Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
Discussion
GravelBen said:
Did you ever consider thinking before you posted?
You're saying that if someone likes the other Star Wars movies but doesn't like TLJ its because they're sexist and racist? Even though the other Star Wars movies have "non-white people and ladies in spaceships" (as you put it) too. I'm not sure if you're a raving moron or if I've been trolled and deserve a whoosh parrot.
You didn't read the whole thread. It was reported in the bbc that critics had responded to the poor audience reception compared to the high critic reception by, in one case, suggesting some of the audience were out of touch with modern concerns and diversity. And some posters supported this view - inferring those who did not like the film could be as accused. As someone of mixed race I found the suggestion a dangerous line to take.You're saying that if someone likes the other Star Wars movies but doesn't like TLJ its because they're sexist and racist? Even though the other Star Wars movies have "non-white people and ladies in spaceships" (as you put it) too. I'm not sure if you're a raving moron or if I've been trolled and deserve a whoosh parrot.
Edited by GravelBen on Friday 22 December 04:59
Im not saying people who like or dislike TLJ are anything. It was the piece in the news and the comments by the critics that I thought were wrong. As someone who did not like the film for many reasons I was pointing out that this line of thinking by some critics was ridiculous.
I was not making an accusation I was responding to it.
I have had a look on You Tube for reviews, and what's interesting is that this film is condemned by all races, creeds and colours, as well as genders! There are quite a few reviews from female perspectives that also do not like it for the exact same reasons that have been explained on here.
A bad film is a bad film.
A bad film is a bad film.
zygalski said:
It's just a bad film that in places looks quite pretty.
And strangely those saying they 'enoyed' it are saying the same thing as above, just putting a positive spin on it......
Robster said:
Am I the only one who really enjoyed it? Yep some 'bad moments' but great effects and it has gone in an unexpected direction 
Damned with feignt praise.People saying they enjoyed it can't say why, and would probably have been happy to watch a load of visual set pieces with no plot anyway (because that is basically what they got).
r11co said:
zygalski said:
It's just a bad film that in places looks quite pretty.
And strangely those saying they 'enoyed' it are saying the same thing as above, just putting a positive spin on it......
Robster said:
Am I the only one who really enjoyed it? Yep some 'bad moments' but great effects and it has gone in an unexpected direction
Damned with feignt praise.People saying they enjoyed it can't say why, and would probably have been happy to watch a load of visual set pieces with no plot anyway (because that is basically what they got).
luke Skywalker , and light sabres all good here Robster said:
I can say why , great effects , enjoyed the story line even if others didn't , millennium falcon luke Skywalker , and light sabres all good here
Quite luke Skywalker , and light sabres all good here Personally I quite like going into the next one knowing that it doesn't need to be the end of a three parter, that maybe just maybe Snoke is a bit-player in the grand scheme of things, and that you don't know quite where the whole thing is going to take you.b
hstewie said:
hstewie said:Robster said:
I can say why , great effects , enjoyed the story line even if others didn't , millennium falcon luke Skywalker , and light sabres all good here
No luke Skywalker , and light sabres all good here Quite
Personally I quite like going into the next one knowing that it doesn't need to be the end of a three parter, that maybe just maybe Snoke is a bit-player in the grand scheme of things, and that you don't know quite where the whole thing is going to take you.I haven't seen it yet, but something someone posted a while back about if Luke faced Kylo he'd have been destroyed.
would he?
emo Ren wasn't that good with a lightsaber last film around, he got his ass handed to him by an untrained girl. Luke has held his own again Vader himself, i'd have thought Ren would have been chopped up pretty quickly in a proper battle with a real Jedi master.
would he?
emo Ren wasn't that good with a lightsaber last film around, he got his ass handed to him by an untrained girl. Luke has held his own again Vader himself, i'd have thought Ren would have been chopped up pretty quickly in a proper battle with a real Jedi master.
Robster said:
Exactly far too many people over thinking it and trying to be clever with their comments , it was a decent sci fi film and starwars rolled into one ! Win win
I do get some of it. I mean I was shocked when they killed Han Solo in TFA, mostly because a But then you think about it a little more and how old is Harrison Ford?
Carrie Fisher is sadly not with us (and I'll be the first to admit I don't get why they didn't let the bridge scene be her way out).
Mark Hamill will be nudging 70 when the next one comes out.
So I'd sooner they take it in a new direction vs. some kind "Oh s
t they're all old or dead so no more Star Wars" way.Kids will lap it up as I'm guessing when they go to watch Star Wars and see a black or Chinese actor their first thought isn't "Oh they're just in it to get the black/Asian market interested".
Robster said:
I can say why , great effects
no-one's arguing with that....Robster said:
enjoyed the story line
What storyline? There was no advancement of the story, just a destruction of the previous narrative. You could have been served the visual effects only and come away happy, but the majority of people want a bit more than that for their money.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: So I'd sooner they take it in a new direction vs. some kind "Oh st they're all old or dead so no more Star Wars" way.
But it hasn't gone in a 'new direction', it instead put the new direction signposted in the last film down the garbage chute, then the director has lied and said that it was unintentional because he wasn't fully aware of the previous 'new direction.t they're all old or dead so no more Star Wars" way.Anyone saying this was a bold move needs to read the interviews Rian Johnson has given in the days since the film's release to understand that what they and the shill critics think is the point of this film (the one that they allege the proper fans and non-partisans who can think for themselves don't get) is bullcrap. Johnson had his own little agenda (I'm in charge now and I'm better than JJ Abrams so I'll demolish what he did.... oops!) and failed to see the bigger picture. The only 'bold moves' here were a writer/director pissing contest - someone with an inferiority complex prepared to burn a movie franchise just to prove that he can.
Edited by r11co on Friday 22 December 10:58
r11co said:
Robster said:
I can say why , great effects
no-one's arguing with that....Robster said:
enjoyed the story line
What storyline? There was no advancement of the story, just a destruction of the previous narrative. You could have been served the visual effects only and come away happy, but the majority of people want a bit more than that for their money.
Robster said:
Hmmm so lukes story was told
Luke's story was untold you mean. The character that we were supposed to believe was Luke Skywalker behaved completely and inexplicably out of character for almost all of the movie for no endRobster said:
reys parents explained
You think that was an explanation? It was a weak cop-out masquerading as social comment....Robster said:
anyone can be a 'jedi'
Yeah, anyone can be a soldier, doctor, rocket scientist. No training required.....
r11co said:
But it hasn't gone in a 'new direction', it instead put the new direction signposted in the last film down the garbage chute, then the director has lied and said that it was unintentional becuase he wasn't fully aware of the previous 'new direction.
What "new direction signposted"?Rey is still in the film and I didn't walk away from TFA with a massive feeling that her parents/background needed to be or even would be central to the plot.
Finn is still in the film and ditto other than I do think he could have played a bigger part.
Luke/Leia well, again not sure what people really expected there that wasn't delivered on?
Snoke, well I don't recall the Emperor having that much of a backstory in the original triology so I don't struggle with Snoke not being the arch protagonist that people expected from TFA.
I'm genuinely struggling to see all these massive things that weren't deliver on if you walked into this clean having just watched TFA like I did having done my best to avoid any spoilers and just wanting to walk into the cinema and appreciate whatever was coming at face value.
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