24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
fourstardan said:
Pretty back to normal episode with just deserves.
The guy clearly was a head case and I'm sure the beloved CPS will review his location and put him in an open prison within 12 months if he's not brown bread already.
The CPS have nothing to do with the location of prisoners but canny effort at being outraged The guy clearly was a head case and I'm sure the beloved CPS will review his location and put him in an open prison within 12 months if he's not brown bread already.
Greendubber said:
It's not always the best idea.
Answering police questions is a bad idea, so no inference can be drawn from your silence you say no comment and don't indulge the police fishing expedition, then with your brief you sit and form a written statement that deals with the allegations, the only issue with silence is if you bring up and court something that you never mentioned at the questioning stage.Trust me it works; police don't like it but from personal experience if you hold your nerve I have been arrested for (false allegations) been treated like a criminal did even want a solicitor but a duty was called, I sat no comment through the interview and formed a written statement and was bailed that night!
mick987 said:
edgyedgy said:
His eyes widened a tad upon learning there’s no room on the protection wing so he’ll be in genpop if he gets remanded.
Yes he did not like that, up to that point it was all a bit of a joke to him.The police came off a bit better in last night's episode. The state of the law in this country though.
Clearly a serial groomer, paedophile, rapist, risk to young girls everywhere, and 14 years is the EXTENDED sentence... Out in 9. Hopefully our over stretched prison service will sort him out...
You do have to wonder about the mother of his girlfriend though...
Clearly a serial groomer, paedophile, rapist, risk to young girls everywhere, and 14 years is the EXTENDED sentence... Out in 9. Hopefully our over stretched prison service will sort him out...
You do have to wonder about the mother of his girlfriend though...
surveyor_101 said:
Greendubber said:
It's not always the best idea.
Answering police questions is a bad idea, so no inference can be drawn from your silence you say no comment and don't indulge the police fishing expedition, then with your brief you sit and form a written statement that deals with the allegations, the only issue with silence is if you bring up and court something that you never mentioned at the questioning stage.Trust me it works; police don't like it but from personal experience if you hold your nerve I have been arrested for (false allegations) been treated like a criminal did even want a solicitor but a duty was called, I sat no comment through the interview and formed a written statement and was bailed that night!
Greendubber said:
surveyor_101 said:
Greendubber said:
It's not always the best idea.
Answering police questions is a bad idea, so no inference can be drawn from your silence you say no comment and don't indulge the police fishing expedition, then with your brief you sit and form a written statement that deals with the allegations, the only issue with silence is if you bring up and court something that you never mentioned at the questioning stage.Trust me it works; police don't like it but from personal experience if you hold your nerve I have been arrested for (false allegations) been treated like a criminal did even want a solicitor but a duty was called, I sat no comment through the interview and formed a written statement and was bailed that night!
Sorry to say, as my kids grow older they will be advised to do exactly that if ever they have the unfortunate experience of a police interview or even a “friendly” interaction.
DoubleSix said:
Greendubber said:
surveyor_101 said:
Greendubber said:
It's not always the best idea.
Answering police questions is a bad idea, so no inference can be drawn from your silence you say no comment and don't indulge the police fishing expedition, then with your brief you sit and form a written statement that deals with the allegations, the only issue with silence is if you bring up and court something that you never mentioned at the questioning stage.Trust me it works; police don't like it but from personal experience if you hold your nerve I have been arrested for (false allegations) been treated like a criminal did even want a solicitor but a duty was called, I sat no comment through the interview and formed a written statement and was bailed that night!
Sorry to say, as my kids grow older they will be advised to do exactly that if ever they have the unfortunate experience of a police interview or even a “friendly” interaction.
mick987 said:
edgyedgy said:
His eyes widened a tad upon learning there’s no room on the protection wing so he’ll be in genpop if he gets remanded.
Yes he did not like that, up to that point it was all a bit of a joke to him.Greendubber said:
My advice would be to seek legal advice from appropriate people with relevant qualifications, not self appointed experts on PH.
As has been stated the quality of duty solicitors is varied and with the chap with the burglar crash he said too much at the roadside but also the clips I saw of the duty didn't show any objection more note taking.I have been the other side of the table and duty brief has allowed the detainee to talk at will!
I was lucky when my time in the hot seat came the duty, I had was a very stern lay who took no nonsense!
One of the police questions that stuck in my mind was why someone would make such a false allegation against me; I mean how I am supposed to answer such a question! Some questions are deliberately open and ambiguous to see what they can get you to say.
The story didn't match the physical evidence (or lack thereof) and within about 5 days the allegation didn't stack up vs evidence and they withdrew it when challenged by police with their findings.
Didn't stop the police treating in a very poor and degrading manor including being stripped naked etc with 5 officers in my holding cell and i was told if I didn't, they would remove my clothes for me!
Whilst in custody for around 6 hours I met 6 officers 4 of which had already decided I was guilty!
Some officers will assume guilt and treat you like a criminal, arresting officers were ok, the duty sgt was a top bloke but some of officers who dealt with me in custody had already decided i was a monster! Baring in mind I was serving officer at the time of the allegation and was taken to the neighbouring police force to be dealt with!
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 6th December 12:16
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 6th December 12:19
forsure said:
mick987 said:
edgyedgy said:
His eyes widened a tad upon learning there’s no room on the protection wing so he’ll be in genpop if he gets remanded.
Yes he did not like that, up to that point it was all a bit of a joke to him.surveyor_101 said:
One of the police questions that stuck in my mind was why someone would make such a false allegation against me; I mean how I am supposed to answer such a question! Some questions are deliberately open and ambiguous to see what they can get you to say.
or 'get' you not to say and allow a later adverse inference.As a police officer and anyway having been cautioned I am very surprised by your take on that.
Freakuk said:
forsure said:
mick987 said:
edgyedgy said:
His eyes widened a tad upon learning there’s no room on the protection wing so he’ll be in genpop if he gets remanded.
Yes he did not like that, up to that point it was all a bit of a joke to him.Edited by mick987 on Tuesday 6th December 13:02
pork911 said:
or 'get' you not to say and allow a later adverse inference.
As a police officer and anyway having been cautioned I am very surprised by your take on that.
Wasn’t just me the brief prepped me for the question and told me not to answer as it wasn’t for me to hypothetically come up with reasoning for someone else’s irrational behaviour.As a police officer and anyway having been cautioned I am very surprised by your take on that.
surveyor_101 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
What is the process for deciding whether a sentence should be suspended? I always thought it was for cases where the offence justifies imprisonment but it isn't required/deserved for the particular offender. EG One off offence unlikely to be repeated. It's beginning to look like the other way round.
Adam is very unlikely to offend again or pose a risk to the public it was a one off, with maybe some brake failure which was stated and never followed up in the episode, one likes to think a vehicle examiner inspected his car and determined that wasn't the case as would have been a key defence for adam.The lads clearly are an ongoing risk to the public but they got a boo boo so they get off scott free despite going equipped as soon as out of hospital.
Adam over stepped but 22 months for that mistake was mad! If his name was Katey Price he would have got at least 4 suspended sentences, a disable loved one is like money in the bank when at court as i heard of many person getting off scott free.
Really felt sorry for the guy. Total s
t situation all round.surveyor_101 said:
As has been stated the quality of duty solicitors is varied and with the chap with the burglar crash he said too much at the roadside but also the clips I saw of the duty didn't show any objection more note taking.
I have been the other side of the table and duty brief has allowed the detainee to talk at will!
I was lucky when my time in the hot seat came the duty, I had was a very stern lay who took no nonsense!
One of the police questions that stuck in my mind was why someone would make such a false allegation against me; I mean how I am supposed to answer such a question! Some questions are deliberately open and ambiguous to see what they can get you to say.
The story didn't match the physical evidence (or lack thereof) and within about 5 days the allegation didn't stack up vs evidence and they withdrew it when challenged by police with their findings.
Didn't stop the police treating in a very poor and degrading manor including being stripped naked etc with 5 officers in my holding cell and i was told if I didn't, they would remove my clothes for me!
Whilst in custody for around 6 hours I met 6 officers 4 of which had already decided I was guilty!
Some officers will assume guilt and treat you like a criminal, arresting officers were ok, the duty sgt was a top bloke but some of officers who dealt with me in custody had already decided i was a monster! Baring in mind I was serving officer at the time of the allegation and was taken to the neighbouring police force to be dealt with!
The irony in your last paragraph... Should they not have just treated you with utter disdain?I have been the other side of the table and duty brief has allowed the detainee to talk at will!
I was lucky when my time in the hot seat came the duty, I had was a very stern lay who took no nonsense!
One of the police questions that stuck in my mind was why someone would make such a false allegation against me; I mean how I am supposed to answer such a question! Some questions are deliberately open and ambiguous to see what they can get you to say.
The story didn't match the physical evidence (or lack thereof) and within about 5 days the allegation didn't stack up vs evidence and they withdrew it when challenged by police with their findings.
Didn't stop the police treating in a very poor and degrading manor including being stripped naked etc with 5 officers in my holding cell and i was told if I didn't, they would remove my clothes for me!
Whilst in custody for around 6 hours I met 6 officers 4 of which had already decided I was guilty!
Some officers will assume guilt and treat you like a criminal, arresting officers were ok, the duty sgt was a top bloke but some of officers who dealt with me in custody had already decided i was a monster! Baring in mind I was serving officer at the time of the allegation and was taken to the neighbouring police force to be dealt with!
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 6th December 12:16
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 6th December 12:19
The duty solicitor is there to advise them of their legal rights.
They cannot stop their client from talking, they can only offer advice.
You having been a police officer would of course know this.
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