon said:
Don Veloci said:
Hmm, the stars certainly aligned that Sainz got injured but Toyota were outright cheating so they can off!
Having seen him live in the forests in a 6R4, MK2 Escort, and Fabia WRC, he was special. But I think his flat out style generally doesn't lend itself to putting together a championship campaign. He seemed to generally nail it in 1995 though rather than that little percentage too far too often.
He came very close to nailing it again in 2001 for Ford, the year that Richard Burns won it. off!Having seen him live in the forests in a 6R4, MK2 Escort, and Fabia WRC, he was special. But I think his flat out style generally doesn't lend itself to putting together a championship campaign. He seemed to generally nail it in 1995 though rather than that little percentage too far too often.
Bonefish Blues said:
mikeswagon said:
Don Veloci said:
Hmm, the stars certainly aligned that Sainz got injured but Toyota were outright cheating so they can off!
Having seen him live in the forests in a 6R4, MK2 Escort, and Fabia WRC, he was special. But I think his flat out style generally doesn't lend itself to putting together a championship campaign. He seemed to generally nail it in 1995 though rather than that little percentage too far too often.
He came very close to nailing it again in 2001 for Ford, the year that Richard Burns won it. off!Having seen him live in the forests in a 6R4, MK2 Escort, and Fabia WRC, he was special. But I think his flat out style generally doesn't lend itself to putting together a championship campaign. He seemed to generally nail it in 1995 though rather than that little percentage too far too often.
Leading the championship, leading the rally. Grist claimed they misjudged a corner by a few inches. To CM's credit he was embarrassed and apologised, but unnecessary. No restraint. Few inches, judge for yourself.https://youtu.be/vD4Xn4FgmqU
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